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New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« on: November 04, 2012, 05:44:50 AM »
Anba Tawadros has been chosen as the 118th Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/57107/Egypt/Politics-/BREAKING-Bishop-Tawadros-chosen-as-Egypts-th-Copti.aspx

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 05:47:36 AM »
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2012, 05:50:46 AM »
The way Met. Bakhomious guided the boy's hand to a certain ball made it look a bit rigged.
And I'm sure that Anba Tawadros was Met. Bakhomious' preferred candidate, since he is his disciple.
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2012, 05:54:49 AM »
I thought maybe we  could go 10 minutes without this kind of talk. How silly of me. :-\

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2012, 05:56:03 AM »
I thought maybe we  could go 10 minutes without this kind of talk. How silly of me. :-\

Didn't it look a bit suss to you?

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2012, 05:58:49 AM »
I thought maybe we  could go 10 minutes without this kind of talk. How silly of me. :-\

Didn't it look a bit suss to you?

Considering the three balls were indistinguishable from each other and were shuffled, not to mention the kid was obviously very anxious so he chose the first one he touched, no, not at all.

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 06:00:50 AM »
I am not inclined to see conspiracies in such things. I was neither the boy nor HE Bahkomious, so I trust that the Lord's hand is stronger than any of us.

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 06:02:09 AM »
I thought maybe we  could go 10 minutes without this kind of talk. How silly of me. :-\

Didn't it look a bit suss to you?

Considering the three balls were indistinguishable from each other and were shuffled, not to mention the kid was obviously very anxious so he chose the first one he touched, no, not at all.

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The balls could potentially have been distinguishable based on the position of the seal of the Acting Patriarch on the white stickers.
Although I agree that it probably wasn't rigged.

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 06:22:03 AM »
Does anyone have a video of the setting up of the altar lot, and the altar lot itself?

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 06:40:04 AM »
His Holiness 60th birthday today as well? Who was the first Pope named Tawadros?
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2012, 06:41:10 AM »
I've just watched the altar lot again from CTV and the time when CTV changes cameras makes it look as if it was rigged, but in reality, it is not at all clear from the video whether the boy's hand was guided to a certain ball or not.

I would appreciate it if someone had a video of the lot according to Aghapy TV's cameras to confirm this.

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2012, 06:47:47 AM »
His Holiness 60th birthday today as well? Who was the first Pope named Tawadros?

Wiki gives me no other info but that the 45th patriarch, Pope Theodosius II was also referred to as Pope Theodoros I which translates to Tawadros.
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New Coptic Pope chosen
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2012, 07:46:57 AM »
http://www.news.com.au/world/new-coptic-pope-chosen-in-elaborate-ceremony/story-fndir2ev-1226510208292

Bishop Tawadros, 59, an aide to the acting pope, was selected to become Pope Tawadros II, replacing the charismatic Pope Shenouda III who died earlier this year after 40 years at the helm of the church.

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Re: New Coptic Pope chosen
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2012, 09:04:40 AM »
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 10:48:33 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2012, 11:09:26 AM »
Axios!!!!  ;D
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2012, 12:22:25 PM »
So in Alexandria there are now two popes named Theodore II. Not confusing at all.

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2012, 12:29:25 PM »
So in Alexandria there are now two popes named Theodore II. Not confusing at all.
Lol. :D
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2012, 12:45:11 PM »
So in Alexandria there are now two popes named Theodore II.

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2012, 12:58:48 PM »
So in Alexandria there are now two popes named Theodore II.

Orthodox Unity!

That's what I thought; a sign to proclam official unity of EO and OO ;)

Let God give strength to both Alexandrian popes for these so difficult times for Egyptian Christians. I wish during the pontificates of them it would happen. Together we can achieve much more, specially in missions in Africa
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2012, 02:55:29 PM »
Axios! Axios! Axios!
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2012, 03:20:00 PM »
Axios! Axios! Axios!

He has a lot of problems to deal with in the church, may the lord give him strength. May he provide comfort to his flock suffering from Islamic extremism in Egypt, may he help the Ethiopian church as it chooses its new Patriarch, and the help solve the problem in Eritrea. But first and foremost, the situation going on in Egypt.
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2012, 05:20:11 PM »
His Holiness 60th birthday today as well? Who was the first Pope named Tawadros?

Wiki gives me no other info but that the 45th patriarch, Pope Theodosius II was also referred to as Pope Theodoros I which translates to Tawadros.
I think wikipedia made a mistake.  After checking Iris Habib el Masry, Abba Severus al-Ashmumein, and Mark Swanson, there is no indication (or much info really about Pope Tawadros I) that the first Tawadros is also known as Theodosius.  In fact all 3 sources say Pope Theodosius II is the 79th Pope in the 13th Century, not Theodosius III as Wiki says it.
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2012, 05:25:11 PM »
So in Alexandria there are now two popes named Theodore II.

Orthodox Unity!

That's what I thought; a sign to proclam official unity of EO and OO ;)

Let God give strength to both Alexandrian popes for these so difficult times for Egyptian Christians. I wish during the pontificates of them it would happen. Together we can achieve much more, specially in missions in Africa
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2012, 06:48:12 PM »
Axios! Axios! Axios!

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2012, 08:01:51 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I thought maybe we  could go 10 minutes without this kind of talk. How silly of me. :-\

Haha! Yes, across 1300 years, appointed Bishops is always sure to cause controversy, gossip, and strife.  Me personally, I don't understand it, out my convert's zeal I embrace Church leaders by Faith as appointed by God.  I don't see the need for laity to get involved aside from praying for our leaders :)

Speaking of which, let us pray that God grant many years to His Holiness Pope Theodore and praised be to God through the Saints that the See of Mark is yet again securely occupied by an Apostolic successor! Further, I hope the new Pope will be as embracing and active in the Ethiopian Church as was the legacy of the great Pope Shenouda III ( dare say we should pursue canonization for our reverend Father, his legacy is so great in the Oriental world, we might not even have any Oriental Churches today if not for Pope Shenouda's constant efforts in the global community)

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2012, 08:07:45 PM »
( dare say we should pursue canonization for our reverend Father, his legacy is so great in the Oriental world, we might not even have any Oriental Churches today if not for Pope Shenouda's constant efforts in the global community)

Why should we pursue canonisation if there are no miracles recorded?!
Also, the rule is to wait until 50 years after their death.
We are not like the Catholics who canonise every Pope they have!
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2012, 08:16:13 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

( dare say we should pursue canonization for our reverend Father, his legacy is so great in the Oriental world, we might not even have any Oriental Churches today if not for Pope Shenouda's constant efforts in the global community)

Why should we pursue canonisation if there are no miracles recorded?!
Also, the rule is to wait until 50 years after their death.
We are not like the Catholics who canonise every Pope they have!

To me, Pope Shenouda's intervention in the Tewahedo Church across 40 plus years, from HH work with HIM during the final years of the Crown, or how HH worked against the communist Derg, or how HH denounced the dethroning and later tragic assassination of the martyred Abune Theophilos, or how HH mediated during the 1991 Ethiopian Revolution to ensure the Tewahedo Church did not splinter away, or how HH intervened in the Eritrean conflicts to assist them towards autocephaly... these I would say in the context of the decades of war ensuing were miracles :angel: :angel: :angel:

In fifty years, I will be sure to bring it up again, until then I will hold the memory of His Holiness Pope Shenouda in private devotion :police:

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2012, 09:37:02 PM »
( dare say we should pursue canonization for our reverend Father, his legacy is so great in the Oriental world, we might not even have any Oriental Churches today if not for Pope Shenouda's constant efforts in the global community)

Why should we pursue canonisation if there are no miracles recorded?!
Also, the rule is to wait until 50 years after their death.
We are not like the Catholics who canonise every Pope they have!
Why should there be miracles recorded? Sainthood should not be limited by miracles?  People like archdeacon Habib Guirguis and Abba Bulus el Bushi should be canonized.
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2012, 09:49:13 PM »
( dare say we should pursue canonization for our reverend Father, his legacy is so great in the Oriental world, we might not even have any Oriental Churches today if not for Pope Shenouda's constant efforts in the global community)

Why should we pursue canonisation if there are no miracles recorded?!
Also, the rule is to wait until 50 years after their death.
We are not like the Catholics who canonise every Pope they have!
Why should there be miracles recorded? Sainthood should not be limited by miracles?  People like archdeacon Habib Guirguis and Abba Bulus el Bushi should be canonized.

Sorry, I thought there was a rule that miracles are a prerequisite for canonisation
Athough I guess I have never heard of miracles by St Athanasius

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2012, 10:12:45 PM »
I was hoping for Father Raphael Ava Mina

oh well
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2012, 10:15:37 PM »
I was hoping for Father Pachomios El-Syrian ;P

oh well
I was hoping for either Fr. Rophael or Anba Rophael. But I guess we'll just have to trust that God appointed H.H. Anba Tawadros according to His Holy will. :)
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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2012, 10:25:16 PM »
( dare say we should pursue canonization for our reverend Father, his legacy is so great in the Oriental world, we might not even have any Oriental Churches today if not for Pope Shenouda's constant efforts in the global community)

Why should we pursue canonisation if there are no miracles recorded?!
Also, the rule is to wait until 50 years after their death.
We are not like the Catholics who canonise every Pope they have!
Why should there be miracles recorded? Sainthood should not be limited by miracles?  People like archdeacon Habib Guirguis and Abba Bulus el Bushi should be canonized.

And Fr. Matthew the Poor. And some friendly encouragement given the Armenian Church to canonize some saints who've been waiting for 800 years. :)
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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2012, 11:51:24 PM »
And some friendly encouragement given the Armenian Church to canonize some saints who've been waiting for 800 years. :)

Is there someone you had in mind?

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2012, 12:32:48 AM »
I was hoping for Father Pachomios El-Syrian ;P

oh well
I was hoping for either Fr. Rophael or Anba Rophael. But I guess we'll just have to trust that God appointed H.H. Anba Tawadros according to His Holy will. :)

oh jeez!!!

you quoted me before I could edit to correct the name! I also was hoping for Father Rophael :)
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2012, 02:20:52 AM »
I was hoping for Father Pachomios El-Syrian ;P

oh well
I was hoping for either Fr. Rophael or Anba Rophael. But I guess we'll just have to trust that God appointed H.H. Anba Tawadros according to His Holy will. :)

oh jeez!!!

you quoted me before I could edit to correct the name! I also was hoping for Father Rophael :)

lol  :D
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2012, 10:29:02 AM »
Why should We are not like the Catholics who canonise every Pope they have!

I would say that this word is undue and uncharitable. This is also an untruth. Just because the Catholic Church has rushed the canonization process with the late Pope John Paul II doesn't mean they "canonise every Pope they have!" Most Roman popes are not saints. After AD 816, far fewer popes were made saints: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

May God grant Pope Tawadros many years!
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2012, 03:29:27 PM »
This should bring many of us here gladness and peace in heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNLyfBCuKKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

HG Bishop Rafael, himself was a papal candidate and also one of the bishops who nominated HG Bishop Tawadros, shows his utmost joy in knowing that Bishop Tawadros, who was his colleague for a number of years will become his Papa.  In reply, Bishop Tawadros in humility would talk about how much more qualified in his knowledge and teaching Bishop Rafael is, and how he will continue to learn from him, asking him to never leave his side.  Bishop Rafael would keep repeating "God has a different opinion," and vowed to be a servant and disciple to him.
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2012, 03:34:33 PM »
I really like Pope Tawadros' humble response to being elected:

'The new Pope was staying at his monastery of St. Bishoy in the Wadi El N’atrun when the Lot was drawn and on being told the news, replied, “I thank the Lord for His grace; I am undeserving.” He then joined the monks at the monastery in prayers and doxologies before the shrine of Saint Bishoy.' - Source: http://britishorthodox.org/3783/bishop-tawadros-chosen-by-the-sacred-lot-to-be-118th-pope/

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2012, 04:05:49 PM »
The way Met. Bakhomious guided the boy's hand to a certain ball made it look a bit rigged.
And I'm sure that Anba Tawadros was Met. Bakhomious' preferred candidate, since he is his disciple.
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2012, 04:10:49 PM »
The way Met. Bakhomious guided the boy's hand to a certain ball made it look a bit rigged.
And I'm sure that Anba Tawadros was Met. Bakhomious' preferred candidate, since he is his disciple.
Conspiracy?!!!

Who knew the Copts could best the RCs for stakes in bingo?

The Apostles cast lots to replace Judas... Cleromancy has been used by the God at least since the times of Moses.  ;)

Some info on the matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleromancy
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2012, 04:12:22 PM »
The way Met. Bakhomious guided the boy's hand to a certain ball made it look a bit rigged.
And I'm sure that Anba Tawadros was Met. Bakhomious' preferred candidate, since he is his disciple.
Conspiracy?!!!

Who knew the Copts could best the RCs for stakes in bingo?

The Apostles cast lots to replace Judas...

That's not very nice . . .
Ignorance is not a lack, but a passion.

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2012, 04:16:07 PM »
The way Met. Bakhomious guided the boy's hand to a certain ball made it look a bit rigged.
And I'm sure that Anba Tawadros was Met. Bakhomious' preferred candidate, since he is his disciple.
Conspiracy?!!!

Who knew the Copts could best the RCs for stakes in bingo?

The Apostles cast lots to replace Judas... Cleromancy has been used by the God at least since the times of Moses.  ;)

Some info on the matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleromancy

Give the track record of the OCA, perhaps they should choose their Bishops and Metropolitan on Thanksgiving Day by a turkey wish bone pulling round-robin.
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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2012, 04:25:55 PM »
The way Met. Bakhomious guided the boy's hand to a certain ball made it look a bit rigged.
And I'm sure that Anba Tawadros was Met. Bakhomious' preferred candidate, since he is his disciple.
Conspiracy?!!!

Who knew the Copts could best the RCs for stakes in bingo?

The Apostles cast lots to replace Judas...

That's not very nice . . .


I meant, "to fill the place". :P

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Re: New Coptic Pope Chosen: Anba Tawadros
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2012, 05:50:42 PM »
Axios! Axios! Axios! Many years! Eis polla eti Despota!