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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #180 on: January 06, 2016, 10:25:33 AM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #181 on: January 06, 2016, 11:02:13 AM »
I think just about all of us here believe the holocaust happened, and 6 million jews died. However it unfair to label Serverian a anti-semite, I haven't seen where he said hateful things towards your average Jew. While holocaust denial is wrong, and academicaly dishonest, the charges of anti-semitism by some people go overboard, and render any real meaning to real acts of anti-semitism as hype in the public eyes.

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #182 on: January 06, 2016, 11:11:24 AM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
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Do we really need to know an answer?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #183 on: January 06, 2016, 11:20:25 AM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #184 on: January 06, 2016, 11:22:25 AM »
Supposing the number is off (which it may well be), why does it matter?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #185 on: January 06, 2016, 11:31:03 AM »
Holocaust revisionism invariably has something behind it other than an earnest quest for facts. That said, there is a legitimate place for looking at the way the holocaust was exploited and even commodified by the victorious powers as a cover for their own crimes and the atrocities of colonialism. The Nazi bogeyman served to draw attention away from the humdrum brutality of capitalism in general. The Martinican surrealist Aime Cesaire makes this point well in his Discourse on Colonialism. The Italian Marxist Amadeo Bordiga, in his essay Auschwitz: the Great Alibi makes a similar point.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #186 on: January 06, 2016, 01:36:19 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #187 on: January 06, 2016, 02:16:42 PM »
Holocaust revisionism invariably has something behind it other than an earnest quest for facts. That said, there is a legitimate place for looking at the way the holocaust was exploited and even commodified by the victorious powers as a cover for their own crimes and the atrocities of colonialism. The Nazi bogeyman served to draw attention away from the humdrum brutality of capitalism in general. The Martinican surrealist Aime Cesaire makes this point well in his Discourse on Colonialism. The Italian Marxist Amadeo Bordiga, in his essay Auschwitz: the Great Alibi makes a similar point.

Agreed. Though that very critique is also easily exploited by Holocaust "revisionists." It's a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #188 on: January 06, 2016, 02:26:30 PM »
I think it's fair -- and I've seen in it done in many mainstream history sources -- to report various numbers from various reports and means of tallying. So if we learn the Allies originally reported 600,000, the Jews originally reported 1.5 million, and the first survey of the Nazi records yielded 3 million (I'm not standing behind any of these numbers, just demonstrating the nature of this kind of research), then that's surely acceptable information. Then learning how the number was revised in time to amount to 6 million is also good information. I don't think any of this is what's referred to as "holocaust revisionism," which is not a matter of learning but of promotion; i.e., it's a movement: note the "-ism."
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #189 on: January 06, 2016, 08:43:26 PM »
Tradition will never slip into irrelevance.

True tradition won't.  Thus, the SSPX will slip into irrelevance.
Without men like +Williamson it will.

Bishop Williamson is the greatest reason why not to take the SSPX seriously.  I have yet to meet someone form the SSPX to even make me think about what they teach and do.  In fact, the only thing the SSPX has led me to think about is the validity of teachings of the Catholic Church, themselves included.  While I was never a Traditionalist, the SSPX has played a good part in pushing me towards Orthodoxy.

Regarding "lapsed catholics" I believe SSPX is good in bringing them back to God.

But when you are christian again and strong in your christian values and beliefs you start to question a LOT of things regarding RC thanks to SSPX this time...

That was certainly true for me. (I don't mean that I was involved with the SSPX, but looking into traditionalist ideas helped me to question things.)

For me , too

I came back to Christ thanks to a traditional priest ... I will always have him in my prayers because of this...

This priest is a good man but he has a lot of things that scared me to death... and 90% of his speeches are related to chastisement, SSPX problems, Fatima, the evils of Bergoglio... I don't find Jesus there... they also talk a lot of the Blessed Virgin but I find this very dangerous also because they talk more about her than Jesus.

And a lot of other stuff... If the RC is the real true church and the ONLY church as they say it's very difficult to believe the only true church remains only in 2-3 small groups that fight among them all the time in the ciber space ... ::) and all the rest are wrong... very difficult to believe...
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #190 on: January 07, 2016, 09:54:18 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?
no, you obviously haven't put much thought into this issue

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #191 on: January 07, 2016, 09:58:23 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
please tell me you're joking..this is a joke right, you people seem to   love being conned but at the end of the day being wrong on this issue doesn't mean the loss of your soul, rejecting the Church of Christ is another matter, but it puzzles me with all the info available to us in this day and age people still believe 6 million jews were murdered, maybe Oswald killed Kennedy alone or next you will tell me Bin Laden was responsible for 911...please say it isn't so

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #192 on: January 07, 2016, 10:02:21 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
please tell me you're joking..this is a joke right, you people seem to   love being conned but at the end of the day being wrong on this issue doesn't mean the loss of your soul, rejecting the Church of Christ is another matter, but it puzzles me with all the info available to us in this day and age people still believe 6 million jews were murdered, maybe Oswald killed Kennedy alone or next you will tell me Bin Laden was responsible for 911...please say it isn't so

Please tell me that you're a troll account. I knew sedevacantism was a fringe thing, but I never thought it was this fringe...



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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #193 on: January 07, 2016, 11:03:40 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?
no, you obviously haven't put much thought into this issue
How many do you think died and how did you arrive at your number?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #194 on: January 07, 2016, 11:08:03 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
please tell me you're joking..this is a joke right, you people seem to   love being conned but at the end of the day being wrong on this issue doesn't mean the loss of your soul, rejecting the Church of Christ is another matter, but it puzzles me with all the info available to us in this day and age people still believe 6 million jews were murdered, maybe Oswald killed Kennedy alone or next you will tell me Bin Laden was responsible for 911...please say it isn't so

I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a victim.

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #195 on: January 07, 2016, 11:10:52 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes.

I read Mike's post as saying "Do we really need an answer to "Do you?""

I would say No: I don't really know sedevacantist and don't particularly care what his/her answer to that question is (all the more so if it's a conspiracy theory).
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #196 on: January 07, 2016, 11:11:26 PM »
Regarding "lapsed catholics" I believe SSPX is good in bringing them back to God.

But when you are christian again and strong in your christian values and beliefs you start to question a LOT of things regarding RC thanks to SSPX this time...

That was certainly true for me. (I don't mean that I was involved with the SSPX, but looking into traditionalist ideas helped me to question things.)

For me , too

I came back to Christ thanks to a traditional priest ... I will always have him in my prayers because of this...

This priest is a good man but he has a lot of things that scared me to death... and 90% of his speeches are related to chastisement, SSPX problems, Fatima, the evils of Bergoglio... I don't find Jesus there... they also talk a lot of the Blessed Virgin but I find this very dangerous also because they talk more about her than Jesus.

And a lot of other stuff... If the RC is the real true church and the ONLY church as they say it's very difficult to believe the only true church remains only in 2-3 small groups that fight among them all the time in the ciber space ... ::) and all the rest are wrong... very difficult to believe...

In my case I used to associate with a lot of, if you will, "selectively traditionalist Catholics" -- and I still do, but not to such a great extent. (Come to think of it, I guess I'd have to say that I was one myself, albeit unwittingly.) There were many things about them that I didn't really question, for a while; "traditionalist Catholicism" was one of the things that helped me to question.

Nuff said. :)
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #197 on: January 08, 2016, 01:03:57 AM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
please tell me you're joking..this is a joke right, you people seem to   love being conned but at the end of the day being wrong on this issue doesn't mean the loss of your soul, rejecting the Church of Christ is another matter, but it puzzles me with all the info available to us in this day and age people still believe 6 million jews were murdered, maybe Oswald killed Kennedy alone or next you will tell me Bin Laden was responsible for 911...please say it isn't so

I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
you believe the jews need our sympathy? really? the Christ killers? if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #198 on: January 08, 2016, 01:12:50 AM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes.

I read Mike's post as saying "Do we really need an answer to "Do you?""

I would say No: I don't really know sedevacantist and don't particularly care what his/her answer to that question is (all the more so if it's a conspiracy theory).
why would you know who I am? bizarre, who cares who you know, if you don't care about the issue why waste your time posting? I like how you add the government tactic of dismissing anyone with a different view as a conspiracy theory, do you believe Oswald killed Kennedy alone? if you don't you have been labelled a conspiracy theorist by the U.S gov't, if you do I have a bridge to sell you ....don't bother answering , nobody cares ..... you don't have a clue 

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #199 on: January 08, 2016, 01:15:02 AM »
if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

Care to answer this question, Sedevacantist?:
How many do you think died and how did you arrive at your number?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #200 on: January 08, 2016, 01:20:25 AM »
I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
you believe the jews need our sympathy? really? the Christ killers? if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

You use the name of Christ when I can fairly assure you Christ doesn't know you (to use his phrase in his judgment parables). Christ does not think of innocent men, women, and children as any kind of killers, much less "Christ killers." He pours out his love for them. The same for those Judaeans and Romans who did in fact kill him: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Your spirit in the post above is not of Christ, but of the Evil One.

As for your statement that newsmedia was prophesying the Holocaust before it began -- this doesn't need refuting. Your posts are showing yourself a crank that nobody here should be taking serious time to respond to.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #201 on: January 08, 2016, 02:49:25 AM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
please tell me you're joking..this is a joke right, you people seem to   love being conned but at the end of the day being wrong on this issue doesn't mean the loss of your soul, rejecting the Church of Christ is another matter, but it puzzles me with all the info available to us in this day and age people still believe 6 million jews were murdered, maybe Oswald killed Kennedy alone or next you will tell me Bin Laden was responsible for 911...please say it isn't so

I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
you believe the jews need our sympathy? really? the Christ killers? if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research
Your hypocrisy is showing. You're now making your own claims that demand supporting evidence. What proof can you post that shows that the "6 million number" really "was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2"? If you care about the issue you should not make us research your claims for you.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 02:49:37 AM by PeterTheAleut »
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #202 on: January 08, 2016, 09:45:54 AM »
It typical crank fashion, I expect this is about the time when we will be expected to provide proof for why his theories are wrong instead of him actually provide the basis for his opinions.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #203 on: January 08, 2016, 06:09:26 PM »
if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

Care to answer this question, Sedevacantist?:
How many do you think died and how did you arrive at your number?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #204 on: January 08, 2016, 06:10:43 PM »
if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

Care to answer this question, Sedevacantist?:
How many do you think died and how did you arrive at your number?
here's a vid showing the newspapers, let me know what you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEJ_7vJIuUc


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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #205 on: January 08, 2016, 06:11:18 PM »
if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

Care to answer this question, Sedevacantist?:
How many do you think died and how did you arrive at your number?
here's a vid showing the newspapers, let me know what you think
Where's the vid? NVM
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #206 on: January 08, 2016, 06:17:11 PM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
please tell me you're joking..this is a joke right, you people seem to   love being conned but at the end of the day being wrong on this issue doesn't mean the loss of your soul, rejecting the Church of Christ is another matter, but it puzzles me with all the info available to us in this day and age people still believe 6 million jews were murdered, maybe Oswald killed Kennedy alone or next you will tell me Bin Laden was responsible for 911...please say it isn't so

I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
you believe the jews need our sympathy? really? the Christ killers? if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research
Your hypocrisy is showing. You're now making your own claims that demand supporting evidence. What proof can you post that shows that the "6 million number" really "was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2"? If you care about the issue you should not make us research your claims for you.
what hypocrisy are you talking about?
here's another vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oinItLYg7qQ

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #207 on: January 08, 2016, 06:27:04 PM »
I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
you believe the jews need our sympathy? really? the Christ killers? if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

You use the name of Christ when I can fairly assure you Christ doesn't know you (to use his phrase in his judgment parables). Christ does not think of innocent men, women, and children as any kind of killers, much less "Christ killers." He pours out his love for them. The same for those Judaeans and Romans who did in fact kill him: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Your spirit in the post above is not of Christ, but of the Evil One.

As for your statement that newsmedia was prophesying the Holocaust before it began -- this doesn't need refuting. Your posts are showing yourself a crank that nobody here should be taking serious time to respond to.
I am certain Christ knows you for the heretic you are,it's a fact jews killed Christ. calling me a crank because I oppose your brain washed views won't change reality  you sheep

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #208 on: January 08, 2016, 06:32:41 PM »
They would have said the same about Mormons if they had been a problem for the faithful. None of this is an excuse for you hating and libeling innocent men, women, and children.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #209 on: January 08, 2016, 06:32:55 PM »
It typical crank fashion, I expect this is about the time when we will be expected to provide proof for why his theories are wrong instead of him actually provide the basis for his opinions.
judging me a crank is un Christian of you and your buddies especially when you don't know what you are talking about, I guess I'm also a  crank for not believing the official 9/11 story also? I don't believe Oswald killed Kennedy, and I don't have time to teach you on these matters as it doesn't matter that much at the end of the day,salvation is what matters most. It just points to how little some of you care bout the truth

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #210 on: January 08, 2016, 06:33:45 PM »
Are you from the Fisheaters forum?
It's common knowledge that you secretly want to be born in early 17th century Russia.  As a serf or a royal, I know not.  Chances are serf.

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« Reply #211 on: January 08, 2016, 06:34:05 PM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #212 on: January 08, 2016, 06:55:10 PM »
They would have said the same about Mormons if they had been a problem for the faithful. None of this is an excuse for you hating and libeling innocent men, women, and children.
I'm not hating anyone, I'm calling them Christ killers because that's what they are,they don't deserve anymore sympathy than the Armenians, Russians  etc who have been murdered, have you ever read the Talmud?

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« Reply #213 on: January 08, 2016, 07:07:15 PM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
nope, but you folks are insulting me ,calling me a crank because I'm not a sheeple..you'll be judged for being outside the true church

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #214 on: January 08, 2016, 07:09:05 PM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
nope, but you folks are insulting me ,calling me a crank because I'm not a sheeple..you'll be judged for being outside the true church

And here you insult an entire Church.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #215 on: January 08, 2016, 07:18:21 PM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
nope, but you folks are insulting me ,calling me a crank because I'm not a sheeple..you'll be judged for being outside the true church

A church without a see is not a church. So unless your claim is that you yourself are the Divine Judge, I'm not concerned.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #216 on: January 08, 2016, 07:25:30 PM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
nope, but you folks are insulting me ,calling me a crank because I'm not a sheeple..you'll be judged for being outside the true church

A church without a see is not a church. So unless your claim is that you yourself are the Divine Judge, I'm not concerned.
we have over 1900 years of the magisterium to follow

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #217 on: January 08, 2016, 07:34:58 PM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
nope, but you folks are insulting me ,calling me a crank because I'm not a sheeple..you'll be judged for being outside the true church

A church without a see is not a church. So unless your claim is that you yourself are the Divine Judge, I'm not concerned.
we have over 1900 years of the magisterium to follow

St. Athanasius: "Even if Catholics faithful to tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."

You didn't really address Porter's point the way I would have if I were you, instead preferring to liken yourself to some sort of proto-Protestant. 
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #218 on: January 08, 2016, 07:56:00 PM »
I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
you believe the jews need our sympathy? really? the Christ killers? if you fell for the 6 million number you are a victim, for starters the 6 million number was circulating in newspapers long before world war 2, if you care about the issue you should do more research

You use the name of Christ when I can fairly assure you Christ doesn't know you (to use his phrase in his judgment parables). Christ does not think of innocent men, women, and children as any kind of killers, much less "Christ killers." He pours out his love for them. The same for those Judaeans and Romans who did in fact kill him: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Your spirit in the post above is not of Christ, but of the Evil One.

As for your statement that newsmedia was prophesying the Holocaust before it began -- this doesn't need refuting. Your posts are showing yourself a crank that nobody here should be taking serious time to respond to.
I am certain Christ knows you for the heretic you are,it's a fact jews killed Christ. calling me a crank because I oppose your brain washed views won't change reality  you sheep

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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #219 on: January 08, 2016, 07:59:47 PM »
To everyone else: I notice that label 'crank' being tossed around here. Do note that this is an ad hominem and will be treated as such moving forward. Whoever calls sedevacantist or anyone else a crank on this thread will be penalized accordingly. Consider this your final warning.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #220 on: January 08, 2016, 08:01:49 PM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
nope, but you folks are insulting me ,calling me a crank because I'm not a sheeple..you'll be judged for being outside the true church

A church without a see is not a church. So unless your claim is that you yourself are the Divine Judge, I'm not concerned.
we have over 1900 years of the magisterium to follow

St. Athanasius: "Even if Catholics faithful to tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."
But what if the term 'Catholic' doesn't apply to your sect?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #221 on: January 09, 2016, 08:23:25 AM »
Oh yes the Day of Judgment is a winnowing between those who did and did not concern themselves with the Grassy Knoll.
nope, but you folks are insulting me ,calling me a crank because I'm not a sheeple..you'll be judged for being outside the true church

A church without a see is not a church. So unless your claim is that you yourself are the Divine Judge, I'm not concerned.
we have over 1900 years of the magisterium to follow

St. Athanasius: "Even if Catholics faithful to tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."
But what if the term 'Catholic' doesn't apply to your sect?
Can you prove it either way?
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #222 on: January 09, 2016, 08:40:41 AM »
I certainly don't apply revisionism to other things. Don't call me a hypocrite.

I do think Holocaust revisionism is as bad as denial. They aren't different.

If this kind of thing is now normal on the forum or in the church, I have no business being here.
do you believe 6 million jews died during the holocaust?
Yes. Do you?

Do we really need to know an answer?

We do know the answer and the answer is yes. The only people saying otherwise on the professional level are Neo-Nazis and their sympathizers.
please tell me you're joking..this is a joke right, you people seem to   love being conned but at the end of the day being wrong on this issue doesn't mean the loss of your soul, rejecting the Church of Christ is another matter, but it puzzles me with all the info available to us in this day and age people still believe 6 million jews were murdered, maybe Oswald killed Kennedy alone or next you will tell me Bin Laden was responsible for 911...please say it isn't so

I think in "all the info available today" you must be including anything anybody posts online or in pamphlets. There are uncountable sources of false information and confusing conspiracies. Please don't be a victim.

[Edited to add:] Any information that comes with an axe to grind or a hateful attitude attached to it should be suspect. If some source is "proving" that the Jewish people do not deserve our sympathy, then they are automatically on the side of untruth, numbers aside.
I think the "axe to grind" comes from both sides of this issue. Regardless of your source of information, the only thing that matters at the end of the day, is if it is true or coheres with reality in some way. It doesn't matter where truth comes.

I could care less if a true statement comes from the Bible, Quran or Mein Kempf. It still doesn't detract from it's truthfullness.

The problem these days, is, in some places it is illegal to even question any aspects of the official version of the holacaust.

That sounds like some kind of state-sponsored heresy law or something like that.

Now regardless of all this "six million" nonsense, the reality is, is that the Catholic  Church in it's essence is diametrically opposed to Judaism or "jews" wherein as they reject Christ, the logos, the Son of the living God.

None of this is ever going to change unless they convert or their Messiah returns.
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Re: SSPX expels Bishop Williamson
« Reply #223 on: January 09, 2016, 08:52:27 AM »
Your buddy Hitler also rejected Christ. So wy are you idolising him?
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« Reply #224 on: January 09, 2016, 09:01:44 AM »
Your buddy Hitler also rejected Christ. So wy are you idolising him?
But you're my buddy too mike. Do you reject Christ as well?

Having said that, I never read where AH himself came out and offically rejected Christ in any legtimate sources.

And I know us Latins are a bit of idolators to you Easterners, but there aren't no statues of the Fuhrer in my church buddy.

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