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« on: November 02, 2012, 04:45:52 PM »

Annual Assembly of the Canonical Orthodox Metropolitans, Archbishops and Bishops of South-America
Caracas, Venezuela, November 06th and 07th, 2012

(Titles are literal translations from Spanish)

Ecumenical Patriarchate: His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Metropolitan Archbishop Athenagoras and His Grace Bishop Pancratios; His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Metropolitan Archbishop Tarasios and His Grace Bishop ; His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Metropolitan Archbishop Jeremias.

Moscow Patriarchate: His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Archbishop Justinian (Administrator).

Serbian Patriarchate: His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Metropolitan Archbishop Ampilohije (Administrator).

Romenian Patriarchate:His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Metropolitan Archbishop Nicolae.

Polish Orthodox Church: His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Archbishop Crisóstomo and His Grace Most Reverend Bishop Ambrósio.

Tuesday, November 6th, 2012
Opening with Divine Liturgy
9 - 10 am Father PATER EMMANOUIL REMUDAKIS.
Welcome all!

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Comunidad Ortodoxa Griega Caracas
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 04:49:19 PM »

No Antiochians and ROCOR?

ROCOR bishop lives in Caracas, doesn't he?
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2012, 04:54:35 PM »

I think the HQ of ROCOR is in Buenos Aires despite the title. I wouldn't want to live in Venezuela right now either. Smiley

And yes, their absences is a mistery to me as well.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 06:33:29 PM »

Welcome breakfast for the bishops. The South American Assembly seems to be more fun than the others. Smiley

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 07:02:43 PM »

I think the HQ of ROCOR is in Buenos Aires despite the title. I wouldn't want to live in Venezuela right now either. Smiley

And yes, their absences is a mistery to me as well.
At least they invited the Poles this time.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 07:04:01 PM »

True. I'm sure that if Antioch and ROCOR didn't go it must be because they couldn't.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 04:21:15 AM »

Their meeting hasn't occurred yet; it's scheduled to convene next week.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 06:43:29 AM »

Pictures of the Divine Liturgy on Nov 4th, 2012

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 06:45:26 AM »

Some more
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 01:02:41 PM »

Why are only EP hierarchs present?
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 01:05:33 PM »

Why are only EP hierarchs present?

That's on Sunday. I suppose they arrived early. The actual assembly is occurring as we speak.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 07:49:00 PM »

Here they are all together.

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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 07:50:00 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 07:56:57 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2012, 08:01:22 PM »

Nice, thanks.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 08:32:03 PM »

Who are the two bishops from the right of the group picture (between abps Athenagoras and Jeremiah)?
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 08:54:20 PM »

Don't know, but must be among this three:

Moscow Patriarchate: His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Archbishop Justinian (Administrator).

Serbian Patriarchate: His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Metropolitan Archbishop Ampilohije (Administrator).

Romenian Patriarchate:His Most Excellent and Most Reverend Metropolitan Archbishop Nicolae.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 09:01:31 PM »

Archbishop Justinian is the 4th from the right. The one below (from the ones in question) might be Archbishop Nicholas. However no one there resembles Metropolitan Amphilochius at all.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2012, 07:53:26 AM »

More info (but still not much):

http://www.ruschurchusa.org/ru/news/574
http://www.ruschurchusa.org/ru/news/575
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2012, 08:02:43 AM »

I just read in Facebook that the Fourth Assembly will happen in my city, Curitiba. That will be very interesting. But I'll wait to confirm.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2012, 10:32:51 AM »



http://www.romfea.gr/diafora-ekklisiastika/14448-2012-11-08-18-15-04

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Οι Συνέλευση όρισε η επόμενη συνάντηση να λάβει χώρα στην πόλη Curitiba της Βραζιλίας, κατόπιν ευγενής πρόσκλησης του Πανιερ. Αρχιεπισκόπου Ασπένδου κ. Ιερεμία. (Οικ. Πατρ.).

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The Assembly appointed the next meeting to take place in Curitiba, Brazil, at the invitation of the noble sacrosanct. Αρχιεπισκόπου Ασπένδου κ. Ιερεμία. Archbishop Aspendos Mr. Jeremiah. (Οικ. Πατρ.). (Ecumenical Patr.).


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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2012, 10:48:56 AM »

Orthodox Churches in Curitiba


Igreja Ortodoxa Antioquina São Jorge (Antiochian)
http://goo.gl/maps/Xmqpv (Google Maps)
Pároco: Pe. Jorge Rosá
R. Brigadeiro Franco, 3750 - CEP: 80430-210 - Curitiba / PR
http://www.igrejasaojorge.com.br


Igreja São Savas (Greek)
http://goo.gl/maps/JtH10 (Google Maps)
Rua Com. Lustoza de Andrade, 198
CEP: 80520-350 - Bom Retiro -
Curitiba - PR (Brasil)
Arcipreste Panaguiotis Meintanis


Catedral de São Demétrio (Ukrainian)
http://goo.gl/maps/A7w8k (Google Maps)
Av Cândido Hartmann, 1278 / 1310 - Bigorrilho
Curitiba - PR (Brasil)
CEP 80710-570


Paróquia São Miguel Arcanjo (Ukrainian)
http://goo.gl/maps/QsSGI
Rua Paraíba, 2969 - Vila Guaíra.
Curitiba - PR.
CEP 80630-000
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2012, 11:05:36 AM »

Some landmarks of the city

The Roman Cathedral Our Lady of Light, reportedly built at the very spot of the first settlement:



The Ukrainian Memorial (most Ukrainians in Brazil are Roman Catholic)


Japan Square


Oscar Niemeyer Museum or "The Eye Museum" (this one is in my "backyard")


The Botanical Garden


Capivara mother and cub enjoy a lazy afternoon in Barigui Park, just near the Ukrainian Cathedral



This cayman was abandoned in the park, nobody knows by whom. It just stays there among the new pals and eats some fish and birds on occasion


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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2012, 11:22:33 AM »

John Bull Pub


Salinte Pub


Madero Gourmet Burgers


Ribs, a local favorite with several 24/7 rib restaurants around the city


Anyone up for a forum meeting in Curitiba? Cheesy
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2012, 06:07:45 PM »

^ dude I would!!!

How is the crime down there?
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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2012, 06:42:55 PM »

^ dude I would!!!

How is the crime down there?

In this city, it seems pretty low to me, since I come from Rio. Here violent crimes are restricted to very poor districts. In the central and touristic areas I've never hear of anything much worse than the usual pickpocket, but I guess that happens everywhere.
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2012, 07:35:15 PM »

And by the way, it is not very common either.
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2012, 09:40:23 PM »

Can Orthodox in Brazil eat capybaras during fasting periods?

Are those men in button-up shirts bishops?
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« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2012, 10:23:17 AM »

Beavers used to be considered lenten food in Poland.
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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2012, 10:43:16 AM »

Capybara meat is considered exotic even here. Very rare places have it and it's very expensive.

The ones in the park are protected though (we believe. Smiley )

Although one may wonder why eating a giant rodent would be inviting. Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2012, 11:27:03 AM »

Beavers used to be considered lenten food in Poland.
The same was (is?) true here in Canada as well - certainly under the French régime. I think that they were considered primarily water creatures and therefore more akin to fish than to other mammals.
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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2012, 11:34:03 AM »

Capybara meat is considered exotic even here. Very rare places have it and it's very expensive.

The ones in the park are protected though (we believe. Smiley )

Although one may wonder why eating a giant rodent would be inviting. Smiley
Capybaras make good pets. When we were in Paraguay, we had neighbours who had one. It often visited us. Very friendly, but smelled a bit like slightly rancid bacon.

People do eat other rodents, e.g. rabbits. Skunks are generally avoided  Cheesy.

And referring to another post of yours, I wish I could afford to get to Brazil in 2014, but sadly, I don't see that happening.
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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2012, 12:19:31 PM »

Got me there! Had forgotten about the rabbits! Cheesy
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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2012, 12:53:42 PM »

Beavers used to be considered lenten food in Poland.

Really!?  wouldn't happen to have a link on that would you?!
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« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2012, 04:34:54 PM »

Beavers used to be considered lenten food in Poland.

Really!?  wouldn't happen to have a link on that would you?!

Actually, only beaver tails since they are covered with scales.

http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,65705,10869215,Po_staropolsku__Postny_ogon_z_bobra_i_bigos_bez_kapusty.html
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Beavers used to be considered lenten food in Poland.

Really!?  wouldn't happen to have a link on that would you?!

Actually, only beaver tails since they are covered with scales.

http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,65705,10869215,Po_staropolsku__Postny_ogon_z_bobra_i_bigos_bez_kapusty.html

Also, American Catholics used to eat muskrats on Fridays.
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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2012, 09:26:51 PM »

Beavers used to be considered lenten food in Poland.

Really!?  wouldn't happen to have a link on that would you?!

Actually, only beaver tails since they are covered with scales.

http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,65705,10869215,Po_staropolsku__Postny_ogon_z_bobra_i_bigos_bez_kapusty.html

Also, American Catholics used to eat muskrats on Fridays.

This is just all kinds if awesome
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« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2012, 08:21:30 PM »

MOAR info:
http://www.romarch.org/news.php?id=3613
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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2012, 02:21:53 PM »

So, something did happen regarding the Antiochians. Let's hope it's soon solved.

The directory will be a blessing against the many Twistodox in the region.

I also have great hopes for the translation committee.

Bigorrilho is the burrough of the Ukrainian Cathedral, near the capybara's Barigui Park. It's also known as Champagnat.


In Portuguese, just in case someone passes by:

Sua Eminência Arcebispo Nicolae participou da Assembleia dos Bispos Ortodoxos Canônicos da América do Sul nos dias 06 e 07 de novembro de 2012 que ocorreu em Caracas, Venezuela. Esta foi a terceira reunião dos hierarcas. A primeira ocorreu em São Paulo (2010)e a segunda em Buenos Aires (2011). A Assembleia foi organizada pela paróquia ortodoxa grega de Caracas. Depois de oficiar a Divina Liturgia, o primeiro item da agenda foi a mediação de SE Metropolita Tarásios da Metropolia Grega de Buenos Aires e América do Sul, sobre o trabalho em conjunto e o ministério pastoral-espiritual na Igreja de Cristo. SE Metropolita Atenágoras da Metropolia Grega do México e América Central, Presidente da Assembleia, explicou então em detalhes o diálogo com os bispos da Igreja Antioquena em paróquias da América do Sul a respeito da participação na Assembleia. Os representantes das jurisdições ortodoxas presentes (cinco de seis) lamentaram a não participação dos bispos antioquenos e decidiram enviar uma carta sobre o assunto.

Os trabalhos continuaram estabelecendo quatro comitês de trabalho para a Assembleia: (1) O Comitê que irá criar o Diretório de padres e paróquias canônicas da América do Sul; (2) O Comitê para o registro da Assembleia dos Bispos na Argentina; (3) O Comitê para traduções, responsável por compilar uma lista de livros de culto e catecismo disponíveis para o Espanhol e o Português; (4) O comitê para relações Inter-Religiosas.

No contexto dos eventos no mundo ortodoxo, os membros compuseram uma carta de condolências pela passagem para a eternidade de Sua Beatitude Máximo da Igreja Ortodoxa Búlgara e uma carta de congratulações para o Metropolita Platão da Igreja Ortodoxa Russa, um ex-membro da Assembleia, e que celebrou 30 anos de serviço ministerial. Também foi estabelecido que a data da próxima Assembleia serão os dias 6 e 7 de novembro de 2013, no Bigorrilho, Curitiba, Brasil.
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2012, 03:51:29 PM »

I've read something about this Assembly in Serbian, as for some time there is also Serbian diocese. But new has appeared in the Serbian source. Maybe it's just nothing to add?


So, something did happen regarding the Antiochians. Let's hope it's soon solved.

The absence of the Antiochians is very strange for me, as they're so active in Latin America. And I know from time to time their bishops and clergy meet with clergymen from other jurisdictions and serve together Divine Liturgy or even use the same churches.

The directory will be a blessing against the many Twistodox in the region.

Indeed, it will be. And I think generally such meetings are very important, to show the true Orthodox Church. So it's  a bit strange for me that there was no almost any reportage/text about it in Spanish and Portuguese. These meetings are most important for Spanish- and Portuguese-speakers, that so often are not aware who is Orthodox and who is not.

I also have great hopes for the translation committee.
Me too. Well, actually I think there are quite a lot translations (at least into Spanish) of liturgical texts, I know that also Serbian Church is working on translations of st. Nicholas Velimirovic and other Its saints books. But as for the liturgical texts, is standardizing (unification) of the translations. Orthodoxy has not been existing in this area of the world long time, but for today every jurisdiction has its own translation and they differ. For personale usage we can tolerate it, but not for official Church services.

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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2012, 06:20:38 PM »

I don't get one thing. Here there is written that these committees were created on the II Assembly. Or maybe Google Translate fooled me?
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2012, 08:22:50 PM »

I don't get one thing. Here there is written that these committees were created on the II Assembly. Or maybe Google Translate fooled me?


Indeed, some were created in the 2nd according to the report. In the 2nd Assembly the Committees were (1) To create the directory; (2) to assess liturgical practices in Latin America; (3) and Translation.

They must have changed the committees.
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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2013, 12:56:57 PM »

I've read something about this Assembly in Serbian, as for some time there is also Serbian diocese. But new has appeared in the Serbian source. Maybe it's just nothing to add?

There is a Serbian mission mainly in the Northeast of the country. They are under the US Serbian Diocese of the East. I learned they sent a priest this year to serve the Serbian community in São Paulo. He's been using an Antiochian parish that had been abandoned.

The absence of the Antiochians is very strange for me, as they're so active in Latin America. And I know from time to time their bishops and clergy meet with clergymen from other jurisdictions and serve together Divine Liturgy or even use the same churches.

I  heard it's related to a dispute over a parish in Chile.  It seems that a group of Palestinian Orthodox Christians have been using an originally Greek parish there and the Antiochians demand the parish is handed over to them, while the Greeks say the parish belongs to them. Also, for some reason, it seems said Palestinians would rather be under the Greeks than under the Antochians. Because of this, the Antiochians refuse to take part in the Assembly for they feel they are being usurped of their flock. They'd only participate if the parish is given to them. Now, undersand this is all "high" politics. Most of the lay people don't even know about the assemblies, much less of this sort of problem. Then again, it may be hearsay, so let's take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying this is what the problem is, just that it is the rumours going around here.
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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2013, 02:33:52 PM »

I've read something about this Assembly in Serbian, as for some time there is also Serbian diocese. But new has appeared in the Serbian source. Maybe it's just nothing to add?

There is a Serbian mission mainly in the Northeast of the country. They are under the US Serbian Diocese of the East. I learned they sent a priest this year to serve the Serbian community in São Paulo. He's been using an Antiochian parish that had been abandoned.

The absence of the Antiochians is very strange for me, as they're so active in Latin America. And I know from time to time their bishops and clergy meet with clergymen from other jurisdictions and serve together Divine Liturgy or even use the same churches.

I  heard it's related to a dispute over a parish in Chile.  It seems that a group of Palestinian Orthodox Christians have been using an originally Greek parish there and the Antiochians demand the parish is handed over to them, while the Greeks say the parish belongs to them. Also, for some reason, it seems said Palestinians would rather be under the Greeks than under the Antochians. Because of this, the Antiochians refuse to take part in the Assembly for they feel they are being usurped of their flock. They'd only participate if the parish is given to them. Now, undersand this is all "high" politics. Most of the lay people don't even know about the assemblies, much less of this sort of problem. Then again, it may be hearsay, so let's take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying this is what the problem is, just that it is the rumours going around here.


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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2013, 08:04:25 AM »

I've read something about this Assembly in Serbian, as for some time there is also Serbian diocese. But new has appeared in the Serbian source. Maybe it's just nothing to add?

There is a Serbian mission mainly in the Northeast of the country. They are under the US Serbian Diocese of the East. I learned they sent a priest this year to serve the Serbian community in São Paulo. He's been using an Antiochian parish that had been abandoned.

Wow, I posted it so long time ago! As for the first sentence, I meant quite recently created Serbian diocese for Latin America, not only for Brail. That's why metropolitan Amfilohije (temporary leading this diocese) one year ago was traveling 2 months across Central and South America. As for the rest, no idea, I see I made some not intentional spelling mistakes (as always, I write too fast). It was probably about the relation from the Assembly


I  heard it's related to a dispute over a parish in Chile.  It seems that a group of Palestinian Orthodox Christians have been using an originally Greek parish there and the Antiochians demand the parish is handed over to them, while the Greeks say the parish belongs to them. Also, for some reason, it seems said Palestinians would rather be under the Greeks than under the Antochians. Because of this, the Antiochians refuse to take part in the Assembly for they feel they are being usurped of their flock. They'd only participate if the parish is given to them. Now, undersand this is all "high" politics. Most of the lay people don't even know about the assemblies, much less of this sort of problem. Then again, it may be hearsay, so let's take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying this is what the problem is, just that it is the rumours going around here.

That's really sad and I can't understand it, as Antiochinas and Palestinians are there for the same reasons: persecutions and economical problems and, what's the most important thing, where is there Orthodox unity?! The should understand it's important to show Orthodox unity and love to attract indigenous people to the true Church of Christ and, because they're not only immigrants, but above all, they're missionaries.
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