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Studying Buddhism
« on: October 30, 2012, 03:20:37 PM »
Hello, I'm taking the time to study the Buddhist religion ... Any tips? thanks.

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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 03:24:57 PM »
All I need to know about new age-y Americanized Eastern religions I learned from fortune cookies and 'Confucious says' jokes.

Otherwise, if you are interested in proper Buddhism, Iconodule I believe is the resident expert on Buddhism here.  I have read some on Tibetian/Mongolian Buddhism in reading about Baron von Ungern-Sternberg, and the biography on him - The Bloody White Baron, goes pretty in depth into it.  It is a lot different from the Strip Mall Buddhism you'll find in these parts.  Very interesting folks.
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 03:36:01 PM »

I have tip.....

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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 04:07:15 PM »
You have several Orthodox Christian parishes within an hour's drive from you. I can't imagine there are Buddhist centers any closer. Get yourself more acquainted with the fullness of Truth first and then I'd be happy to talk comparative religion with you.

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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 04:21:00 PM »
Hmm, I think that's the other way around.

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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 06:20:58 PM »
Hello, I'm taking the time to study the Buddhist religion ... Any tips? thanks.
A good place to start (but not necessarily *end*) is Thich Nhat Hanh, and his Being Peace.
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 07:00:06 PM »
I recommend the following:

What the Buddha Taught, by Walpola Rahula
Mindfulness in Plain English, and Eight Mindful Steps to Happiness, by Bhante Gunaratana
In the Buddha's Words - an Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon, compiled and edited by Bhikkhu Bodhi



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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 08:05:40 PM »
Oh, and also The Way of the Bodhisattva by Shantideva, revised edition and translation by the Padmakara Translation Group.
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2012, 09:34:09 AM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2012, 09:40:24 AM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2012, 12:34:12 PM »
For those interested, this video include a koan between a rinzai master and his student. As far as i know, this has only been captured on video a few times in history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRDTBIJ3mFQ&feature=relmfu

And I'm sorry that most people in here won't be able to understand it.
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2012, 02:39:11 PM »
Hello, I'm taking the time to study the Buddhist religion ... Any tips? thanks.
Read actual sutras?
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2012, 02:54:26 PM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.

So why leave?
Apart from moral conduct, all that man thinks himself able to do in order to become acceptable to God is mere superstition and religious folly. - Immanuel Kant

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2012, 03:58:41 PM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.

So why leave?
Because inhabiting the heavens (like inhabiting a physical body) has a time-limit. Eventually, the actions that brought you there lose their power, and you are re-born elsewhere (in the physical world, most likely). Only Nirvana-realization is eternal.
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2012, 05:24:44 PM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.

So why leave?
Because inhabiting the heavens (like inhabiting a physical body) has a time-limit. Eventually, the actions that brought you there lose their power, and you are re-born elsewhere (in the physical world, most likely). Only Nirvana-realization is eternal.

You can't gain positive karma in Heaven?
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2012, 05:31:48 PM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.

So why leave?
Because inhabiting the heavens (like inhabiting a physical body) has a time-limit. Eventually, the actions that brought you there lose their power, and you are re-born elsewhere (in the physical world, most likely). Only Nirvana-realization is eternal.

You can't gain positive karma in Heaven?
Not usually, because the heavenly realms give you everything you want, and you feel content and self-satisfied, thinking "Why should I do anything else? I like it here." Also, everyone else around you is in a similar state, so there's no one less fortunate to help, so you really can't perform positive, selfless actions.

The human world is the best place in which to realize Nirvana, because there is a rough balance of pleasure and pain: enough pleasure to cause you to seek for the pleasure-that-never-ends (Nirvana) and enough pain to keep you discontent with your present situation.
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2012, 05:35:32 PM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.

So why leave?
Because inhabiting the heavens (like inhabiting a physical body) has a time-limit. Eventually, the actions that brought you there lose their power, and you are re-born elsewhere (in the physical world, most likely). Only Nirvana-realization is eternal.

You can't gain positive karma in Heaven?
Not usually, because the heavenly realms give you everything you want, and you feel content and self-satisfied, thinking "Why should I do anything else? I like it here." Also, everyone else around you is in a similar state, so there's no one less fortunate to help, so you really can't perform positive, selfless actions.

The human world is the best place in which to realize Nirvana, because there is a rough balance of pleasure and pain: enough pleasure to cause you to seek for the pleasure-that-never-ends (Nirvana) and enough pain to keep you discontent with your present situation.

Can you and Iconodule teach a Buddhism seminar please?
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2012, 05:42:37 PM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.

So why leave?
Because inhabiting the heavens (like inhabiting a physical body) has a time-limit. Eventually, the actions that brought you there lose their power, and you are re-born elsewhere (in the physical world, most likely). Only Nirvana-realization is eternal.

You can't gain positive karma in Heaven?
Not usually, because the heavenly realms give you everything you want, and you feel content and self-satisfied, thinking "Why should I do anything else? I like it here." Also, everyone else around you is in a similar state, so there's no one less fortunate to help, so you really can't perform positive, selfless actions.

The human world is the best place in which to realize Nirvana, because there is a rough balance of pleasure and pain: enough pleasure to cause you to seek for the pleasure-that-never-ends (Nirvana) and enough pain to keep you discontent with your present situation.

Can you and Iconodule teach a Buddhism seminar please?
Thanks for the vote of confidence.  :)
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2012, 05:50:45 PM »
I've read about -Nirvana- as the Ultimate Reality but what about Heaven? Do we go through gradual stages of Heavenly Xperience ...

Is Heaven confused with Sky Dwelling?....
Buddhist "heavens" are more refined, more pleasurable/blissful realms of samsara.

So why leave?
Because inhabiting the heavens (like inhabiting a physical body) has a time-limit. Eventually, the actions that brought you there lose their power, and you are re-born elsewhere (in the physical world, most likely). Only Nirvana-realization is eternal.

You can't gain positive karma in Heaven?
Not usually, because the heavenly realms give you everything you want, and you feel content and self-satisfied, thinking "Why should I do anything else? I like it here." Also, everyone else around you is in a similar state, so there's no one less fortunate to help, so you really can't perform positive, selfless actions.

The human world is the best place in which to realize Nirvana, because there is a rough balance of pleasure and pain: enough pleasure to cause you to seek for the pleasure-that-never-ends (Nirvana) and enough pain to keep you discontent with your present situation.

Wow. Interesting.

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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 06:25:06 PM »
What happens when the entire universe converts to dark matter and there is no physical realm to be bodily reincarnated???

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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2012, 06:44:10 PM »
What happens when the entire universe converts to dark matter and there is no physical realm to be bodily reincarnated???
This physical realm is not the only realm. There are multiple levels of spiritual realms that one may take birth in, even if the physical realm becomes un-inhabitable. Eventually, though, the physical realm will become habitable once again.
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2012, 09:09:40 PM »
Wonderful so I gotta come back no matter what just fantastic

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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2012, 09:16:39 PM »
I find that Japanese Buddhism and Shinto tend to mix quite a lot, and I always thought it was interesting to study and read about.
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2012, 09:37:03 PM »
Wonderful so I gotta come back no matter what just fantastic
You don't have to come back. This life can be your last.
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2012, 09:42:14 PM »
Wonderful so I gotta come back no matter what just fantastic
You don't have to come back. This life can be your last.

Is there a difference between enlightenment and nirvana?
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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2012, 10:05:16 PM »
Wonderful so I gotta come back no matter what just fantastic
You don't have to come back. This life can be your last.

Is there a difference between enlightenment and nirvana?
'Enlightenment' can mean anything, really, because it has Hindu, Buddhist, as well as even New Age meanings. Buddhists often speak of "awakening" to the Unborn (Nirvana).
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2012, 10:12:08 PM »
Wonderful so I gotta come back no matter what just fantastic
You don't have to come back. This life can be your last.

Is there a difference between enlightenment and nirvana?
'Enlightenment' can mean anything, really, because it has Hindu, Buddhist, as well as even New Age meanings. Buddhists often speak of "awakening" to the Unborn (Nirvana).

How can nirvana be a state of eternal bliss if it is the cessation of the self's existence?
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2012, 10:30:39 PM »
Wonderful so I gotta come back no matter what just fantastic
You don't have to come back. This life can be your last.

Is there a difference between enlightenment and nirvana?
'Enlightenment' can mean anything, really, because it has Hindu, Buddhist, as well as even New Age meanings. Buddhists often speak of "awakening" to the Unborn (Nirvana).

How can nirvana be a state of eternal bliss if it is the cessation of the self's existence?
The separate self is your own creation. It's like you're clenching your fingers together to make a fist. Release the fist, open the hand, and you will see what was always true and already present. The cessation of the self is simply the cessation of one's own clinging and grasping (the 'fist').
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2012, 11:08:44 PM »
Pure Land Buddhism > all others

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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2012, 05:04:55 PM »
Does buddhism really work?
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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2012, 05:23:11 PM »
Does buddhism really work?
Only if it's plugged in.
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2012, 05:26:40 PM »
Does buddhism really work?
Only if it's plugged in.

It doesn`t seem to work for me, though i never seriously invested much into investigating it.. What books can you recomand about Buddhism and the path of Buddhism?

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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2012, 05:28:43 PM »
Does buddhism really work?
Only if it's plugged in.

It doesn`t seem to work for me, though i never seriously invested much into investigating it.. What books can you recomand about Buddhism and the path of Buddhism?


A good place to start is Thich Nhat Hanh, and his Being Peace. Most of his books are pretty good.
If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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Re: Studying Buddhism
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2012, 05:29:16 PM »
Does buddhism really work?
Only if it's plugged in.

It doesn`t seem to work for me, though i never seriously invested much into investigating it.. What books can you recomand about Buddhism and the path of Buddhism?


What did you expect it to do for you?
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2012, 05:31:45 PM »
Bring him peace, maybe ; he seems so tormented !

I'll pray for you Azul.

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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2012, 05:36:47 PM »
Does buddhism really work?
In terms of cultivating calmness, most people would agree that Buddhist practice can work for some/many people, as do other, Christian forms of meditation and cultivation.

Whether Buddhism is a path to the total ending of suffering, and the realization of true joy, people will have different perspectives on that issue.
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2012, 05:43:13 PM »
Does buddhism really work?
In terms of cultivating calmness, most people would agree that Buddhist practice can work for some/many people, as do other, Christian forms of meditation and cultivation.

Whether Buddhism is a path to the total ending of suffering, and the realization of true joy, people will have different perspectives on that issue.

well i am looking for purpose and cessation [from affliction,x,y.z]
Every formula of every religion has in this age of reason, to submit to the acid test of reason and universal assent.
Mahatma Gandhi