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"Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« on: October 13, 2012, 09:43:10 AM »
Hi Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

In the prophecy of the virgin birth, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah declared, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel."
 This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus in Matthew 1:22-23, "All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel' which means, 'God with us.'"

If the name was prophesied to be given as Immanuel why our Messiah was not called so?

Thank you very much.

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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 11:19:14 AM »
Does not every Christian call Him Immanuel? Is this not the meaning of "Christ is in our midst" "He is and always shall be" at the Liturgy? Are you also perturbed that His full name wasn't Immanuel Wonderful Counselor MightyGod EverlastingFather PrinceofPeace?

"Salvation of God" seems like it should incorporate all the above.
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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 11:50:15 AM »
Hi Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

In the prophecy of the virgin birth, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah declared, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel."
 This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus in Matthew 1:22-23, "All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel' which means, 'God with us.'"

If the name was prophesied to be given as Immanuel why our Messiah was not called so?

Thank you very much.

God bless us all.


Because Immanuel was not going to be Jesus' personal name. It was similar to the word "Nazarene", which was also used by people to identify Jesus.

Note that Matthew modified the prophecy in Isaiah. According to the prophecy, the mother would name the child "Immanuel", yet Matthew said that THEY will name the child Immanuel. Who did this they refer to? To Jesus' followers, of course.
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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 01:46:16 PM »
Immanuel may not be a personal name, but it does describe who Jesus is.

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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2012, 02:36:18 PM »
Didn't St. Cyril call consequently call Christ Immanuel in his twelve anathemas?

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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 05:03:43 PM »
I see now, thank you for your good answers all.
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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 05:06:59 PM »
Did they have a choice? See Luke 1:30-31

"Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus."

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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 06:15:44 PM »
Immanuel may not be a personal name, but it does describe who Jesus is.

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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 08:50:49 PM »
Did they have a choice? See Luke 1:30-31

"Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus."

Thank you for your answer.
 You quoted the New Testament, the prophesy I was asking about is in the Old Testament.

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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 06:51:24 AM »
Is there a complete Orthodox Commentary on Isaiah 7:14 with refutation regarding that the Child was one of Isaiah's?


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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 08:39:44 AM »
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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2012, 04:45:59 PM »
Is there a complete Orthodox Commentary on Isaiah 7:14 with refutation regarding that the Child was one of Isaiah's?


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The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture will provide a lot of commentaries from various figures of the first 1,000 years of Christianity--EO, OO, and Assyrian. My suspicion is that references to Isaiah taking a wife (and especially the part about Immanuel) as referring to Isaiah's son come from the Jews and the bizarre commentary of the Orthodox Study Bible, not from the Fathers.
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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 08:12:43 AM »
What do we know about pre-christian understanding of the Son mentioned by Isaiah ?, is there any ancient texts from the early jews regarding who that child is ?. Such as 1. Hezekiah, 2. Maher-shalal-hashbaz or someone to come in the future?.

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Re: "Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel?"
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2012, 08:24:58 AM »
Is there a complete Orthodox Commentary on Isaiah 7:14 with refutation regarding that the Child was one of Isaiah's?


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The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture will provide a lot of commentaries from various figures of the first 1,000 years of Christianity--EO, OO, and Assyrian. My suspicion is that references to Isaiah taking a wife (and especially the part about Immanuel) as referring to Isaiah's son come from the Jews and the bizarre commentary of the Orthodox Study Bible, not from the Fathers.

Do you know where I can get those books the cheapest? The cheaper the better. I have been reading some of them on Google Books but pages are always missing there. It's always difficult to get those books as a poor high school student and 40 dollar for one volume is a little much for me  :(
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