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Why don't you post much?  You can clarify your answers in the thread if you wish.

I only really want to lurk (i.e. read but not post).
6 (6.5%)
I haven't found a topic that interests me enough to post
6 (6.5%)
I don't feel that I have much to contribute
40 (43.5%)
The debate gets too "heated" for me to want to post
11 (12%)
I don't feel welcome enough to post
11 (12%)
I'm new here and haven't had the chance to yet
2 (2.2%)
It's too confusing
3 (3.3%)
Other (please clarify)
13 (14.1%)

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2015, 04:43:37 PM »
I'll be honest, this has been a tough forum to 'get' Lots i don't know about Orthodox culture means I don't get some of the jokes and banter, which kind of leaves me standing on the outside with my gob hanging open trying to think of something to add and failing.

Congratulations in maintaining your sanity.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2015, 04:48:20 PM »
Maybe just a "Newcomer" thread and a forum and Orthodox FAQs.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2015, 06:15:17 PM »
it's more likely the synthesis of the various personalities that make up this place.

Only the girls in the forum bring the occasional sanity.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #93 on: June 01, 2015, 07:04:29 PM »
So if I have this correct: people here are too judgmental, over-critical and mean-spirited, but at the same time too light-hearted, casual and frivolous? ???

Yes. It's far from impossible.

Think of sarcasm. It's meant to be funny, but can also be used to criticize, judge, and insult.

And politics is another problem.
There is always the option to not subscribe to politics.
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

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« Reply #94 on: June 01, 2015, 07:05:55 PM »
Maybe we shoule have a non-debate moderated forum for newcomers to be able to express themselves and ask questions.

No ad homines would be allowed, specially against newcomers, we should not assume they are inquirers seeking conversion, no acid sarcasm, no Church gossip or rumours, no taking positions on heated issues but just explaining what the current positions are and why people take them.
Isn't that what the Convert Issues section is for?
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #95 on: June 01, 2015, 08:05:10 PM »
Are we really listening to those who don't post much or just using this thread as yet another venue for sounding off on the culture of this forum?
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #96 on: June 01, 2015, 08:15:23 PM »
Maybe we shoule have a non-debate moderated forum for newcomers to be able to express themselves and ask questions.

No ad homines would be allowed, specially against newcomers, we should not assume they are inquirers seeking conversion, no acid sarcasm, no Church gossip or rumours, no taking positions on heated issues but just explaining what the current positions are and why people take them.
Isn't that what the Convert Issues section is for?

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #97 on: June 01, 2015, 08:25:17 PM »
I couldn't choose a reason, but Kostya and Liza voiced my concerns very well. I've been afraid to contribute much to the forums for the reasons they pointed out. And equally afraid to open up as to why.

As others have mentioned here, some of the threads can get, um, complex. When a topic is theologically or politically way over my head, I just find another thread.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2015, 03:47:49 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2015, 04:14:38 PM »
Joking is eternal.

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« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2015, 04:43:17 PM »
Only the girls in the forum bring the occasional sanity.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #101 on: June 02, 2015, 04:56:05 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.
no can do, my friend. I like joking. It is the only thing that keeps me sane. You don't  want to see an insane TheTrisagion do you? It isn't  a pretty sight.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #102 on: June 02, 2015, 05:01:55 PM »
I wouldn't consider turning this forum into Monachos to be an improvement.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #103 on: June 02, 2015, 05:14:25 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.

Is this a roundabout 'Jesus never laughed' reference I see before me?
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #104 on: June 02, 2015, 05:44:30 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.

Is this a roundabout 'Jesus never laughed' reference I see before me?
If Kostya doesn't want to post politics outside the Politics board and doesn't want to joke around, then I encourage Kostya to refrain from doing what he doesn't want to do. ;) No one's telling him he has to joke around.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #105 on: June 02, 2015, 06:52:56 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.

Is this a roundabout 'Jesus never laughed' reference I see before me?
If Kostya doesn't want to post politics outside the Politics board and doesn't want to joke around, then I encourage Kostya to refrain from doing what he doesn't want to do. ;) No one's telling him he has to joke around.

There's a time and a place for everything, and sometimes the kidding around happens when it shouldn't. I suspect this is what Kostya is getting at.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2015, 06:58:29 PM »
There's a time and a place for everything, and sometimes the kidding around happens when it shouldn't. I suspect this is what Kostya is getting at.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #107 on: June 02, 2015, 07:13:06 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.

Kostya, St. Irenaeus wrote a hilarious satire of Valentinian Gnostic cosmology in Against Heresies.  St. Augustine made a complex joke about Jesus tricking the devil in one of his writings, that Metropolitan Kallistos Ware quotes in his video on salvation.  So there is humor in the Patristic tradition.
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« Reply #108 on: June 02, 2015, 07:27:06 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.

Kostya, St. Irenaeus wrote a hilarious satire of Valentinian Gnostic cosmology in Against Heresies.  St. Augustine made a complex joke about Jesus tricking the devil in one of his writings, that Metropolitan Kallistos Ware quotes in his video on salvation.  So there is humor in the Patristic tradition.

There's a time and a place for everything, and sometimes the kidding around happens when it shouldn't. I suspect this is what Kostya is getting at.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #109 on: June 02, 2015, 07:42:42 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.

Kostya, St. Irenaeus wrote a hilarious satire of Valentinian Gnostic cosmology in Against Heresies.  St. Augustine made a complex joke about Jesus tricking the devil in one of his writings, that Metropolitan Kallistos Ware quotes in his video on salvation.  So there is humor in the Patristic tradition.

There's a time and a place for everything, and sometimes the kidding around happens when it shouldn't. I suspect this is what Kostya is getting at.
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« Reply #110 on: June 02, 2015, 08:39:03 PM »
So let's take it upon ourselves to set an example and make the forum better. No politics outside of the politics forum, and no joking.

Is this a roundabout 'Jesus never laughed' reference I see before me?

In this ancient icon of Germanic Jesus, we clearly see Jesus laughed with a very wide open mouth, making his blue eye sparkle quite merrily.

Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #111 on: June 02, 2015, 08:39:47 PM »
It doesn't appear to me that LBK is insulting wgw, Peter, just making an observation on their statement.

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« Reply #112 on: June 02, 2015, 09:00:58 PM »
It doesn't appear to me that LBK is insulting wgw, Peter, just making an observation on their statement.
There is history there. I'll just leave it at that.  :-X
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #113 on: June 02, 2015, 09:34:13 PM »
ps. never question the green.

the green is unquestionable, and thus never in error.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #114 on: June 02, 2015, 09:39:37 PM »
Why never question green? Is it an infallible color?

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« Reply #115 on: June 02, 2015, 09:44:17 PM »
Why never question green? Is it an infallible color?

in a word, yes


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« Reply #116 on: June 02, 2015, 09:49:29 PM »
Although, I am reasonable certain, despite the use of Green, that most of the things written in that color here, do NOT come from the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #117 on: June 02, 2015, 09:51:08 PM »
Oh okay. From now on I will not comment on any green text.

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« Reply #118 on: June 02, 2015, 09:52:41 PM »
Why never question green? Is it an infallible color?

in a word, yes


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Therefore it cannot be questioned
I wouldn't use exactly these words, but yes, this is accurate. We have a protocol in place for posters to question moderator actions via private messages. If you follow this protocol (not talking to just Denise here), then you will have no need to question moderator actions in public.
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« Reply #119 on: June 02, 2015, 09:54:02 PM »
Although, I am reasonable certain, despite the use of Green, that most of the things written in that color here, do NOT come from the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #120 on: June 02, 2015, 09:55:43 PM »
Although, I am reasonable certain, despite the use of Green, that most of the things written in that color here, do NOT come from the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2015, 09:58:32 PM »
Probably Peter, since he's the one who wrote it.

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« Reply #122 on: June 02, 2015, 10:12:23 PM »
Although, I am reasonable certain, despite the use of Green, that most of the things written in that color here, do NOT come from the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #123 on: June 03, 2015, 03:42:36 AM »
To reply about the humour thing, if I may, it's not so much that humour is shared, it's that sometimes the banter is such that it excludes people who aren't in on the joke. I don't mind humour in the slightest - but if I don't get the joke, I can't really join in.

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« Reply #124 on: June 03, 2015, 04:17:26 AM »
The very first thread I started got shut down due to people going on about neo-Confederacy and Southern rights. People here take it too far. I understand why the mods seem heavy-handed at times.
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« Reply #125 on: June 03, 2015, 11:32:42 AM »
The very first thread I started got shut down due to people going on about neo-Confederacy and Southern rights. People here take it too far. I understand why the mods seem heavy-handed at times.

What thread was this?
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« Reply #126 on: June 03, 2015, 07:09:01 PM »
The very first thread I started got shut down due to people going on about neo-Confederacy and Southern rights. People here take it too far. I understand why the mods seem heavy-handed at times.

What thread was this?

I reckon it's this one:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,61402.0/all.html

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« Reply #127 on: June 03, 2015, 07:48:00 PM »
To reply about the humour thing, if I may, it's not so much that humour is shared, it's that sometimes the banter is such that it excludes people who aren't in on the joke. I don't mind humour in the slightest - but if I don't get the joke, I can't really join in.
I feel bad about this. I'm pretty sure I do this and don't even realize it. It is so easy to joke around with people and forget that not everyone knows what we are talking about. Feel free to slap me up side the head if I do it.
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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #128 on: June 03, 2015, 07:55:52 PM »
To reply about the humour thing, if I may, it's not so much that humour is shared, it's that sometimes the banter is such that it excludes people who aren't in on the joke. I don't mind humour in the slightest - but if I don't get the joke, I can't really join in.
I feel bad about this. I'm pretty sure I do this and don't even realize it. It is so easy to joke around with people and forget that not everyone knows what we are talking about. Feel free to slap me up side the head if I do it.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #129 on: June 07, 2015, 12:46:36 AM »
If I were a more cunning thinker or a more capable writer, I might post more often; after all, I'm here nearly every day. Most of the time, however, I refrain from posting because I just don't feel as though I have anything meaningful to contribute or otherwise expect that someone else will come along (and they usually do) who will make my point better than I could.

I'm not much of a fan of posting frivolously or jokingly myself, either. Once in a while, sure, but I'm not going to pad my post count with it.

Then there's my indecisiveness. I spent a week mulling over this post and, honestly, there's nothing here I couldn't have written days ago.
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[Ecclesiastics] conspired against him because they hated his teaching for its zealous emphasis on proper Christian conduct: with great courage he denounced all whom he saw behaving in an ungodly fashion... [As such] he was deprived of his priestly rank, bound in iron chains, and broken down in jails.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #130 on: June 09, 2015, 05:15:37 PM »
I wouldn't consider turning this forum into Monachos to be an improvement.
I know that Monachos has a more serious tone, stricter moderation, and more comprehensive and weighty topics (Liturgy, Monasticism, Patristics) that OC.net might not take on, or might not include. However, I don't understand what you mean that this forum will turn into Monachos. If you really want an example of a serious orthodox forum, look at the Дiаконникъ from the website www.deacon.ru, and you will see that the rules are strictly enforced, that lay posters are limited to one post a day, and that laymen asking for advice is explicitly not allowed. OC.net will not turn into that, but I don't see how it can turn into Monachos either.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #131 on: June 09, 2015, 06:24:56 PM »
Let us please stop speaking of the dead (Monachos, may thy memory be eternal!), ok?

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #132 on: June 17, 2015, 03:52:14 AM »
It's quite strange. I feel really welcome in my home parish but feel positively unwelcome here. I've taken part in conversations on a lot of boards dealing with a lot of topics but never seen such a large percentage of posts, both my own and those from others, receive so much willful(?) misunderstanding and draw so many negative replies as here. So many who don't give any indication of having any particular qualifications seem to consider themselves experts in all things Orthodox and guardians of Orthodox purity.

I thank God I found a parish before I stumbled on OrthodoxChristianity.net. If this board was the face of Orthodoxy I'd met first, I would have run a mile.

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Re: For Those Who Don't Post Much (or Who Don't Post At All)
« Reply #133 on: June 17, 2015, 06:33:24 AM »
I thank God I found a parish before I stumbled on OrthodoxChristianity.net. If this board was the face of Orthodoxy I'd met first, I would have run a mile.
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