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Offline Shiny

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wikipedia entry for Eusuebius' Church History
« on: October 18, 2012, 08:59:39 PM »
"This "historical account" has much of Eusebius's own theological agenda intertwined with the factual text including his view on God, Christ, the Scriptures, the Jews, the church, pagans, and heretics. At the very beginning of the volumes, Eusebius makes a statement about the divinity and pre-existence of Jesus Christ. This is a very strange way to begin a historical narrative proving that Eusebius was attempting to push his own ideas regarding the church into a text.[citation needed]"
Church History on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius#Church_History

Seems like someone isn't happy with Eusuebius' Church History, putting into quotes the veracity of the historical account and asserting an opinion.

But does that have any merit? I haven't read the work, but I've seen Orthodox laymen and priest alike cite this book as part of refutation piece for Protestant objections about the Early Church.
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Re: wikipedia entry for Eusuebius' Church History
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 09:07:40 PM »
What you quoted sounds like someone trying to apply more secularized modern ideas about how history is done to someone writing 1700 years ago. All historians in all periods are biased, but certainly how things are done has changed. I don't recall any places in which I thought Eusebius was purposely trying to fabricate or stretch things beyond what was acceptable, but certainly he felt freer than most modern historians would in saying "X happened" or "X is true" rather than couching things in language like "X is said to have happened" or "So-and-so believed X is true". I can also think of times when he freely admitted that there were differences of opinion, such as regarding the canonicity of some of the New Testament works.

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Re: wikipedia entry for Eusuebius' Church History
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 09:19:09 PM »
Sounds like something a Protestant minister changed up during a 5 minute break at the office because he tried to research the 'early Church' thinking it would function like a Protestant Church but was disappointed to discover that *gasp* they worshipped liturgically, used Icons and had Priests!!!1
...Or it's just possible he's a mouthy young man on an internet forum.
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Re: wikipedia entry for Eusuebius' Church History
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 09:19:49 PM »
Lots of personal opinion of the Wikipedia writer in the article.
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