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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 06:36:33 AM »
Yes, it is. I guess if anyone wants to provide some sources regarding the issue, they can. :)
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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 07:08:32 AM »
Is the Eucharist a Sacrifice? Yes.

Is the Eucharist an anoting sacrifice like in RCism? I'm not sure. The Catholic version seems a lot more developed than the Orthodox version so I'm not sure whether it's exactly the same.

Yes, it is. I guess if anyone wants to provide some sources regarding the issue, they can. :)

Canon of Sarum mass:

Therefore, most gracious Father, through Jesus Christ Thy Son our Lord, we humbly beseech Thee and we desire that Thou accept and bless these gifts, these things Thou gavest us, these holy unspotted sacrifices, which we offer Thee, first, for Thy Holy Catholic Church...
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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 07:35:13 AM »
Is the Eucharist a Sacrifice? Yes.

Is the Eucharist an anoting sacrifice like in RCism? I'm not sure. The Catholic version seems a lot more developed than the Orthodox version so I'm not sure whether it's exactly the same.

Yes, it is. I guess if anyone wants to provide some sources regarding the issue, they can. :)

Canon of Sarum mass:

Therefore, most gracious Father, through Jesus Christ Thy Son our Lord, we humbly beseech Thee and we desire that Thou accept and bless these gifts, these things Thou gavest us, these holy unspotted sacrifices, which we offer Thee, first, for Thy Holy Catholic Church...

The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  ;)
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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 08:47:43 AM »
The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  ;)

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.

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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 11:49:03 AM »
Atonement is reconciliation between God and human. Any sacrifice is an atonement.
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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2012, 11:25:00 AM »
The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  ;)

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.

It's the Roman Canon (translated into English), which predates the Schism and we used up until about 1970 when a bunch of guys came up with a bunch of shorter ones containing the essential (for us) "This is my Body...This is my Blood" plus an explicit epiklesis, minus much mention of a sacrifice, trying to appease everyone else. That's a different topic altogether though...

In Catholic theological terms, the Eucharist is the unbloody re-presentation, maybe better yet anamnesis of the once for all sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross at Calvary. So not an atoning sacrifice, the Atoning Sacrifice.

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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2012, 03:48:37 PM »
The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  ;)

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.

It's the Roman Canon (translated into English), which predates the Schism and we used up until about 1970 when a bunch of guys came up with a bunch of shorter ones containing the essential (for us) "This is my Body...This is my Blood" plus an explicit epiklesis, minus much mention of a sacrifice, trying to appease everyone else. That's a different topic altogether though...

In Catholic theological terms, the Eucharist is the unbloody re-presentation, maybe better yet anamnesis of the once for all sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross at Calvary. So not an atoning sacrifice, the Atoning Sacrifice.
Yep. The sacrifice of Calvary and the Eucharist are one and the same. Do the Eastern (and Oriental) Orthodox believe the same?

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Re: Is the Eucharist an Atoning Sacrifice from the Orthodox POV Like in RCism?
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2012, 04:38:57 PM »
The Catholics got their mass from us so it couldnt be more developed!  ;)

The Canon I quoted was not Catholic but Orthodox. Also, I'm not sure whether RCs have developed their theology beyond just the text of the mass.

It's the Roman Canon (translated into English), which predates the Schism and we used up until about 1970 when a bunch of guys came up with a bunch of shorter ones containing the essential (for us) "This is my Body...This is my Blood" plus an explicit epiklesis, minus much mention of a sacrifice, trying to appease everyone else. That's a different topic altogether though...

In Catholic theological terms, the Eucharist is the unbloody re-presentation, maybe better yet anamnesis of the once for all sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross at Calvary. So not an atoning sacrifice, the Atoning Sacrifice.
Yep. The sacrifice of Calvary and the Eucharist are one and the same. Do the Eastern (and Oriental) Orthodox believe the same?
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