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Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« on: October 25, 2012, 05:21:26 PM »
Which one would you prefer over the other?
Please remember to state in a few words the reason for your choice.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 05:23:16 PM »
Which one would you prefer over the other?
Please remember to state in a few words the reason for your choice.
Neither, for obvious reasons.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 05:26:40 PM »
Neither, for obvious reasons.

If you HAD TO make a choice... for the sake of this poll...
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 05:49:11 PM »
Which one would you prefer over the other?
Please remember to state in a few words the reason for your choice.

One is a globalized ideology adhered to explicitly by Zionist Jews and Protestants and explicitly and illicitly by Western world powers manifesting in a localized phenomenon ending in World War III.

The other is a gloablized ideology adhered to explicitly by radicalized Mohammedans and illicitly by some non-radicalized Mohammedans with overt support from some Mohammedan governments and covert support from Western world powers (when it suits their other objectives--of which defeating communism was but a phase of underiming Russian influence begun by Western support for the Ottomans in the 19th century and continued today by supporting Syrian rebels), manifesting in a globalized phenomenon with distinct local challenges, eding in World War III.

The good thing is that both these things play together, so there really isn't a choice as to which is better than the other.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 05:50:30 PM »
Neither, for obvious reasons.

If you HAD TO make a choice... for the sake of this poll...

Ah, the Kang or Kodos "choice." Either way, humanity ends up enslaved only to build a ray gun to clear a better view of Uranus.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 07:32:49 PM »
Zionism obviously. Supporting one tiny little evil country seems a lot better to me than allowing the entire world to become built on Shariah Law.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 07:33:54 PM »
Better the Sultan's turban than the yarmulke of the...

Oh, nevermind. Even the original sounded silly.  :laugh:
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 08:09:46 PM »
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One is a globalized ideology adhered to explicitly by Zionist Jews and Protestants and explicitly and illicitly by Western world powers manifesting in a localized phenomenon ending in World War III.

Do they have dictionaries where you live?

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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 09:05:59 PM »
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One is a globalized ideology adhered to explicitly by Zionist Jews and Protestants and explicitly and illicitly by Western world powers manifesting in a localized phenomenon ending in World War III.

Do they have dictionaries where you live?



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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2012, 09:07:45 PM »
I'll take the zionists. They seem like nicer nuts. Beside, Islamists smell like cabbage.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2012, 09:13:18 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


The good thing is that both these things play together, so there really isn't a choice as to which is better than the other.



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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 03:19:13 AM »
Seeing as the Zionists would seem to be far less likely than the Islamists to saw my head off for failing to convert to their point of view, I'd choose the Zionists every time, but I'd rather not have to make the choice.

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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 06:04:32 AM »
Better the Sultan's turban than the yarmulke of the...

Oh, nevermind. Even the original sounded silly.  :laugh:

Better David's flag than the green flag of Islamic shahadah?  ;D
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2012, 08:55:33 AM »
If I take Zionism, can I go with historical (secular) Zionism? ;) Any of its forms, minus Socialism, would do.

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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2012, 09:35:11 AM »
You can't have Zionism without getting Islamism thrown in, so I'll go for Islamism.

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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2012, 03:25:03 PM »
You can't have Zionism without getting Islamism thrown in, so I'll go for Islamism.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2012, 03:27:16 PM »
Zionism has ostensible geographic limits so I'd probably go with that.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2012, 06:17:12 PM »
If you would have said religion than Islamist.. i hate both ideologies they both suck :)
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2012, 09:24:01 AM »
What do you mean? No Talmud without Muhammad?  ::)

The Zionism of Herzl is an atheistic nationalist movement and has nothing to do with the Talmud. Balfour, who granted the Zionists land in Palestine, was a rabid anti-Semite who favoured Zionism because he believed Jews could not live among Gentiles and that giving them their own state would be the best way to get rid of them. Zionism necessarily leads to Islamism because it involves the displacement and humiliation of an entire nation, most of whom are Muslim, in a land considered sacred to Muslims worldwide. The Israel-Palestine conflict has been at the centre of the Islamist cause and major recruiting ground.

So, you could easily have Islamism without Zionism, but you couldn't have Zionism without provoking Islamist sentiments. So if you pick Zionism you pick both.
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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2012, 04:36:36 PM »
Zionism. Zionists just want one tiny piece of land, Islamists want the entire planet.

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Re: Zionist ideology vs Islamist ideology
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2012, 05:34:50 PM »

Zionism necessarily leads to Islamism because it involves the displacement and humiliation of an entire nation, most of whom are Muslim, in a land considered sacred to Muslims worldwide. The Israel-Palestine conflict has been at the centre of the Islamist cause and major recruiting ground.


This is debatable because Islamism precedes Zionism by many centuries. Muhammad theologically "invaded" the land of Israel even when the Jews had neither a state nor a temple there. Thus, it is possible to say that Islamism led to Zionism because most of the Philistines became Muslims and wanted to get Jerusalem.
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