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Amnesty?
« on: October 15, 2012, 09:15:02 AM »
Just a small thought which probably doesn't technically merit a new thread, but ...

Might the best way to resolve the "uniatism" issue be with a kind of amnesty? Not an amnesty of persons obviously (since the persons involved in the Union of Brest, the Union of Uzhhorod, etc., all died long ago) but an amnesty of churches if you will. In other words, we Catholics (Latin as well as Eastern) agree not to engage in any more uniatism, and you Orthodox agree not to hold-against-us the fact that many of the Eastern Catholic Churches came from Orthodoxy.
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 09:29:35 AM »
I thought that was what the so-called Balamand Agreement was supposed to do, sort of.

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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 10:09:52 AM »
I thought that was what the so-called Balamand Agreement was supposed to do, sort of.

It's at least one possible take on the Balamand Agreement. So I guess the question is, is it the right one?
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 10:58:46 AM »
I thought that was what the so-called Balamand Agreement was supposed to do, sort of.

It's at least one possible take on the Balamand Agreement. So I guess the question is, is it the right one?

Apparently not. (No sarcasm intended.)
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2012, 02:20:34 PM »
I thought that was what the so-called Balamand Agreement was supposed to do, sort of.

It's at least one possible take on the Balamand Agreement. So I guess the question is, is it the right one?

Apparently not. (No sarcasm intended.)

I can believe you that you're not being sarcastic ... and at the same time I'm intrigued enough to ask for an elaboration.
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 02:25:51 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 02:38:04 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

The conventional answer to that is that, in the long run, it will be better if we hold off for a while from trying win converts from Orthodoxy, because that way we will be able to convince all/most Orthodox to come into communion with Rome en masse. (I'm not saying that's a good answer, just that it's the conventional answer.)
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 03:15:24 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

The conventional answer to that is that, in the long run, it will be better if we hold off for a while from trying win converts from Orthodoxy, because that way we will be able to convince all/most Orthodox to come into communion with Rome en masse. (I'm not saying that's a good answer, just that it's the conventional answer.)

Or Catholics can dox en masse and hopefully the Pope will join us one day ;)

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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 03:16:19 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

On a more serious note, there are enough Protestants and neo-Arians the Catholics and Orthodox can divide amongst themsevles for missionary work

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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 03:23:07 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

On a more serious note, there are enough Protestants and neo-Arians the Catholics and Orthodox can divide amongst themsevles for missionary work

Not to mention atheists, muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Shinto, New Age, various "Native American" religions, etc., etc., etc., etc.  And then there are all the Catholics and Orthodox who might benefit from some re-evangelizing from their own brothers and sisters  ;D.
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 03:24:30 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

The conventional answer to that is that, in the long run, it will be better if we hold off for a while from trying win converts from Orthodoxy, because that way we will be able to convince all/most Orthodox to come into communion with Rome en masse. (I'm not saying that's a good answer, just that it's the conventional answer.)

Or Catholics can dox en masse and hopefully the Pope will join us one day ;)

"Us"??  I thought you were Catholic.  ???
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 04:12:38 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

On a more serious note, there are enough Protestants and neo-Arians the Catholics and Orthodox can divide amongst themsevles for missionary work

Not to mention atheists, muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Shinto, New Age, various "Native American" religions, etc., etc., etc., etc. 

True, but they're hardly easy pickins.
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 04:13:33 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

The conventional answer to that is that, in the long run, it will be better if we hold off for a while from trying win converts from Orthodoxy, because that way we will be able to convince all/most Orthodox to come into communion with Rome en masse. (I'm not saying that's a good answer, just that it's the conventional answer.)

Or Catholics can dox en masse and hopefully the Pope will join us one day ;)

"Us"??  I thought you were Catholic.  ???

I think you should continue to think that.
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2012, 04:20:20 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

On a more serious note, there are enough Protestants and neo-Arians the Catholics and Orthodox can divide amongst themsevles for missionary work

Not to mention atheists, muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Shinto, New Age, various "Native American" religions, etc., etc., etc., etc. 

True, but they're hardly easy pickins.

And the others are?  Whether they're "easy pickins" or not is irrelevant, don't you think?
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Re: Amnesty?
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2012, 04:20:57 PM »
If the Catholics believe their church to be the Catholic and Apostolic the only logical conclucion is to make missionary work among the Orthodox.

The conventional answer to that is that, in the long run, it will be better if we hold off for a while from trying win converts from Orthodoxy, because that way we will be able to convince all/most Orthodox to come into communion with Rome en masse. (I'm not saying that's a good answer, just that it's the conventional answer.)

Or Catholics can dox en masse and hopefully the Pope will join us one day ;)

"Us"??  I thought you were Catholic.  ???

I think you should continue to think that.

I'd be happy to  ;).
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