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"Continuing its strategy of delivering exceptional creative content to audiences around the world, The Walt Disney Company has agreed to acquire Lucasfilm Ltd. in a stock and cash transaction. Lucasfilm is 100% owned by Lucasfilm Chairman and Founder, George Lucas. Under the terms of the agreement and based on the closing price of Disney stock on October 26, 2012, the transaction value is $4.05 billion, with Disney paying approximately half of the consideration in cash and issuing approximately 40 million shares at closing. The final consideration will be subject to customary post-closing balance sheet adjustments..." Full article: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=69442This news is appearing on normal news sites like abc news, so I think its legit. Not sure I even know what to say... Another Star Wars movie???
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 04:15:01 PM » |
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I'm wondering if they'll use material from the Timothy Zahn books... In any case, I really have ceased to care about what Lucas and co. do to Star Wars. I enjoy the original trilogy but I think their greatness has been way overinflated.
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"Continuing its strategy of delivering exceptional creative content to audiences around the world, The Walt Disney Company has agreed to acquire Lucasfilm Ltd. in a stock and cash transaction. Lucasfilm is 100% owned by Lucasfilm Chairman and Founder, George Lucas. Under the terms of the agreement and based on the closing price of Disney stock on October 26, 2012, the transaction value is $4.05 billion, with Disney paying approximately half of the consideration in cash and issuing approximately 40 million shares at closing. The final consideration will be subject to customary post-closing balance sheet adjustments..." Full article: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=69442This news is appearing on normal news sites like abc news, so I think its legit. Not sure I even know what to say... Another Star Wars movie??? If true, that makes very little sense. Prequel to all of them? In between? Sequel? The EU & canon is pretty locked down now, so there isn't too much they can do other than just use what has already been in books and comics.
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I'm wondering if they'll use material from the Timothy Zahn books... In any case, I really have ceased to care about what Lucas and co. do to Star Wars. I enjoy the original trilogy but I think their greatness has been way overinflated.
I think the first two were really good though the Ewoks kinda screwed the pooch. Not going to get into the other three abortions.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 04:21:07 PM » |
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This probably also gives Disney a lot more rights to Indiana Jones.
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I'm wondering if they'll use material from the Timothy Zahn books... In any case, I really have ceased to care about what Lucas and co. do to Star Wars. I enjoy the original trilogy but I think their greatness has been way overinflated.
I think the first two were really good though the Ewoks kinda screwed the pooch. Not going to get into the other three abortions. Yes, the prequels were just about the worst thing that ever happened to a movie ever. However, if Disney keeps Lucas at lest 50 feet away from the script of episode 7, at all times, this might turn out well.
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This probably also gives Disney a lot more rights to Indiana Jones.
Hopefully. Because The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was another (as you stated) "abortion".
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 04:29:25 PM » |
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This probably also gives Disney a lot more rights to Indiana Jones.
Hopefully. Because The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was another (as you stated) "abortion". I didn't state it was an abortion, I think it was vamrat. I really need to change my avatar because it confuses me too. I liked the prequels, but Ep 1 & 2 weren't quite that good, I liked Ep. 3 though. I hope they are just calling it Episode 7 as a preliminary title. Maybe they'll do a series around the KOTOR era or the later Legacy era. ___________________________________ They do need to keep Lucas at arms length, but they also need to hold strictly to the Star Wars canon, otherwise this will not work at all.
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This probably also gives Disney a lot more rights to Indiana Jones.
Hopefully. Because The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was another (as you stated) "abortion". I didn't state it was an abortion, I think it was vamrat. I really need to change my avatar because it confuses me too. I liked the prequels, but Ep 1 & 2 weren't quite that good, I liked Ep. 3 though. I hope they are just calling it Episode 7 as a preliminary title. Maybe they'll do a series around the KOTOR era or the later Legacy era. ___________________________________ They do need to keep Lucas at arms length, but they also need to hold strictly to the Star Wars canon, otherwise this will not work at all. Agreed on all counts. First - I was planning on changing mine at some point since we will never replace Fr. Ambrose no matter how many look like him, I just haven't decided on which Napoleonic cavalryman I will replace it with. Second, I am a sucker for anything KOTOR so would definitely see it, especially if some random Sith decided to go all chopsaki on Gungans. That would be awesome. Third - George Luca should be kept in a gestation crate to come up with very general ideas and then left in the dark until the movie can be produced without his malevolent interference.
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I'm wondering if they'll use material from the Timothy Zahn books... In any case, I really have ceased to care about what Lucas and co. do to Star Wars. I enjoy the original trilogy but I think their greatness has been way overinflated.
I think the first two were really good though the Ewoks kinda screwed the pooch. Not going to get into the other three abortions. Yes, the prequels were just about the worst thing that ever happened to a movie ever. However, if Disney keeps Lucas at lest 50 feet away from the script of episode 7, at all times, this might turn out well. No. Lucas. Yes. Life is good.
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2012, 05:35:49 PM » |
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Lucas had his time and place. It coincided with the lifespan of the original Atari VCS.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2012, 05:42:15 PM » |
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Would this cover the kids of Han and Leia, and also Luke's child by I forgot who?
Luke had a child with Mara Jade who was a sith turned Jedi.
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My concern is this: It's not Star Wars without the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning. It's just not.
In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
It could easily be expanded into an adventure with the rest of the cast (pity they're all too old now, though not prohibitively). I've never gotten into the Expanded Universe stuff, so as far as I'm concerned it's not canon. I'd be up for an alternate storyline. While I haven't read much EU stuff, I'm not a fan of most concepts I've heard about.
I'm fine with Lucas writing the initial draft and giving creative input, but by Walt Disney's pencil, don't let that man direct it. It could be amazing. Empire was amazing.
My friends are excited that now we may finally see the original versions on Bluray. Although Disney has that notorious Vault, so they're as stingy about their films as Lucas is.
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2012, 08:18:55 PM » |
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In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker. 2 out of 3 actually happened... I've never gotten into the Expanded Universe stuff, so as far as I'm concerned it's not canon. I'd be up for an alternate storyline.
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My concern is this: It's not Star Wars without the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning. It's just not.
In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
And long before then, Lucas claimed to have a 9 episode arc in mind.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2012, 08:45:05 PM » |
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My concern is this: It's not Star Wars without the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning. It's just not.
In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
And long before then, Lucas claimed to have a 9 episode arc in mind. Indeed. I sincerely hope that man does not believe his own press on the history of the Star Wars storyline...
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2012, 08:49:27 PM » |
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My concern is this: It's not Star Wars without the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning. It's just not.
In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
And long before then, Lucas claimed to have a 9 episode arc in mind. Oh he definitely did. But he must have thought better of it. I'll be seeing it regardless. Even if it was titled Jar Jar's Revenge I'd see it. Lol
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My concern is this: It's not Star Wars without the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning. It's just not.
In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
And long before then, Lucas claimed to have a 9 episode arc in mind. Oh he definitely did. But he must have thought better of it. I'll be seeing it regardless. Even if it was titled Jar Jar's Revenge I'd see it. Lol We star wars fans are like victims of domestic abuse. We always go back for more.
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I guess Disney really wanted a good Sci-Fi franchise, after John Carter bombed, even though I thought it was a fairly decent movie.
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Puke, Luke's son contacts the Force Ghost of Yoda in Dagobah. - What's the secret of the Force, Master Yoda? - Follow your heart, you must! - Follow my heart? What do you mean? - Hmmm...Explain better I will. Some friends I need. Puggy, Laughty, Forcy! (weird but funny animals of the swamp emerge) (Funny voice) - Yes Master Yoda! - Following the heart, this boy doesn't know. (Puggy) - It's easy to follow your heart! (Laughy) - Iac, iac! (melodically) Not for the Sith... (singing) it's starts like a twinkle... Puke - A twinkle? Forcy dancing around Puke - A Twinkle that grows in your heaaaaart... and the Force becomes strong in you! Not like in that old Daaaaarth! 'Coz the Force is strong in you! Puke - In me? (Everybody, including Yoda) - Yes! The Force is strong in this one, if he learns to follow his heart! *musical number starts, the animals and plants of the swamp join in the choir*
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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2012, 09:27:08 PM » |
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My concern is this: It's not Star Wars without the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning. It's just not.
In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
And long before then, Lucas claimed to have a 9 episode arc in mind. Oh he definitely did. But he must have thought better of it. I'll be seeing it regardless. Even if it was titled Jar Jar's Revenge I'd see it. Lol My dream is now to see an epic action adventure movie, where Jar Jar indeed gets his revenge.
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My concern is this: It's not Star Wars without the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning. It's just not.
In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
And long before then, Lucas claimed to have a 9 episode arc in mind. Oh he definitely did. But he must have thought better of it. I'll be seeing it regardless. Even if it was titled Jar Jar's Revenge I'd see it. Lol My dream is now to see an epic action adventure movie, where Jar Jar indeed gets his revenge. Revenge on whom? George Lucas for making him suck?
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In 1999 Lucas said he didn't want to do the sequel trilogy because Vader doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned, and Luke doesn't get married, so there's nothing to make a movie about. The whole arc is the story of Anakin Skywalker.
And long before then, Lucas claimed to have a 9 episode arc in mind. Oh he definitely did. But he must have thought better of it. I'll be seeing it regardless. Even if it was titled Jar Jar's Revenge I'd see it. Lol My dream is now to see an epic action adventure movie, where Jar Jar indeed gets his revenge. Revenge on whom? George Lucas for making him suck? Does it really matter who? I just want to hear "missa m goin to kill yousa for da"
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I hope they make it as awesome as episode 4 and they bring back Qui Gon and Jar Jar and focus on a Jedi vs. Jungan war!
I wish they'd scrap the Episode VII idea and just do a Qui Gon biopic.
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Will we get to see the beautiful natalie portman some more? please say yes...
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2012, 11:56:11 PM » |
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I guess Disney really wanted a good Sci-Fi franchise, after John Carter bombed, even though I thought it was a fairly decent movie.
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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2012, 12:05:38 AM » |
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Will we get to see the beautiful natalie portman some more? please say yes...
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2012, 12:06:52 AM » |
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They made 3 clones of her, portman could play triplet clones in the new movie...
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2012, 12:25:36 AM » |
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They made 3 clones of her, portman could play triplet clones in the new movie...
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2012, 12:27:06 AM » |
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I hope they make it as awesome as episode 4 and they bring back Qui Gon and Jar Jar and focus on a Jedi vs. Jungan war!
I wish they'd scrap the Episode VII idea and just do a Qui Gon biopic. Or maybe, perhaps, expand on the Anakin/Obi Wan relationship...you know, like they should have been doing in the three crappy videos they called prequels. Non-English profanity replaced with something more acceptable for the Public Forum -PtA
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2012, 12:31:44 AM » |
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How about delve into how Anakin Skywalker came to be. He had no father. Was it Darth Sidious's mentor, the one who could manipulate midi chlorins (spelling)?
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2012, 12:32:50 AM » |
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They made 3 clones of her, portman could play triplet clones in the new movie...
They could have her play an adult Jaina Solo (Han & Leia's daughter). Base the movie in the Legacy of the Force era. Have Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill return as their characters. The series is 40 years after ROTJ, so it wouldn't be a problem. Have the focus be on the "new generation" being brought up by the trio and the stories of Anakin, Jacen, Jaina & Ben. Since the original 3 actors are already pretty old now, and wouldn't be doing much in the way of action sequences (this could be fixed with CGI and computer models if needed) it wouldn't be a problem. You could get 4 up and coming actors (2 would have to continue with their characters) and actresses. Just call the new series, "Star Wars: Legacy" Episode 1 would be Legacy of the Force Episode 2 would be Legacy of Vader Episode 3 would be Legacy of the Jedi The first would be focused on an introduction and catchup, the second would be on the turn of an important character to the dark side, the third would lead to the final "conclusion" and consequences of the previous 2. It could set up animated series between Legacy & ROTJ, and movies taking place during and after legacy. They could continue with movies after these are finished and in subsequent productions just have Ford, Fisher & Hamill do short cameos or voice-over work, with the majority of the action focusing on their children. The downside is they'd have to do a lot of catchup explaining the absence of Chewbacca, Mara Jade (Luke's wife) and important planets in the universe. The other downside is 2 out of those 4 actors wouldn't be able to continue with their characters, and the series is also pretty dark at times, with a lot of pain and suffering going on.
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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2012, 01:34:15 AM » |
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The prequels didn't have enough dry politics in them. We need an intense scene where C-3PO is called to testify before the Senate Committee on Protected Systems and Developing Species. (The ewoks are still reeling from their discovery that their god was just a robot made by some kid, and they are demanding billions of credits in developmental opportunity costs.)
Also, a friend of mine suggests the Jonas Bros. could play Luke, Han, and Leia. So we're safe on that front.
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2012, 02:08:47 AM » |
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Disney will ruin the whole thing. They are going to turn it into a family-comedy without the serious depth and philosophical adventure that the original trilogy takes you through.
EDIT: Bring back Mace Windu!!!! He was the coolest character in the whole Star Wars universe and the only Jedi that had Black swag and skills.
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2012, 02:18:11 AM » |
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James I think you are forgetting that Disney has alot of "adult" IPs. Look at the Marvel movies that have come out, and Disney owns Marvel.
Id love to see what Pixar could do with Star Wars.
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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2012, 03:11:57 AM » |
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Doesn't Disney also own ESPN?
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