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« on: November 02, 2012, 08:33:48 PM »

Hello all... My name is Konstantinos or Constantine and I am from Athens, Greece... 24 - 25 years old... I hope this topic is in the appropriate position.

I am a proud Christian Greek Orthodox. I love the history of Greece and especially Byzantine Greece... Byzantine Empire is my favorite Empire (and Macedonia) and every day I thank GOD, because my name is Constantine. I think a few of you, have already understood the meaning of my account's name: Constantine XII...

I believe in God, in Jesus Christ like a Modern Christian Orthodox, like my parents, like my grandparents ... like my Greek ancestors the last 2000 years.

I listen Greek music and of course my favorite one is Byzantine Music. I hope I will study soon Byzantine Music because I think it has very beautiful secrets...

I fast very often.

Do you know what I have done to my ID? In Greece they have forbidden religion in our ID, because they hate Christian Orthodox. So, in my signature in ID, I have added two letters: Χ.Ο., from Greek Χριστιανός Ορθόδοξος, which means Christian Orthodox.

Anyway, I am in this forum, because I want to find friends around the world who are proud Christian Orthodox. I hope you will welcome me...

Konstantinos - Constantine...
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 09:09:41 PM »

Welcome  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 10:34:02 PM »

"In Greece they have forbidden religion in our ID, because they hate Christian Orthodox."

WHY do you say they hate christan orthodox!? Who is they, the goverment?


BTW: many here also hate Greeks. Just an FYI.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2012, 11:08:47 PM »

"In Greece they have forbidden religion in our ID, because they hate Christian Orthodox."

WHY do you say they hate christan orthodox!? Who is they, the goverment?


BTW: many here also hate Greeks. Just an FYI.

Where are you from? Because I can see your faith is Greek Orthodox. And what you mean, many here also hate Greeks? Where there?

Yes, the Government is an anti-orthodox organization the last 40 years. It is obvious why they hate Christian Orthodox.

@ Ansgar, thank you.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 12:07:52 AM »

Forgot to say welcome to the forum!

I was born in Greece, Athens.
My family moved to the USA when i was 2yr old, so i don't really know Greece, much.
I went back 1 time when i was 8-9yr old.
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On this forum, there are other Greeks but some ppl don't particularly like Greeks.
I have noticed many derogatory statements abt Greeks and vieled criticisms.
Just a heads up.
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Its so very sad to hear that abt the Greek government!
Its not obvious to me why they hate Orthodoxy, would you explain?
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 02:12:02 AM »

Σε ευχαριστώ για το καλωσόρισμα Νίκολα. I hope you know Greek language.

I like very much Greek diaspora, especially in USA. From which city - state you are from?

I do not care about them who do not like everything Hellenic - Greek. It is very usual in my everyday life.

Why do they hate Orthodoxy? Why do they hate entire Hellenism? I will tell you a short synopsis of my life and I will explain you.

I was born and I grew up in the Capital of Greece: Athens. From my first years, I have been taught only one thing: To hate everything which has Greek roots. Yes, this is the reality. In the Capital of Greece, they taught me how to hate Greece. How to hate the history of this Geographical Region.

And when I was young, yes, I hated Greek things, because my parents did not tell me the reality. They did not help me to understand what's happening around me.

But now I am 25 years old, and I have understood the situation alone, without helping. And I am very very scared. Not about them... Of course not.  I “am scared” about the level of Greek civilization. How much high was / is Greek civilization and they have created a well organized plan to show us that it was not important?

Orthodoxy is a 100% Greek invention. We speak Modern Greek, but in churches we still use Byzantine Greek. 2000 years we use the same language in churches... Orthodoxy is a very strong branch of Hellenic civilization. This is the reason why they hate Orthodoxy.

If your question is why they hate Hellenism (general talking), the reason is very simple. If you have understood Greek civilization, you cannot become a@@hole. You cannot become gay... They gave us everything...

Do not forget what Schiller said about Greeks:

Damned Greek...

Every where I turn my thought, every where I turn my soul, I find you in front of me.

Should I long for art, poetry, theater, architecture, you are in front of me, first and unsurpassable.

Should I long for science, mathematics, philosophy, [you are] top and unbeatable.

... ...

Damned Greek, damned knowledge.

Why should I touch you?

Why should I feel how small I am, unimportant

... ...

Damned Greek, you found everything; philosophy, geometry, physics, astronomy… you left nothing for us.



I think Orthodoxy is the highest pneumatic level in the history of humanity. You live in USA, so you can understand how is a society with a very low pneumatic level. But I do not think Americans have low pneumatic level. They do not have pneumatic level.

Anyway, this post really is very big.... I want we keep in touch and I am waiting for you in Greece.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2012, 05:04:06 AM »

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I do not care about them who do not like everything Hellenic - Greek.

What a sad and insular view. I can count a variety of nationalities and cultures among my wider family, and all of them have good and bad elements, including the Greeks. No culture or ethnicity is perfect in every way.

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I'm sorry, but you're very wrong here. Christ was not Greek, neither were most of the apostles. And countless saints, early and more recent, venerated by the Orthodox Church, were not Greek.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2012, 05:13:12 AM »

He sounds like 90% of the Greeks at my former Greek parish.
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2012, 05:17:20 AM »

On this forum, there are other Greeks but some ppl don't particularly like Greeks.

I am not anti-Greek (I am even married to one), but I think the insular and deluded arrogance exemplified in this thread is the reason certain people here and elsewhere aren't exactly enthralled with Greeks.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2012, 05:21:57 AM »

On this forum, there are other Greeks but some ppl don't particularly like Greeks.

I am not anti-Greek (I am even married to one), but I think the insular and deluded arrogance exemplified in this thread is the reason certain people here and elsewhere aren't exactly enthralled with Greeks.

Yup. Greeks, especially those in Greece, just have to realize that they stopped being the center of the universe many centuries ago.  Cool
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2012, 05:41:17 AM »

Welcome : ) I am Greek Australia,

I have some questions about Greece.

Can you explain to me what do you mean by the Politis Karta ? Why they dont want to include religion on your ID Card ?. Possible its to avoid discrimination when you present it to your employers.

How are you coping in Greece ?, with all the economic issues in Greece are you studying or working full-time is it hard for young people your age to find a job ?.

How do you feel about foreigners in Greece ? And how are the Greek people towards foreigners and non Orthodox Christians? I feel they are very hostile to non Greeks and Greeks who are not born in Greece, Emei Ellhnas ala emei Xenos mesa stin Patrida mou. Majority Greeks in Greece are not nice, but where are all the nice Greek man and women can you tell me or show me so I can talk with them ? is there an Online Greek Orthodox forum on the internet from Greece were true Greek Orthodox Christians join together with love and talk ?.


Thanks

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 05:55:42 AM »

Orthodoxy is a 100% Greek invention.

I thought Jesus was a Jew...

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If your question is why they hate Hellenism (general talking), the reason is very simple. If you have understood Greek civilization, you cannot become a@@hole. You cannot become gay...

Really?

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 06:29:37 AM »

Yup. Greeks, especially those in Greece, just have to realize that they stopped being the center of the universe many centuries ago.  Cool

Indeed, though I think it's precisely that realisation that leads to comments such as the above. Most Greeks think the rest of Europe are completely oblivious to the role of Greek language, thought, and culture in shaping their history and therefore feel the need to give every non-Greek they talk to a lesson in the subject. So, although it comes off as very patronising and arrogant to the rest of us, most of the time it's well intentioned, for which reason I should apologise for my harsh tone above.

   
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 06:46:51 AM »

He sounds like 90% of the Greeks at my former Greek parish.

You have many Greeks there? (Not descendents, but immigrants).
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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2012, 06:58:38 AM »

He sounds like 90% of the Greeks at my former Greek parish.

You have many Greeks there? (Not descendents, but immigrants).
I would say probably 3 million Greeks or so, the Metropolis of Denver only has 35,000 members the last I remember, but those memberships include those that are not Greek. Immigrants though? I have no idea, a few sprinkled in the Cathedral but that's about all I can recall. But when Greeks were immigrating I'm sure they were working in the mines here and in Utah, but those numbers were still low, and that was way back in the day.

There's an annual Greek festival too:
http://www.thegreekfestival.com/
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2012, 07:11:52 AM »

He sounds like 90% of the Greeks at my former Greek parish.

You have many Greeks there? (Not descendents, but immigrants).
I would say probably 3 million Greeks or so, the Metropolis of Denver only has 35,000 members the last I remember, but those memberships include those that are not Greek. Immigrants though? I have no idea, a few sprinkled in the Cathedral but that's about all I can recall. But when Greeks were immigrating I'm sure they were working in the mines here and in Utah, but those numbers were still low, and that was way back in the day.

There's an annual Greek festival too:
http://www.thegreekfestival.com/

Answer: you don't know how many real Greeks (and that does not include Americans of Hellenic ancestry). So 90% of an unknown means exactly what?
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2012, 07:14:15 AM »

Remember its not the total amount of Greeks, but of the Greeks that the parish had 90% of them said the same thing.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2012, 07:32:19 AM »

Remember its not the total amount of Greeks, but of the Greeks that the parish had 90% of them said the same thing.

And they are Greeks from Greece? How many, again?
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 08:30:14 AM »

On this forum, there are other Greeks but some ppl don't particularly like Greeks.

I am not anti-Greek (I am even married to one), but I think the insular and deluded arrogance exemplified in this thread is the reason certain people here and elsewhere aren't exactly enthralled with Greeks.

+1 (from a Greek).
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2012, 08:41:05 AM »

I do think a renewed interest in things Greek would be a good thing for education in all the Western world and possibly in Greece.

Specially if the Romaic Empire (aka Byzantine) was put in its proper place in history.

But not the Romaic Empire only. The Frank-Germanic tribes as well. I believe the impact of the events from the 8th to 14th century are deeply misunderstood in modern historiography.

The Romaic Empire was indeed the Roman Empire, Christianized and Hellenized. Was it different from the Pagan Roman Empire? Of course, but no less then modern Spain is from old Iberia. The Spanish and Portuguese *are* the Iberians. Since Constantine moved culture, state and even people (therefore DNA) to Constantinople, they were the Romans.

Now, were the Westerns Romans, despite being Frank-Germanic? In a sense yes, and in way that Rome itself had created by expanding Roman citizenship to those who were not born in the city. Western Romanity *is* a way of being Roman that was created and sanctioned by Rome itself. It is a romanity based on the concept of foederatti.

In fact, the chasm between Romaic romanity and Western romanity reflects the born citizen / naturalized citizen dichotomy. Interestingly enough, actual Romans, people born in the city of Rome, couldn't care less about all this. Only the descedants of the exiled Romans and of the naturalized Romans were concerned about their identities, and that is an expression of a verified social phenomena: that "branches" of a certain culture are usually more conservative about it then the original culture. Thus settlers and colonizers were usually more conservative about their culture and language then the ones in the metropolis. Also, naturalized citizens tend to "overplay" a stereotype of that culture, at least for sometime, before they get "natural".

Obviously, although they were "exiled romans" and "naturalized romans" they were both romans in a sense. But, and this makes a great difference, the fall of the Roman Empire did cause a cultural rupture that left the naturalized romans to do much guess work about what being Roman meant. Also, they lost the international language of culture and philosophy that was Greek, and even the literacy in Latin, while their ethnic languages didn't even have a consolidated written form. That's another serious rupture. The Romaic Empire, on the other hand, had much higher standards of culture preservation, even in its lower periods. That means that they could know better what being a Roman meant, what being a Christian meant, as well as be able to continually develop the form of their language without ever loosing contact with the registered insight of previous generations. Much of the emphasys on the Pope came, in my opinion, from a quiet desperation with the loss of this natural authority that History provides in the contact with Tradition. With no solid past to support the present and future, a figure of authority had to be produced.

Anyways, I think that studying Greek history, specially from the Romaic period on (that is, since the foundation of Constantinople, including the complete hellenization of the Roman Empire, a trend that existed since the foundation of the city itself), can provide us Westerns with deep, fruitful insights about our own history as cultural descedants of those "naturalized Romans" who were once called barbaric tribes.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2012, 09:44:17 AM »

Tatian: Address to the Greeks, chapter 1

Be not, O Greeks, so very hostilely disposed towards the Barbarians, nor look with ill will on their opinions. For which of your institutions has not been derived from the Barbarians? The most eminent of the Telmessians invented the art of divining by dreams; the Carians, that of prognosticating by the stars; the Phrygians and the most ancient Isaurians, augury by the flight of birds; the Cyprians, the art of inspecting victims.

To the Babylonians you owe astronomy; to the Persians, magic; to the Egyptians, geometry; to the Phœnicians, instruction by alphabetic writing. Cease, then, to miscall these imitations inventions of your own. Orpheus, again, taught you poetry and song; from him, too, you learned the mysteries. The Tuscans taught you the plastic art; from the annals of the Egyptians you learned to write history; you acquired the art of playing the flute from Marsyas and Olympus,— these two rustic Phrygians constructed the harmony of the shepherd's pipe. The Tyrrhenians invented the trumpet; the Cyclopes, the smith's art; and a woman who was formerly a queen of the Persians, as Hellanicus tells us, the method of joining together epistolary tablets: her name was Atossa.

Wherefore lay aside this conceit, and be not ever boasting of your elegance of diction; for, while you applaud yourselves, your own people will of course side with you. But it becomes a man of sense to wait for the testimony of others.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2012, 09:51:59 AM »

But the Greeks put all that together for good use. Just like the US, in the 19th and 20th century, became a hub for the best in every country and culture, allowing different ideas to meet and therefore create something anew.

It is precisely by giving up silly phyletism - that caricature of true patriotism - and adopting the best every nation has created that real innovation emerges and a true beacon of civilization is born in each historic period.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2012, 10:49:21 AM »

Heh, I'm very much a philhellene. I just thought it'd be funny to post the first part of Tatian's Adress to the Greeks.
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2012, 12:02:55 PM »

On this forum, there are other Greeks but some ppl don't particularly like Greeks.

I am not anti-Greek (I am even married to one), but I think the insular and deluded arrogance exemplified in this thread is the reason certain people here and elsewhere aren't exactly enthralled with Greeks.

Yup. Greeks, especially those in Greece, just have to realize that they stopped being the center of the universe many centuries ago.  Cool


Your just jelous cause we invented EVERYTHING!
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2012, 12:06:42 PM »

Yup. Greeks, especially those in Greece, just have to realize that they stopped being the center of the universe many centuries ago.  Cool

Indeed, though I think it's precisely that realisation that leads to comments such as the above. Most Greeks think the rest of Europe are completely oblivious to the role of Greek language, thought, and culture in shaping their history and therefore feel the need to give every non-Greek they talk to a lesson in the subject. So, although it comes off as very patronising and arrogant to the rest of us, most of the time it's well intentioned, for which reason I should apologise for my harsh tone above.

   
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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2012, 12:08:55 PM »

Hello.  I am not of the Greek nationality, but I do belong to a Greek Orthodox Church and wish to welcome you to the forum.
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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2012, 12:13:55 PM »

Orthodoxy is a 100% Greek invention.

No it is not...


You cannot become gay... They gave us everything...

What on earth? LOL
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WOW, where to you live.....IN my big fat greek wedding??!?!?

You don't think the initial posts in this thread were eerily reminiscent of that movie?

Where I live most of the Greeks are not like that. However, a lot of the Greeks I know from Greece, many of whom are good friends of mine, literally can't go a single conversation without mentioning how many Greek loanwords there are in the English language, or something similar. Last time I went to Mount Athos, a pilgrim there spent an hour explaining to me how "the Greek language is the only language in the world where the meaning is in the word." Now, most of them don't say it with arrogance and are just keen to share their culture with you, which is why I don't really mind. They just don't realise how incredibly patronising and tedious it is for those who have to listen to it over and over again.
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Michał...I love this post!
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« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2012, 12:22:50 PM »

BTW: reading this Greek bashing thread i realise what you guys are saying is.....projection.

Do you realise in Greece they HATE Americans and anything American? and do you know why? it because of what you have just been accusing the Greeks of.
You have been accusing the Greeks of being, or thingking they are better then others.
yet....that is what annoys the hell out of other countries abt the Americans. that is why America has become the villain/bully of the world!

The fact is the Greeks did invent all the things you Americans wish you had invented but were to busy with your thumb up your bum at the time?

I think you are just jealous of the fact that the Greeks invented/gave the world all this knowledge and there is no way of denying it?
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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2012, 12:26:35 PM »

BTW: reading this Greek bashing thread i realise what you guys are saying is.....projection.

Do you realise in Greece they HATE Americans and anything American? and do you know why? it because of what you have just been accusing the Greeks of.
You have been accusing the Greeks of being, or thingking they are better then others.
yet....that is what annoys the hell out of other countries abt the Americans. that is why America has become the villain/bully of the world!

The fact is the Greeks did invent all the things you Americans wish you had invented but were to busy with your thumb up your bum at the time?

I think you are just jealous of the fact that the Greeks invented/gave the world all this knowledge and there is no way of denying it?

American in-your-face patriotism is no less annoying or patronising. Greeks are by no means the only people who are guilty of this, it's simply that, in Orthodox circles, the Greek variety is the one one most often encounters.
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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2012, 12:27:52 PM »

BTW: reading this Greek bashing thread i realise what you guys are saying is.....projection.

Do you realise in Greece they HATE Americans and anything American? and do you know why? it because of what you have just been accusing the Greeks of.
You have been accusing the Greeks of being, or thingking they are better then others.
yet....that is what annoys the hell out of other countries abt the Americans. that is why America has become the villain/bully of the world!

The fact is the Greeks did invent all the things you Americans wish you had invented but were to busy with your thumb up your bum at the time?

I think you are just jealous of the fact that the Greeks invented/gave the world all this knowledge and there is no way of denying it?


American superior complex vs. Greek superior complex.

I'm going to buy some chips and beer.
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« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2012, 12:31:02 PM »

We all know what the best nationality is...

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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2012, 12:33:00 PM »

BTW: reading this Greek bashing thread i realise what you guys are saying is.....projection.

Do you realise in Greece they HATE Americans and anything American? and do you know why? it because of what you have just been accusing the Greeks of.
You have been accusing the Greeks of being, or thingking they are better then others.
yet....that is what annoys the hell out of other countries abt the Americans. that is why America has become the villain/bully of the world!

The fact is the Greeks did invent all the things you Americans wish you had invented but were to busy with your thumb up your bum at the time?

Yet, you are assuming everyone here is American. laugh

But to be honest, both Americans and Greeks have superiority complexes. lol


I think you are just jealous of the fact that the Greeks invented/gave the world all this knowledge and there is no way of denying it?

Really...? Roll Eyes

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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2012, 12:37:35 PM »

BTW: reading this Greek bashing thread i realise what you guys are saying is.....projection.

Do you realise in Greece they HATE Americans and anything American? and do you know why? it because of what you have just been accusing the Greeks of.
You have been accusing the Greeks of being, or thingking they are better then others.
yet....that is what annoys the hell out of other countries abt the Americans. that is why America has become the villain/bully of the world!

The fact is the Greeks did invent all the things you Americans wish you had invented but were to busy with your thumb up your bum at the time?

I think you are just jealous of the fact that the Greeks invented/gave the world all this knowledge and there is no way of denying it?

Yet, you are assuming everyone here is American. laugh

But to be honest, they both have superiority complexes. lol

NO, i know everyont here is not american!
But im greek/american and i was reffering to the two things i know---greeks and american.
and a strong yes-----they definitly both have superiority comlexes!
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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2012, 12:39:08 PM »

BUT the fact still remains




GREEKS INVENTED EVERYTING
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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2012, 12:39:52 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN_NdQ6QjLI

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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2012, 12:41:54 PM »

BUT the fact still remains




GREEKS INVENTED EVERYTING

said Mr. Portokalis
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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2012, 02:44:44 PM »

American superior complex vs. Greek superior complex.

I'm going to buy some chips and beer.

+1

We all know what the best nationality is...

This is silly. Even Newsweek knows that Finland is the best country in the World.
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« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2012, 02:55:03 PM »

I love Greece, especially Thessaloniki. But I cannot accept to call Orthodoxy an "invention" - it is the truth from God.

As for mentioning the religion in the ID, this was actually a Turkish invention - according to the Ottoman millet system, the religion constituted also a legal status, since many areas of law were governed by the individual millet. That is why the religion was mentioned in the ID. This is still the case in some countries of the former Ottoman Empire today, such as Turkey (in spite of its laicist constitution), Egypt and Israel. In Greece, this custom also was maintained after indepedence, until it was abolished a few years ago, according to European Union regulations.

I don't think our faith depends on the mention in an ID card. The apostles didn't have any ID ards at all, and still they had faith.
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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2012, 03:00:22 PM »

This is silly. Even Newsweek knows that Finland is the best country in the World.

I don't know what's to be proud of in being Finnish (Kalevala? Nokia phones that used to be popular?), except maybe the fact that the Russians consider you hard drinkers...and 'pride' might be the wrong term for that.  Wink

This thread is hilarious, though. Nobody cares that you're Greek but you. I mean, I like gyros and all, but come on.
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« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2012, 03:09:37 PM »

Get real. Everyone knows the best ethnic group are Belarusians from Podlachia, then Belarusians from Lićva and only then other nations (Russians being last on the list, and Ukrainians - last but one).
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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2012, 04:22:41 PM »

This is silly. Even Newsweek knows that Finland is the best country in the World.

I don't know what's to be proud of in being Finnish (Kalevala? Nokia phones that used to be popular?), except maybe the fact that the Russians consider you hard drinkers...and 'pride' might be the wrong term for that.  Wink

Perkele! Is outrage! Here's all the proof of our greatness that you could ever want to. For instance we are proud of our beautiful women. LizaSymonenko can keep her Ukie girls. Here's what we have:



Also, akimori makoto can keep his average Greek males. This is what we have:


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« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2012, 04:40:44 PM »

American superior complex vs. Greek superior complex.

I'm going to buy some chips and beer.

+1

We all know what the best nationality is...

This is silly. Even Newsweek knows that Finland is the best country in the World.
LOL. Maybe that is connected with its folding this year.

Actually, Finnish tolerance is the only tolerance I've not only tolerated, but admired.
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