Author Topic: Baptism/Chrismation garments?  (Read 1474 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Deborah

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 214
  • Never look back
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« on: October 30, 2012, 07:08:13 AM »
Hi, what sort of garment would a woman typically wear for the baptism itself? And afterwards for chrismation?  What would you wear if you are chrismated only?  Links to garment pics, or videos of baptisms/chrismations (showing garments) would be great! 

Have to start thinking about this as I'll be received into the Orthodox church soon, but don't know yet if it will be by baptism and chrismation, or chrismation only.  I don't know if it's relevant, but my parish is Antiochian.  Thanks. :)

Deborah
Live in South/East Auckland, Franklin or North Waikato regions of New Zealand? Interested in Orthodoxy? Need transport to an Orthodox Church? Want to meet others? Please send me a PM :)

"You have made us for yourself, Lord; and our hearts are restless until they rest in You" - St. Augustine (my patron saint)

Offline quietmorning

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,412
  • St. Photini
    • Whispers Written - a friends only journal - pm to be added.
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 07:49:45 AM »
I made a white near floor length skirt and wore a white shell with a white summer sweater over it.  And I went barefoot.  I was not baptized, only chrismated.  White is traditional, but was told by my priest that it's traditional with a small t not a capital T, that if I couldn't find white, just wearing something nice would be fine.
In His Mercy,
BethAnna

Offline Deborah

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 214
  • Never look back
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 04:23:49 PM »
I made a white near floor length skirt and wore a white shell with a white summer sweater over it.  And I went barefoot.  I was not baptized, only chrismated.  White is traditional, but was told by my priest that it's traditional with a small t not a capital T, that if I couldn't find white, just wearing something nice would be fine.

Thanks quietmorning.  Your outfit sounds lovely. :) 

I have a style of white dress in mind that I'd like to wear for chrismation, but whether I can find something like it off the peg might be another matter.  Still have to think of what to wear for baptism if that happens - something modest, but light that does not retain too much water.

Thanks again  :)

Deborah
Live in South/East Auckland, Franklin or North Waikato regions of New Zealand? Interested in Orthodoxy? Need transport to an Orthodox Church? Want to meet others? Please send me a PM :)

"You have made us for yourself, Lord; and our hearts are restless until they rest in You" - St. Augustine (my patron saint)

Offline Alveus Lacuna

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,008
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 05:03:36 PM »
Originally baptisms were done naked, so if you want to be truly traditional then wear a white gown after you are baptized naked.

Offline Deborah

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 214
  • Never look back
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 06:08:07 PM »
Originally baptisms were done naked, so if you want to be truly traditional then wear a white gown after you are baptized naked.

 :o

lol just kidding...thanks Alveus Lacuna!  Yes, I've come across that through reading about baptism...and also read that in the case of women, a deaconess would be the one baptising. 

The idea has appeal...but how practically could this be done, avoiding salaciousness and offence, in the presence of mixed company, with a male priest presiding, now that deaconesses are non-existent? :-\

Thanks
Deborah
Live in South/East Auckland, Franklin or North Waikato regions of New Zealand? Interested in Orthodoxy? Need transport to an Orthodox Church? Want to meet others? Please send me a PM :)

"You have made us for yourself, Lord; and our hearts are restless until they rest in You" - St. Augustine (my patron saint)

Offline HabteSelassie

  • Ises and I-ity
  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,332
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 07:12:35 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Originally baptisms were done naked, so if you want to be truly traditional then wear a white gown after you are baptized naked.

Just don't invite JamesR to those college baptisms yo, and everyone keep your eyes on the icons please ;)

stay blessed,
habte selassie
"Yet stand aloof from stupid questionings and geneologies and strifes and fightings about law, for they are without benefit and vain." Titus 3:10

Offline Deborah

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 214
  • Never look back
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 08:37:27 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Originally baptisms were done naked, so if you want to be truly traditional then wear a white gown after you are baptized naked.

Just don't invite JamesR to those college baptisms yo, and everyone keep your eyes on the icons please ;)

stay blessed,
habte selassie

 ;D :D well I suppose that's one way of dealing with it...and that advice could be applied to a myriad of situations :D 

I'm tempted to adopt that as part of my signature line...may I, habte? :)

Unique and on the spot as always, thanks for the suggestion habte selassie :)

Deborah
Live in South/East Auckland, Franklin or North Waikato regions of New Zealand? Interested in Orthodoxy? Need transport to an Orthodox Church? Want to meet others? Please send me a PM :)

"You have made us for yourself, Lord; and our hearts are restless until they rest in You" - St. Augustine (my patron saint)

Offline HabteSelassie

  • Ises and I-ity
  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,332
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 08:45:46 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

On the real though, Ethiopian Orthodox still baptize adults in the back privately in regards to these issues of full or partial or even veiled nudity :)

As to using my snap in a sig, I don't mind, but JamesR might  :police:

stay blessed,
habte selassie
"Yet stand aloof from stupid questionings and geneologies and strifes and fightings about law, for they are without benefit and vain." Titus 3:10

Offline Deborah

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 214
  • Never look back
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 09:36:06 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

On the real though, Ethiopian Orthodox still baptize adults in the back privately in regards to these issues of full or partial or even veiled nudity :)

As to using my snap in a sig, I don't mind, but JamesR might  :police:

stay blessed,
habte selassie

Thanks Habte...that's another option....although the old tiny church that my mission parish uses doesn't have a separate closed-off area inside the church.

I'm getting ideas of what to what to wear in the baptismal pool...seen some items in latest clothing store circulars that could be pulled together to make a modest, yet lightweight ensemble. :)

As to the sig, I'll run it past JamesR first :angel:

Thanks
Deborah

Live in South/East Auckland, Franklin or North Waikato regions of New Zealand? Interested in Orthodoxy? Need transport to an Orthodox Church? Want to meet others? Please send me a PM :)

"You have made us for yourself, Lord; and our hearts are restless until they rest in You" - St. Augustine (my patron saint)

Offline Benjamin the Red

  • Recovering Calvinist
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,601
  • Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me.
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 12:48:27 PM »
While I certainly advocate the use of robes for a baptismal/chrismation service, or perhaps a dress in the case of women, these are "lower t" traditions, as was remarked here. Wear what is all at once comfortable, nice-looking and, preferably, a light color.

I did not have the luxury of a baptismal robe myself (and I was accepted into the Church by baptism). My priest's instructions were to come in something dark, and so I wore black pants with a very dark blue shirt and then change into light colors after the baptism, and so I changed into a white shirt with very light khakis. Of course, shoes were not worn since the neophyte stands in the water and is twice anointed with oil (once, if just being chrismated) and then has the chrism wiped off later, on several parts of the body, including the feet.

And, for the record, I don't know your background pre-Orthodoxy, but Antioch generally leans more towards economia when receiving Christians from other backgrounds. If you were baptized at some point in the name of the Trinity, chances are you will be chrismated only. That said, I can't know for sure, but I have quite a few friends in the Antiochian Archdiocese and I'm fairly familiar with their practices.
"Hades is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. It begins here on earth. Just so, paradise begins in the soul of a man here in the earthly life. Here we already have contact with the divine..." -St. John, Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco, Homily On the Sunday of Orthodoxy

Online Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,299
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Diocese of the South (OCA)
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 03:30:31 PM »
I like the small "t" baptismal robes that you continue to wear for a time afterwards during Divine Liturgy. Same as the baptismal candles that you light and hold during the same, escorted by your sponsor each time that you approach the Holy Chalice. Indeed, as a cradle, I am somewhat jealous of my convert brothers and sisters, who start as enquirers (if I may analogize: start dating), become catechumens (become engaged) and finally become members of His Body (become married). I am happy and grateful that we pray and intercede for them at each stage and even after the pass on.

Offline Deborah

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 214
  • Never look back
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 05:16:21 PM »
Thank you Benjamin and Carl :)  I love the idea of candles, a new baptismal robe, etc, even if they are small 't' traditions.  I'd prefer to stick with white, but will wear light colours if that's not possible.  Will see what I can work out with my Godparents.  It's been amazing how God has led this process thus far, and I wouldn't be surprised if He has a few more surprises in store :)

Speaking of baptisms, I have to share this video I found - it's a Russian Orthodox baptism and absolutely beautiful.  I don't understand all that's taking place, the traditions and symbolism; but love the before-and-after baptism garments, the crowns and bouquets of flowers, procession of children in their costumes, the choir, the music - stunning :)  There's something very simple and humble about the garment the adults are wearing before and immediately following baptism; and the gowns they wear afterwards are also simple in style, but something very majestic about them at the same time.  Do these garments have a particular name, or have a particular style/features (like the red cross embroidered on the back)?  Are they peculiar to the Russian tradition?

Thanks
Deborah
« Last Edit: November 02, 2012, 05:22:15 PM by Deborah »
Live in South/East Auckland, Franklin or North Waikato regions of New Zealand? Interested in Orthodoxy? Need transport to an Orthodox Church? Want to meet others? Please send me a PM :)

"You have made us for yourself, Lord; and our hearts are restless until they rest in You" - St. Augustine (my patron saint)

Offline Thomas

  • Moderator
  • Archon
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,863
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 11:40:51 PM »
You priest will tell you what to wear. Usually if a white robe is expected to be worn the parish will provide it.
Thomas
Your brother in Christ ,
Thomas

Offline fasteddy64

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 35
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 09:48:01 AM »
My family and I were just baptized/chrismated  on September 30th so I will share our recent experience.
I was not baptized, just chrismated and I just wore what I would normally wear to Liturgy, except for being bare foot.  My wife and sons were baptized and our Priest left it up to them what they wished to wear. They all wore swim attier with shorts and shirts over them. Our God Parents provided whit towels to them when they came out of the water. That was it. and it was awesome!!

Offline Tommelomsky

  • Podvig
  • Elder
  • *****
  • Posts: 486
  • Glory to God in all things!
    • Russian Orthodox Church in Norway
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: ROC
Re: Baptism/Chrismation garments?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 09:31:25 PM »
Deborah: I wish you the best of luck on your big day. I pray that it will be a good and most unforgettable moment.
:)
The meaning of life is to acquire the grace of the Holy Spirit.
Saint Seraphim of Sarov

Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)

+ Glory be to God for all things! +