I just want to ensure I understand the process here. God gives a message to a prophet. The prophet delivers that message. The people rejoice. But it isn't until thousands of years later that someone figures out what the prophet actually meant to say. Apparently, that prophet couldn't interpret what they meant and said something else. Is this one of those "bad actually means good" things or bible code/riddle scenarios?
You mean like John 6, where everyone immediately perceived what the Lord meant?
I mean like Nebakanezer’s dream. Daniel, the prophet, knew exactly what it meant. God provided that for him. It didn't take a thousand years for some college prep to decide what it meant. But someone Daniels words couldn't, according to some, be interpreted then, like Moses, or Jesus for that matter (Temple destruction) or a great many other prophetic events. Creation wasn’t written as a prophecy, it was written as a historical event. When John the Baptist went around preaching of the coming of the Messiah, could his words not be interpreted for another 1000 years or did people know right then what he meant?
Seriously folks, think about ALL of biblical and church history when you decide what you do and don’t want to believe. Not just bits and pieces. If God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, why do people feel the need to change how He works to fit their ideas? A little consistency would be great.
Your argument is not with us, but with the Fathers.
All of them?
There isn't even one of them who viewed it in a literal sense? Not one?
Did a little fast action research and look what I found.The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and IrenaeusChapter XV.—The false and the true Sabbath.
also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, “And sanctify ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart.”1655
And He says in another place, “If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them.”1656
The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: “And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.”1657
Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is1658
with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth,1659
saying, “Behold, to-day1660
will be as a thousand years.”1661
Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. “And He rested on the seventh day.” This meaneth: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man,1662
and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon,1663
and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.Irenaeus
, Bishop of Lyons, was a disciple of Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna, a disciple of the Apostle John, speaks of a literal Adam and Eve as he wrote:
“For it is said, 'There was made in the evening, and there was made in the morning, one day.' Now in this same day that they did eat, in that also did they die.”
He also speaks of a literal six-day Creation:
“And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works. This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.”Hippolytus
, Bishop of Portus, was a student of Irenaeus, and wrote:
“And six thousand years must needs be accomplished… for 'a day with the Lord is as a thousand years.' Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that 6,000 years must be fulfilled.”Augustine
“fewer than 6,000 years have passed since man’s first origin,”
When he wrote City of God, he stated
“The world was in fact made with time, if at the time of its creation change and motion came into existence. This is clearly the situation in the order of the first six or seven days, in which morning and evening are named, until God’s creation was finished on the sixth day, and on the seventh day God’s rest is emphasized as something conveying a mystic meaning. What kind of days these are is difficult or even impossible for us to imagine, to say nothing of describing them.
In our experience, of course, the days with which we are familiar only have an evening because the sun sets, and a morning because the sun rises; whereas those first three days passed without the sun, which was made, we are told, on the fourth day. The narrative does indeed tell that light was created by God…. But what kind of light that was, and with what alternating movement the distinction was made, and what was the nature of this evening and this morning; these are questions beyond the scope of our sensible experience. We cannot understand what happened as it is presented to us; and yet we must believe it without hesitation.”
In reference to Adam and Eve, Jesus
“But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female”Theophilus
referencing Adam and Eve:
Man, therefore, God made on the sixth day, and made known this creation after the seventh day, when also He made Paradise, that he might be in a better and distinctly superior place. And that this is true, the fact itself proves. For how can one miss seeing that the pains which women suffer in childbed, and the oblivion of their labours which they afterwards enjoy, are sent in order that the word of God may be fulfilled, and that the race of men may increase and multiply? And do we not see also the judgment of the serpent, — how hatefully he crawls on his belly and eats the dust, — that we may have this, too, for a proof of the things which were said aforetime?
He even added up the time from Adam until the flood as 2242 years and 3278 years when Abraham begat Issac. 3278 years from the Creation of Adam until Issac.Clement of Alexandria
For the creation of the world was concluded in six days. For the motion of the sun from solstice to solstice is completed in six months – in the course of which, at one time the leaves fall, and at another plants bud and seeds come to maturity. And they say that the embryo is perfected exactly in the sixth month, that is, in one hundred and eighty days in addition to the two and a half, as Polybus the physician relates in his book On the Eighth Month, and Aristotle the philosopher in his book On Nature. Hence the Pythagoreans, as I think, reckon six the perfect number, from the creation of the world.Lactantius
, a scholar who tutored Emperor Constantine’s son, Crispus, wrote:
“Therefore, since all the works of God were completed in six days, the world must continue in its present state through six ages, that is, six thousand years.”
Plato and many others of the philosophers, since they were ignorant of the origin of all things, and of that primal period at which the world was made, said that many thousands of ages had passed since this beautiful arrangement of the world was completed; foolishly saythat they possess comprised in their memorials four hundred and seventy thousand years; in which matter … they believed that they were at liberty to speak falsely. But we, whom the Holy Scriptures instruct to the knowledge of the truth, know the beginning and the end of the world … Therefore let the philosophers, who enumerate thousands of ages from the beginning of the world, know that the six thousandth year is not yet completed, and that when this number is completed the consummation must take place, and the condition of human affairs be remodeled for the better, the proof of which must first be related, that the matter itself may be plain. God completed the world and this admirable work of nature in the space of six days, as is contained in the secrets of Holy Scripture, and consecrated the seventh day, on which He had rested from His works.Victorinus
To me, as I meditate and consider in my mind concerning the creation of this world in which we are kept enclosed, even such is the rapidity of that creation; as is contained in the book of Moses, which he wrote about its creation, and which is called Genesis. God produced that entire mass for the adornment of His majesty in six days; on the seventh to which He consecrated it … In the beginning God made the light, and divided it in the exact measure of twelve hours by day and by night, for this reason…
So it appears I am not really in argument with the Fathers at all. Much of it is available in the Christian Classics Ethereal Library if you want to look it up.