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What is life?
« on: October 25, 2011, 05:03:37 PM »
How do you define life? and death? Physical and spiritual.

When the body dies, it is not annihilated. Rather, it's constituent parts are broken down, digested and dispersed throughout creation.

In the Fathers there is the idea of the dispersed nous. Am I right to see an analogy?

Is life something like wholeness and unity, while death is partedness and division?
1 Samuel 25:22 (KJV)
So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2011, 05:22:16 PM »
When you get drunk, does the alcohol scatter your nous, or is your nous some invisible entity that is not part of the body?
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2011, 05:29:19 PM »
When you get drunk, does the alcohol scatter your nous, or is your nous some invisible entity that is not part of the body?

Should I give you the answer you want, or what I actually think?
1 Samuel 25:22 (KJV)
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2011, 05:30:11 PM »
When you get drunk, does the alcohol scatter your nous, or is your nous some invisible entity that is not part of the body?

Should I give you the answer you want, or what I actually think?
I don't have this topic all sorted out, JLatimer. I'm as curious as you are.
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2011, 05:39:49 PM »
When you get drunk, does the alcohol scatter your nous, or is your nous some invisible entity that is not part of the body?

Should I give you the answer you want, or what I actually think?
I don't have this topic all sorted out, JLatimer. I'm as curious as you are.

Okay then.

My best answer to your question would be to say first of all that I don't think the nous as invisible/incorporeal excludes it being affected by the body (e.g., dispersed by drunkenness), or affecting the body (e.g., physical sickness as a symptom of spiritual sickness).

I guess I would say, yes; the nous is scattered when I get wasted.

But I wouldn't describe it as part of the body. I would probably describe it as part of my nephesh or 'soul', of which my body is also a part.

How would you describe it?
1 Samuel 25:22 (KJV)
So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2011, 05:25:37 PM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more
주 예수 그리스도 하느님의 아들이시여 저 이 죄인을 불쌍히 여기소서.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 09:33:13 PM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

 ;D

try this one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX83BSR0mug

I luv it,
Luv Vivaldi , Philippe Jaroussky does his work justice.

translation
Italian : Vedrò con mio diletto
l'alma dell'alma mia
Il core del mio cor pien di contento.
E se dal caro oggetto
lungi convien che sia
Sospirerò penando ogni momento...


English :I will see with joy,
the soul of my soul
heart of my heart full of content.
And if from my dear object
I be far away
I will sigh, suffering every moment...
 
translation  from ( http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=21179 )

 okay for those who want to hear the music of creation or the life that flows in creation moving every element in the joy of being... again  the Priest Antonio Vivaldi.. oh you might enjoy the sand animation in the video also a beautiful combination IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dHxJNsxJc


selam to you :angel:
To God be the Glory in all things! Amen!

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 10:27:24 AM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

 ;D

try this one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX83BSR0mug

I luv it,
Luv Vivaldi , Philippe Jaroussky does his work justice.

translation
Italian : Vedrò con mio diletto
l'alma dell'alma mia
Il core del mio cor pien di contento.
E se dal caro oggetto
lungi convien che sia
Sospirerò penando ogni momento...


English :I will see with joy,
the soul of my soul
heart of my heart full of content.
And if from my dear object
I be far away
I will sigh, suffering every moment...
 
translation  from ( http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=21179 )

 okay for those who want to hear the music of creation or the life that flows in creation moving every element in the joy of being... again  the Priest Antonio Vivaldi.. oh you might enjoy the sand animation in the video also a beautiful combination IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dHxJNsxJc


selam to you :angel:

What is this from?
1 Samuel 25:22 (KJV)
So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 05:36:22 PM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

 ;D

try this one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX83BSR0mug

I luv it,
Luv Vivaldi , Philippe Jaroussky does his work justice.

translation
Italian : Vedrò con mio diletto
l'alma dell'alma mia
Il core del mio cor pien di contento.
E se dal caro oggetto
lungi convien che sia
Sospirerò penando ogni momento...


English :I will see with joy,
the soul of my soul
heart of my heart full of content.
And if from my dear object
I be far away
I will sigh, suffering every moment...
 
translation  from ( http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=21179 )

 okay for those who want to hear the music of creation or the life that flows in creation moving every element in the joy of being... again  the Priest Antonio Vivaldi.. oh you might enjoy the sand animation in the video also a beautiful combination IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dHxJNsxJc


selam to you :angel:


That dude has a really high voice. As in, someone remove the rubberband, kind of high.

I'm going to need this.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 05:37:50 PM »
"Life is blessedness." --St. Barsanuphius of Optina
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 10:10:10 PM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

 ;D

try this one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX83BSR0mug

I luv it,
Luv Vivaldi , Philippe Jaroussky does his work justice.

translation
Italian : Vedrò con mio diletto
l'alma dell'alma mia
Il core del mio cor pien di contento.
E se dal caro oggetto
lungi convien che sia
Sospirerò penando ogni momento...


English :I will see with joy,
the soul of my soul
heart of my heart full of content.
And if from my dear object
I be far away
I will sigh, suffering every moment...
 
translation  from ( http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=21179 )

 okay for those who want to hear the music of creation or the life that flows in creation moving every element in the joy of being... again  the Priest Antonio Vivaldi.. oh you might enjoy the sand animation in the video also a beautiful combination IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dHxJNsxJc


selam to you :angel:

What is this from?

sorry JLatimer, i do not know if it even come close to answer these existential questions, but Vivaldi's  vedro con mio diletto, makes me think of a soul longing for union with her creator, and the separation is unbearable suffering so every day she lives in exile, she lives pining for her beloved and longs for that joyful day she will see him again. so it resonates with st paul's beautiful  ' for me to live is Christ , and to die is gain!' speech.

well I thought  at least for our definition of life , its better than Carl orff's beautiful O Fortuna though I relate to his version of this Life  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWiyKgeGWx0&feature=related   this beautiful concert almost takes away the dark side of this beautiful brutaly honest work ..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD3VsesSBsw
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 10:10:59 PM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

 ;D

try this one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX83BSR0mug

I luv it,
Luv Vivaldi , Philippe Jaroussky does his work justice.

translation
Italian : Vedrò con mio diletto
l'alma dell'alma mia
Il core del mio cor pien di contento.
E se dal caro oggetto
lungi convien che sia
Sospirerò penando ogni momento...


English :I will see with joy,
the soul of my soul
heart of my heart full of content.
And if from my dear object
I be far away
I will sigh, suffering every moment...
 
translation  from ( http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=21179 )

 okay for those who want to hear the music of creation or the life that flows in creation moving every element in the joy of being... again  the Priest Antonio Vivaldi.. oh you might enjoy the sand animation in the video also a beautiful combination IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dHxJNsxJc


selam to you :angel:


That dude has a really high voice. As in, someone remove the rubberband, kind of high.

I know right! ;D hehehe
To God be the Glory in all things! Amen!

Only pray for me, that God would give me both inward and outward strength, that I may not only speak, but truly will; and that I may not merely be called a Christian, but really be found to be one. St.Ignatius of Antioch.Epistle to the Romans.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2011, 10:24:54 AM »
Life is a special gift from God, we have to value it in due course. Life on earth can be full of peace or evil. 
Life will never finish but it will be different for all people.
Life is a chance, we have to live an use full resources for good works.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2011, 02:16:04 PM »
life and death can be here on earth... living is being extactic, participating to life, being active in life's purposes and activities, experiencing the moments of life (joys,sorrows,love,etc).You can experience death while on earth by being inactive in life.To live life you have to care about life.life ends with death, physical death.what comes after that is beyond us.no one knows.death is part of life.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2011, 02:19:48 PM »
[bad joke]

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.

[/bad joke]

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2011, 02:21:07 PM »
[bad joke]

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.

[/bad joke]

 ;)

Biro! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WROTE THAT!  >:( ;)
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2011, 02:23:35 PM »
I saw it on a poster in college.

Yet another thing I have to write down for my first Confession.  :)
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2011, 02:25:42 PM »
I saw it on a poster in college.

Yet another thing I have to write down for my first Confession.  :)

LOL, I'd be surprised if your confessor thought bad jokes were sinful.  :)

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2011, 02:27:51 PM »
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2011, 03:22:42 PM »
it was once a magazine

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2011, 02:18:55 PM »
^^ LOL it is also my name
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2012, 04:00:52 PM »
Life is a gift with different ways,
With peace and fails
Life is a good chance for right way
To move all troubles away

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2012, 04:17:05 PM »
Life is life

Although your link is no longer working, I am sure I am know what you are referring to.

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2012, 05:56:09 PM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more
Do you believe in life after love.
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2012, 06:26:44 PM »
Life is an everlasting moment and how your perceive it

That and a board game from Mattel

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Re: What is life?
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2012, 10:41:01 PM »
How do you define life? and death? Physical and spiritual.

When the body dies, it is not annihilated. Rather, it's constituent parts are broken down, digested and dispersed throughout creation.

In the Fathers there is the idea of the dispersed nous. Am I right to see an analogy?

Is life something like wholeness and unity, while death is partedness and division?

"Life is blessedness" --St. Barsanuphius of Optina, IIRC, a riff on St. Ambrose of Optina's "Monasticism is blessedness." The latest Optina elder is, of course, entitled to say, "Monasticism is life," and the circle will be complete.
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2012, 10:42:15 PM »
What is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

Except that she did. And I called the cops and got a restraining order. And she still claims to love me.
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Re: What is life?
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2012, 02:54:44 AM »
The purpose of life is deification. Life is deification. Death to a person being deified is not truly death but just being planted until the Resurrection. True death is when someone is not being deified; like me. Don't be like me. You don't want to be enslaved to your passions.
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