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The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« on: October 01, 2018, 01:50:05 AM »
I just finished reading the whole article.

That is just evil.

Graceless sacraments for sure.

Still 1.3 billion strong.

Mass exodus when?


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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2018, 03:13:51 AM »
I just finished reading the whole article.

That is just evil.

Graceless sacraments for sure.

Still 1.3 billion strong.

Mass exodus when?

Donatism where?
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2018, 10:09:03 AM »
I just finished reading the whole article.

That is just evil.

Graceless sacraments for sure.

Still 1.3 billion strong.

Mass exodus when?

Donatism where?

There are limits where donatism ends and demonism begins, what is happening in the papal institution on mass and global scale is something very dark.

It must be obvious to everyone by now that this evil institution which is more vile than sodom and gamora, is not the Body of Christ.


No there are not 1.3bln members but if you count all the priests and add two zeros that will give you somwhat fair estimate.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 10:14:57 AM »
I just finished reading the whole article.

That is just evil.

Graceless sacraments for sure.

Still 1.3 billion strong.

Mass exodus when?

Donatism where?

There are limits where donatism ends and demonism begins, what is happening in the papal institution on mass and global scale is something very dark.

It must be obvious to everyone by now that this evil institution which is more vile than sodom and gamora, is not the Body of Christ.


No there are not 1.3bln members but if you count all the priests and add two zeros that will give you somwhat fair estimate.

How do you arrive at those numbers? Can you give any reasoning?
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 10:25:18 AM »
Sure, i am not counting the nominal persons who have been baptized as babies, and are now grown up atheists, nor the “good citizen” who go to Church once a year to light a candle because they are good persons.

I am talking about the real religious persons who go regularly on confession, in that sense more than 100 persons per priest are going to be very overwhelming, i am not saying its not possible, maybe some confess much more but some others much less, so 1x100 seem to be like a reasonable number.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 11:30:26 AM »
Sure, i am not counting the nominal persons who have been baptized as babies, and are now grown up atheists, nor the “good citizen” who go to Church once a year to light a candle because they are good persons.

I am talking about the real religious persons who go regularly on confession, in that sense more than 100 persons per priest are going to be very overwhelming, i am not saying its not possible, maybe some confess much more but some others much less, so 1x100 seem to be like a reasonable number.
Aha. So the definition of the church is those people who go to confession on a regular basis?
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2018, 11:36:24 AM »
Unfortunately, what these revelations being brought to light all over the world reveal is that the clergy is morally corrupt.  Some say that the East tolerates schism to preserve the Truth, whereas the West tolerates heresy to preserve loyalty, ultimately loyalty to the pope.  What these recent events point out is that religious and clerical people in authority have corrupted their spiritual and moral duties for the sake of their institutions, from the diocesan and the monastery levels to the pope.  I cannot help thinking of how much papal supremacy ended up, though not necessarily, bringing things among fallen men, even if clergymen, to this state of things, when an appearance of unity is used to cover up spiritual failure.  It's almost as if the professed and ordained members of the Catholic Church have given in to the demonic temptations that tested Our Lord in the desert, in some corners, as the McCarrick case shows, as a condition for profession or ordination.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2018, 11:39:26 AM »
Aha. So the definition of the church is those people who go to confession on a regular basis?
Methinks that he refers to the practicing Catholics.  I agree with it, for true religious affiliation means life in the Church family, when one's life is molded by Church belief and practice.  Not that only the practicing will be saved, of course.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
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Aha. So the definition of the church is those people who go to confession on a regular basis?
Dude, do i really need to explain to you basics ?

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2018, 12:46:40 PM »
Sure, i am not counting the nominal persons who have been baptized as babies, and are now grown up atheists, nor the “good citizen” who go to Church once a year to light a candle because they are good persons.

I am talking about the real religious persons who go regularly on confession, in that sense more than 100 persons per priest are going to be very overwhelming, i am not saying its not possible, maybe some confess much more but some others much less, so 1x100 seem to be like a reasonable number.
100 laymen per priest is nothing, man. RC priests are incredibly overwhelmed people.

22% of American Catholics claim to go to mass weekly, that is over 15 million people. There are 37 thousand priests in the US, being 26 thousand diocesan, so your estimation would claim less than 3 million Catholics.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2018, 01:01:27 PM »
There are limits where donatism ends and demonism begins, what is happening in the papal institution on mass and global scale is something very dark.

It must be obvious to everyone by now that this evil institution which is more vile than sodom and gamora, is not the Body of Christ.

You think we're better? Or are we just so disorganized, oldschool and parochial it is harder to see and account for?
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2018, 01:15:30 PM »
I just finished reading the whole article.

That is just evil.

Graceless sacraments for sure.

Still 1.3 billion strong.

Mass exodus when?

Probably never. They didn't change before, they're not going to change now.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2018, 01:15:59 PM »
I just finished reading the whole article.

That is just evil.

Graceless sacraments for sure.

Still 1.3 billion strong.

Mass exodus when?

Donatism where?

There are limits where donatism ends and demonism begins, what is happening in the papal institution on mass and global scale is something very dark.

It must be obvious to everyone by now that this evil institution which is more vile than sodom and gamora, is not the Body of Christ.


No there are not 1.3bln members but if you count all the priests and add two zeros that will give you somwhat fair estimate.

How do you arrive at those numbers? Can you give any reasoning?

He pulled that out of his ear.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2018, 01:16:56 PM »
Yeah, because Orthodox priests never rape anybody.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2018, 01:33:40 PM »
Yeah, because Orthodox priests never rape anybody.

less that catholic ones at least
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2018, 01:34:55 PM »
Your avatar is ridiculous.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2018, 01:42:46 PM »
Yeah, because Orthodox priests never rape anybody.

less that catholic ones at least

"We rape less than catholics!" is not the route you want to go.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2018, 01:47:24 PM »
Yeah, because Orthodox priests never rape anybody.

less that catholic ones at least

Doesn't help. You don't even know, if there hasn't been an investigation.

Really pretty damn ignorant. Matches what you said on the political board the other day.
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2018, 01:54:33 PM »
Matches what you said on the political board the other day.

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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2018, 02:01:20 PM »
Yeah, because Orthodox priests never rape anybody.

less that catholic ones at least

Doesn't help. You don't even know, if there hasn't been an investigation.

Really pretty damn ignorant. Matches what you said on the political board the other day.

you know what you are right i should not have said that our priests rape less then catholic ones. Forgive me
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2018, 02:14:17 PM »
Sure, i am not counting the nominal persons who have been baptized as babies, and are now grown up atheists, nor the “good citizen” who go to Church once a year to light a candle because they are good persons.

I am talking about the real religious persons who go regularly on confession, in that sense more than 100 persons per priest are going to be very overwhelming, i am not saying its not possible, maybe some confess much more but some others much less, so 1x100 seem to be like a reasonable number.
100 laymen per priest is nothing, man. RC priests are incredibly overwhelmed people.

22% of American Catholics claim to go to mass weekly, that is over 15 million people. There are 37 thousand priests in the US, being 26 thousand diocesan, so your estimation would claim less than 3 million Catholics.

Your math estimates 15 000 000/26 000 = 576~ regular person to fit in every sunday.

My math estimates 3 700 000/26 000 = 142 regular persons to fit in every sunday.

Which seem more realistic ?

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2018, 02:28:18 PM »
The number of people going to confession or mass does not matter, I guess.
I got a feeling that things are falling apart. Priests and even bishops have damaged the church beyond repair. And it gets ever worse. I am afraid of the future.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2018, 02:52:06 PM »
Sure, i am not counting the nominal persons who have been baptized as babies, and are now grown up atheists, nor the “good citizen” who go to Church once a year to light a candle because they are good persons.

I am talking about the real religious persons who go regularly on confession, in that sense more than 100 persons per priest are going to be very overwhelming, i am not saying its not possible, maybe some confess much more but some others much less, so 1x100 seem to be like a reasonable number.
100 laymen per priest is nothing, man. RC priests are incredibly overwhelmed people.

22% of American Catholics claim to go to mass weekly, that is over 15 million people. There are 37 thousand priests in the US, being 26 thousand diocesan, so your estimation would claim less than 3 million Catholics.

Your math estimates 15 000 000/26 000 = 576~ regular person to fit in every sunday.

My math estimates 3 700 000/26 000 = 142 regular persons to fit in every sunday.

Which seem more realistic ?

Did the survey specify Sunday mass only?
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2018, 05:40:31 PM »
There are limits where donatism ends and demonism begins, what is happening in the papal institution on mass and global scale is something very dark.

It must be obvious to everyone by now that this evil institution which is more vile than sodom and gamora, is not the Body of Christ.

You think we're better? Or are we just so disorganized, oldschool and parochial it is harder to see and account for?

I'm honestly torn. I know that there's sex abuse and complicit (or at least criminally negligent) hierarchs all over Orthodoxy, too. But on the same scale? Not just the proportional numbers here, but the depths of this depravity is getting really hard for me to wrap my head around. I mean, it's possible that it's going on in Orthodoxy and the administrative murkiness of the Orthodox world makes it harder to see, but I don't know...


Yet, I also have to stand by my initial statement. Christ does not abandon His Church no matter how hypocritical the men speaking for it are.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2018, 06:42:51 PM »
The number of people going to confession or mass does not matter, I guess.
I got a feeling that things are falling apart. Priests and even bishops have damaged the church beyond repair. And it gets ever worse. I am afraid of the future.

Be that as it may, Pope Francis is at least making an effort:

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-09/pope-francis-pray-rosary-october.html
Note that he is recommending adding the St. Michael Prayer and "Sub tuum praesidium" (a prayer for the Protection of the Mother of God -- which some of us celebrate today apparently) to the Rosary. I have to give him credit for that.

Given that actual schism seems imminent something like that seems even more important to us, yet I've heard nothing from anyone.

Too many theologists, not enough theologians.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2018, 07:04:08 PM »
The number of people going to confession or mass does not matter, I guess.
I got a feeling that things are falling apart. Priests and even bishops have damaged the church beyond repair. And it gets ever worse. I am afraid of the future.

Be that as it may, Pope Francis is at least making an effort:

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-09/pope-francis-pray-rosary-october.html
Note that he is recommending adding the St. Michael Prayer and "Sub tuum praesidium" (a prayer for the Protection of the Mother of God -- which some of us celebrate today apparently) to the Rosary. I have to give him credit for that.

Smoke and mirrors.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2018, 07:37:59 PM »
Given that actual schism seems imminent something like that seems even more important to us, yet I've heard nothing from anyone.

I'm not sure it's right to compare a still-hypothetical administrative schism, even a possibly particularly ugly one (which might not even go all "worst case scenario," anyway, even if it happens), with all of this.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2018, 11:24:27 AM »
Be that as it may, Pope Francis is at least making an effort:
No.  What the faithful are expecting the pope to do is to act.  How can a pope accuse those who "go around the world seeking to accuse" to be the devil before the whole Catholic Church?  PP FI is a morally, spiritually and criminally corrupt pope.

He is part of the problem, whose tenure as bishop of Buenos Aires included giving cover to a priest who's now in jail due to sexual abuse, yet then defended him even after admitting his crimes.  So far, PP FI has refused to laicize him.  There are other cases in Buenos Aires, but his pattern of action was confirmed by the context of the infamous statement "who am I to judge": he does not consider sexual sin, even involving abuse, disqualifies one to the priesthood.  I may be jaded, but at this point, as the McCarrick affair has brought to light, I suspect those defending the indefensible to be guilty themselves.  God only knows.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2018, 11:28:23 AM »
I think the profanity removed --Ainnir is its called "sex abuse" but you don't understand sex?
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2018, 11:47:38 AM »
The number of people going to confession or mass does not matter, I guess.
I got a feeling that things are falling apart. Priests and even bishops have damaged the church beyond repair. And it gets ever worse. I am afraid of the future.

Be that as it may, Pope Francis is at least making an effort:

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-09/pope-francis-pray-rosary-october.html
Note that he is recommending adding the St. Michael Prayer and "Sub tuum praesidium" (a prayer for the Protection of the Mother of God -- which some of us celebrate today apparently) to the Rosary. I have to give him credit for that.

Smoke and mirrors.

Well, obviously it is a good idea to ask for the intercession of St. Michael and the Theotokos.
Still, I am very concerned about the future of my church.
Where will we be ten years from now? Are there going to be more schisms?
Certainly there will be another wave of people leaving the church.

Why did all of this have to happen?
One cannot see what this could be good for - there seems to be no indication of real repentance.
I feel anger, even hatred... which is a bad thing, but one cannot help it.


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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2018, 01:45:08 PM »
The number of people going to confession or mass does not matter, I guess.
I got a feeling that things are falling apart. Priests and even bishops have damaged the church beyond repair. And it gets ever worse. I am afraid of the future.

Be that as it may, Pope Francis is at least making an effort:

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-09/pope-francis-pray-rosary-october.html
Note that he is recommending adding the St. Michael Prayer and "Sub tuum praesidium" (a prayer for the Protection of the Mother of God -- which some of us celebrate today apparently) to the Rosary. I have to give him credit for that.

Smoke and mirrors.

Well, obviously it is a good idea to ask for the intercession of St. Michael and the Theotokos.
Still, I am very concerned about the future of my church.
Where will we be ten years from now? Are there going to be more schisms?
Certainly there will be another wave of people leaving the church.

Why did all of this have to happen?
One cannot see what this could be good for - there seems to be no indication of real repentance.
I feel anger, even hatred... which is a bad thing, but one cannot help it.

I feel for you and other Catholics trying to endure the current situation.  And as much as I believe the Pope’s recent invitation to prayer to be a PR ruse, it’s hard to disagree with the need for prayer and specifically the intercession of the Mother of God, without which we cannot live.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2018, 01:45:54 PM »
No, I'm not leaving Orthodoxy anytime soon. 
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2018, 02:14:35 PM »
The number of people going to confession or mass does not matter, I guess.
I got a feeling that things are falling apart. Priests and even bishops have damaged the church beyond repair. And it gets ever worse. I am afraid of the future.

Be that as it may, Pope Francis is at least making an effort:

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-09/pope-francis-pray-rosary-october.html
Note that he is recommending adding the St. Michael Prayer and "Sub tuum praesidium" (a prayer for the Protection of the Mother of God -- which some of us celebrate today apparently) to the Rosary. I have to give him credit for that.

Smoke and mirrors.

Well, obviously it is a good idea to ask for the intercession of St. Michael and the Theotokos.
Still, I am very concerned about the future of my church.
Where will we be ten years from now? Are there going to be more schisms?
Certainly there will be another wave of people leaving the church.

Why did all of this have to happen?
One cannot see what this could be good for - there seems to be no indication of real repentance.
I feel anger, even hatred... which is a bad thing, but one cannot help it.

I feel for you and other Catholics trying to endure the current situation.  And as much as I believe the Pope’s recent invitation to prayer to be a PR ruse, it’s hard to disagree with the need for prayer and specifically the intercession of the Mother of God, without which we cannot live.
Thanks for your charitable words, I appreciate it.
The abuses are global in scope, we have South America, the US, Europe. Recently, a report for Germany was published. Devastating.
Bishops have been covering up systematically for decades, protecting the perpetrators.
Now, they are all talking about relentless clarity and compensation for the victims. Like money can heal everything. I don't believe them anymore.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2018, 03:20:41 PM »
@Lepanto

I’m sorry, but at the risk of sounding insensitive both to you specifically in your present struggle and in general with regard to the utterly horrible, if not demonic, nature of the scandal, I have to ask - you say you “feel that things are falling apart,” that priests and bishops have damaged Catholicism “beyond repair,” that “you’re afraid of the future,” you feel anger and hatred, and no longer believe your bishops.  All of that being said, do you still believe that Catholicism is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ, that the gates of Hell will not prevail against?  If so, why be “very concerned?”

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2018, 03:37:45 PM »
@Lepanto

I’m sorry, but at the risk of sounding insensitive both to you specifically in your present struggle and in general with regard to the utterly horrible, if not demonic, nature of the scandal, I have to ask - you say you “feel that things are falling apart,” that priests and bishops have damaged Catholicism “beyond repair,” that “you’re afraid of the future,” you feel anger and hatred, and no longer believe your bishops.  All of that being said, do you still believe that Catholicism is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ, that the gates of Hell will not prevail against?  If so, why be “very concerned?”
To be honest, I am confused.  Demonic, indeed.
The Catholic Church must be the church founded by Christ.
What else should I believe?
Obviously, this is an Orthodox board and I know what you mean.
I understand perfectly.
Only, it is not an option. Not for me.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2018, 03:55:26 PM »
@Lepanto

I’m sorry, but at the risk of sounding insensitive both to you specifically in your present struggle and in general with regard to the utterly horrible, if not demonic, nature of the scandal, I have to ask - you say you “feel that things are falling apart,” that priests and bishops have damaged Catholicism “beyond repair,” that “you’re afraid of the future,” you feel anger and hatred, and no longer believe your bishops.  All of that being said, do you still believe that Catholicism is the true Church, founded by Jesus Christ, that the gates of Hell will not prevail against?  If so, why be “very concerned?”

He can't be "very concerned" just because he doesn't want the faithful to suffer any more than they have? Why not? Concern need not imply hopelessness.

Things are definitely unspeakably bleak for Catholics right now, but as long as they have the true sacraments (which has to be a question asked independently of the morality of the clergy), things are bound to turn around eventually.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2018, 04:16:42 PM »
@Volnutt

Lepanto is, of course, entitled to his feelings.  To me, to be “very concerned” about the future to the point of being “afraid” and stating that the situation is “beyond repair” strikes me as hopelessness.  If one is going to say, “hey Catholicism has had other bad moments and this is just a blip and everything is ‘bound to turn around eventually,’” fine, but that doesn’t seem to be what he is saying and feeling.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2018, 04:20:34 PM »
I just finished reading the whole article.

That is just evil.

Graceless sacraments for sure.

Still 1.3 billion strong.

Mass exodus when?

"I am the image of God, and am drawn to wickedness" - St. Gregory the Theologian

I've felt the second half of that weighing on my perception of the world more and more. One reason I continually 'come back' (religion, Orthodoxy, God, whatever) is that I see humanity in general as being horribly and unfixably rotten. I've never cared much for philosophical arguments for the existence of God having to do with morality or meaning, but on a psychological level, without God and the 'image of God' in us I don't see any hope for our species to get beyond our own [crapiness]. I've tried to maintain the hope that some goodness does shine through in a few individuals, and that there are enough individuals (even if a minority) to be a check and keep things from snowballing to crazy extremes... but apparently not.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2018, 04:25:48 PM »
@Volnutt

Lepanto is, of course, entitled to his feelings.  To me, to be “very concerned” about the future to the point of being “afraid” and stating that the situation is “beyond repair” strikes me as hopelessness.  If one is going to say, “hey Catholicism has had other bad moments and this is just a blip and everything is ‘bound to turn around eventually,’” fine, but that doesn’t seem to be what he is saying and feeling.

Well, I guess it could also be a "limp to the finish" with Christ returning soon for His broken Bride.
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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2018, 04:54:03 PM »
Two people will process even identical situations differently; there's nothing wrong with that.  Sometimes hopelessness happens.  Lord, have mercy.
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Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no clue, so there's that.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2018, 06:45:58 PM »
Two people will process even identical situations differently; there's nothing wrong with that.  Sometimes hopelessness happens.  Lord, have mercy.
I will forgive you if you show me your privates.  Sounds like indulgence to me.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2018, 06:53:40 PM »
Two people will process even identical situations differently; there's nothing wrong with that.  Sometimes hopelessness happens.  Lord, have mercy.
I will forgive you if you show me your privates.  Sounds like indulgence to me.

Sounds like you are quite mixed up.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2018, 06:55:14 PM »
Two people will process even identical situations differently; there's nothing wrong with that.  Sometimes hopelessness happens.  Lord, have mercy.
I will forgive you if you show me your privates.  Sounds like indulgence to me.

Sounds like you are quite mixed up.
Indulgence doest have to be monetary.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2018, 07:27:06 PM »
Two people will process even identical situations differently; there's nothing wrong with that.  Sometimes hopelessness happens.  Lord, have mercy.
I will forgive you if you show me your privates.  Sounds like indulgence to me.
You know, for a second I mistook you for being serious.  Proper punctuation is nice--in this case, quotation marks around your first sentence.  :) 
Anyway, just for painful clarity: I was commenting on how someone (or many someones) might process the distress caused by the news of all this abuse (or any distress, really), not on the abuse itself.
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no clue, so there's that.

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Re: The implications of the newest clerical sex abuse reports
« Reply #44 on: October 02, 2018, 08:57:25 PM »
Two people will process even identical situations differently; there's nothing wrong with that.  Sometimes hopelessness happens.  Lord, have mercy.
I will forgive you if you show me your privates.  Sounds like indulgence to me.
You know, for a second I mistook you for being serious.  Proper punctuation is nice--in this case, quotation marks around your first sentence.  :) 
Note taken.

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Anyway, just for painful clarity: I was commenting on how someone (or many someones) might process the distress caused by the news of all this abuse (or any distress, really), not on the abuse itself
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I though I would just jump in without taking the time to actually read through everything first. My bad.