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Offline William

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Halloween
« on: October 31, 2012, 05:43:18 PM »
Does the WR do All Saints' Day November 1 and, as a consequence, have an Eve of All Saints?
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Re: Halloween
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 11:26:34 PM »
Yes.
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Re: Halloween
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 11:58:06 PM »
Since the 8th century, the feast of All Saints has been set in the West on Nov. 1. All Souls is Nov. 2--the day to pray for all the dead, like the Eastern Meatfare Saturday.
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Re: Halloween
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 12:29:37 AM »
Since the 8th century, the feast of All Saints has been set in the West on Nov. 1. All Souls is Nov. 2--the day to pray for all the dead, like the Eastern Meatfare Saturday.

Cool. How would the vespers service on October 31 go?
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Re: Halloween
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 12:51:54 AM »
Since the 8th century, the feast of All Saints has been set in the West on Nov. 1. All Souls is Nov. 2--the day to pray for all the dead, like the Eastern Meatfare Saturday.

Cool. How would the vespers service on October 31 go?

It would depend on which rite it is (Gregorian, Tikhonian, Sarum, Benedictine, Mozarabic, Ambrosian, Celtic...)

Benedictine vespers starts with Psalms, which are heralded by special festal antiphons like:

Antiphon 1: I beheld a great multitude which no man could number, of all nations, standing before the throne. (The Western rites use Revelation liturically for its beautiful imagery.)

Then there is the hymn "Christe Redeptor omnium," which asks for the intercessions of all the saints.

And then the collect: "Almighty everlasting God, by whose favor we venerate the merits of all thy Saints in one solemnity: we beseech thee to bestow upon us, through so many intercessors, the abundance of thy mercy which we desire."

Meritas in Latin needs to be understood separately from the Reformation era argument, as it predates it by many centuries.
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Re: Halloween
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 10:49:22 PM »
Does this impact the debate about celebrating Halloween at all?
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Re: Halloween
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2012, 01:08:15 PM »
Does this impact the debate about celebrating Halloween at all?

Which Halloween are we talking about? The modern trick-or-treating idiocy or the Christian holiday?
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Re: Halloween
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2012, 06:53:46 PM »
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Cool. How would the vespers service on October 31 go?
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Specifically the details of pre-16th c. Vespers for All Saints (Sarum use)
 are on pages 523-531  (aka pages 223*-231*) of this document:

https://www.box.com/s/v3rxz8w1dua0fwyo89nj

The details of the whole Office for All Souls (and funerals) from same source and time is found here:

https://www.box.com/s/ett3e9zlj07vgsbmmdn9
https://www.box.com/s/byncuc31xv4vcqick1yj

A recording of the antiphons for magnificat for the day is found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYgUwrH-X_c&list=PL85DED3BA44FF07D8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16FiUs2JcL8

Nice as they are, the person singing in the recording has in fact made significant improvements in vocal technique since that time, 2 years ago.

« Last Edit: November 03, 2012, 07:01:43 PM by Christopher McAvoy »
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