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« on: April 20, 2014, 04:41:12 PM »

well?
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2014, 05:24:50 PM »

The bibles say yes...
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2014, 05:36:11 PM »

I don't know. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2014, 07:47:10 PM »

The problem with modern/online Orthodoxy is that there are people who will seriously consider this an open question.
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« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 04:29:13 AM »

my thoughts are in fact just thoughts not facts persee.

Long answer:

I think the following:

A. You can either follow Christ, or the satan. Since Christ's crucifixion and the hours leading towards the crucifixion redeems us we can be set free of satans claim in any way. Following Christ makes that possible, not following Christ... well that puts us "under" satans rule. Not a punishment of God direct but a consequence of our choice.

He gave us free will didn't he?

B. God uses everything in his disposal (which is everything there is) to shape us and steer us in the direction He knows is good.
For example: When I would become sick and end up in hospital I could tell the nurse about what Christ did for all of us, or even my being there could be used by God.
Like my grandmother used to say: "It's all in the hands of the Grand Director, follow his lead and it will come out perfect"
Why I love this quote is because her life was, when seen from human perspective, far from perfect, she lost so much and yet she accepted God to place her in the most difficult situations so she could do in that situation whatever God expected from her.

Does God punish His people? I don't know, punishment seems pointless without a goal. Learning a person something would be a great goal, and is, I think, the main difference between the cruel God some people imagine and the God that loves his bride.

Does God punish people that refuse to follow Him? Well, not following Him has great consequence. Now but even more after our life on this earth.

Again and again I come to the point where I have to say: Just trust our Almighty God, His way is perfect. How he does things is IMHO up to Him. In any case when something is done or allowed by God, it is perfect.

Sort answer:

I couldn't care less, trust God, because His plan is more than perfect.
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« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 05:30:42 AM »

Here are some common understandings of punishment (given in definitions found online) that might be relevant...

- to deal with roughly or harshly
- a penalty or sanction given for any crime or offence
- any aversive stimulus administered to an organism as part of training
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« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 10:39:43 AM »

subscribing - because I don't know where this is going?

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« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 11:07:10 AM »

Well, the more humane and spiritual way of putting it would be that God allows the principle of cause and effect in order for people to learn themselves the consequences of their actions. But to say that God actually passionately punishes is not something worthy of God, especially in the 21st century.
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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 11:09:56 AM »

Well, the more humane and spiritual way of putting it would be that God allows the principle of cause and effect in order for people to learn themselves the consequences of their actions. But to say that God actually passionately punishes is not something worthy of God, especially in the 21st century.


This.


Because surely i would have been struck by lightning at least 10 times if God did punish people....... laugh
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« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 11:26:18 AM »

Well, the more humane and spiritual way of putting it would be that God allows the principle of cause and effect in order for people to learn themselves the consequences of their actions. But to say that God actually passionately punishes is not something worthy of God, especially in the 21st century.


This.


Because surely i would have been struck by lightning at least 10 times if God did punish people....... laugh
Come now. Surely you have not done evil in the sight of the Lord to the tune of old Israel's transgressions. It took some real aggregate sinning to get the Assyrians sicced on you, much less individual lightning strikes.
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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 11:54:27 AM »

Well, the more humane and spiritual way of putting it would be that God allows the principle of cause and effect in order for people to learn themselves the consequences of their actions. But to say that God actually passionately punishes is not something worthy of God, especially in the 21st century.


This.


Because surely i would have been struck by lightning at least 10 times if God did punish people....... laugh

I guess you never had that feeling?
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« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 11:57:33 AM »

Yes.
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« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 11:59:47 AM »

Well, the more humane and spiritual way of putting it would be that God allows the principle of cause and effect in order for people to learn themselves the consequences of their actions. But to say that God actually passionately punishes is not something worthy of God, especially in the 21st century.


This.


Because surely i would have been struck by lightning at least 10 times if God did punish people....... laugh
Come now. Surely you have not done evil in the sight of the Lord to the tune of old Israel's transgressions. It took some real aggregate sinning to get the Assyrians sicced on you, much less individual lightning strikes.

Of course...

And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
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« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 12:10:10 PM »

Yes.

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« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 12:20:20 PM »


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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 12:26:25 PM »

Yes and No

God does punish people..However, all things are a gift from God and for our benefit or the benefit of others, not because he cant control himself and flips out.

God is like a wise judge, not an angry scold.
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