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« on: October 04, 2012, 03:58:31 PM »

Prayerful memorial service to Prince Paul at Cathedral church
4. October 2012

Tonight, on October 4, 2012 after the vesper service at the Cathedral Church in Belgrade, His Holiness Irinej, Serbian Patriarch will served the memorial service for Prince Paul Karadjordjevic, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola.

Next day, the Divine Liturgy will be served at the Cathedral Church, and later the commemoration will be served. In the afternoon hours the remains will be transferred to the church of Saint George on Oplenac.

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 in the church of Saint George on Oplenac the Divine Liturgy will be served, and the the remains of Prince Paul Karadjordjevic, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola will be buried in the crypt of the church on Oplenac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN2BED-O7io&feature=plcp




Serbain Patriarch Eirinaios with Serbian Royal Family today in Belgrade.


Prince Paul granddaughter Hollywood actress Catherine Oxenberg attended service in Belgrade cathedral.

More about Prince Paul:
http://www.princepaulroyalexile.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Paul_of_Yugoslavia

Remains of Serbian royals lie in state in Belgrade
October 4, 2012

BELGRADE -- The remains of Prince Pavle Krađorđević, his wife Olga and son Nikola are today lying in state in Belgrade's Cathedral Church of St. Michael the Archangel.

The citizens will have a chance to pay their respects until Friday afternoon, after which the bodies of the three members of the Serbian and later Yugoslav royal family will be taken to historic Oplenac, in central Serbia, to be buried in the crypt of the Church of St. George - the resting place of their ancestors.

Their remains were exhumed in Switzerland last week.

The ceremonies today - attended by top state officials, family members, and citizens - began in front of the church, where the national anthem was sounded, after which the coffins were brought inside.

Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC) Patriarch Irinej served memory service for the souls of the three members of the Krađorđević family.

President of Serbia Tomislav Nikolić and Serbian Prime Minister Ivica Dačić were in attendance.

The daughter of Prince Pavle, Elizabeth Karađorđević and members of her family were also present at the church this afternoon, as was Crown Prince Aleksandar Karađorđević.

Prince Palve Krađorđević was born in St. Petersburg, Russia, in 1893, and died in Paris, France, in 1976.

After King Aleksandar I Karađorđević was assassinated in France in 1934, Pavle became Yugoslav regent and remained in this role until 1941 and the Nazi German occupation, when he and his family left the country and subsequently lived in exile.

Declared a war criminal by the post-war Communist Yugoslav government, he was politically rehabilitated by the Serbian authorities last year, and will, along with his wife and son, be buried in Oplenac with highest state honors.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 06:57:54 PM »

This. Is. Awesome.  Im so glad the church is doing this
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 07:05:55 PM »

Good to know the Church of Serbia is correcting the negative actions of the Communists. 

Grant eternal rest, O Lord, to the souls of Thy departed servants among saints.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2012, 07:37:30 PM »

Prince Paul's official State visit to Germany 1939 (Paul refused to do the Nazi salute)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5HaPTQ5J4
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 07:59:24 PM »

Does anyone know if gorgeous Catherine Oxenberg claims to be Orthodox or not?  I've seen that her father was Jewish--I don't know if he converted, and it doesn't look like she was married in the church, but I'm not sure.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 08:15:40 PM »

Prince Paul daughter princess Elizabeth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dBfYbehKo0&feature=plcp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Elizabeth_of_Yugoslavia

Princess Elizabeth daughter actress Catherine Oxenber, Prince Paule granddaughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wBgsYljQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivRKVXAEPEo (in English, just several first seconds are in Serbian)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Oxenberg
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 08:20:02 PM »

Does anyone know if gorgeous Catherine Oxenberg claims to be Orthodox or not?  I've seen that her father was Jewish--I don't know if he converted, and it doesn't look like she was married in the church, but I'm not sure.

She is most probably not Orthodox.
Anyhow, today in Belgrade she made Orthodox Cross sign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN2BED-O7io&feature=plcp at 1:19
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 08:36:17 PM »

Another interview of Cathrine Oxenberg for Serbian Television
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL5auOsFhY0 (In English, just short intro in Serbian)
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 10:53:33 PM »

This. Is. Awesome.  Im so glad the church is doing this

Amin, Father.

Memory eternal!
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 12:42:28 AM »

Is this just a memorial service or an expression of Monarchism within the Serbian church?
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 02:44:30 AM »

Thanks so much for the information and the links.  Not-with-standing your honest reply about Ms. Oxenberg's religious affiliation, perhaps due to her appearant love for her Serbian heritage, I'll bet she would claim to be Orthodox,  even though she may not live the faith as we would expect, unfortunately, a not uncommon circumstance among celebraties who may not necessarily have been raised as Orthodox Christians; (she seems comfortable, naturally crossing herself).

I had not known the incredibly gorgeous Ms. Oxenberg was Serbian and I am happy to know now that she is. I think she was more attractive with short hair, not that I'm criticizing her looks.  Wow, she's kept her body in shape too!

I saw Bishop Ireney of Australia in one of the links and then watched another video of him.  He is an American citizen raised in Broadview Heights, Ohio, a Southwestern suburb of Cleveland, just a parcel away from St. Sava Serbian Eastern Orthodox Church, on (West) Wallings Road.  When he was an Archimandrite, he served as a Liturgical Assistant Priest in my GOAA parish.  He's a wonderful clergyman.  Australia's gain is our loss in America.  My Dad, of Blessed Memory, used to tell him he looks forward to him being the first Patriarch of America!  He is fond of restating the joke when in the company of Greek-Americans: "A Serbian was once asked, who are your friends?'  The Serbian answered, 'I have only two friends, God and the Greeks."  "God Grant him Many Years!"
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 02:58:57 AM »

Is this just a memorial service or an expression of Monarchism within the Serbian church?

Apparently also the latter one: royalfamily.org: Serbian Orthodox Leader Calls for Monarchy to be Reintroduced
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2012, 03:36:49 AM »

Is this just a memorial service or an expression of Monarchism within the Serbian church?

Alpo, this is just a memorial service to a Serbian ruler from 1934 - 1941 who died in exile.

The Communists bring a law in 1945 with whom they forbid to all members of Dynasty to ever enter in the country.
Prince died in 1974 Paris and was buried in Lausanne.
Until now due to the legal and other problems it was not possible to return him back in Serbia, but his daughter princess Elizabeth, made great effort to pass all the obstacles, and as a result of her work prince Paul is now again in Serbia.
The Church in this process play no role. Just, when he is back, pay memory services, which is normal.

The Serbs has another royal, the only monarch buried on American soil, king Peter II, who should be buried in Serbia in Karageorgevics endowment Oplenac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_II_of_Yugoslavia).
Anyhow due to the legal problems about this in USA this is not realized until now.

The dynasty and Serbian government manage all of the activities to return exiled Karagoerogevics and the Church play no role. Serbian government has special body with duty to help to restitute dynasty property, to restore their legal rights, etc.
Although Serbia is republic, that does not mean that we are against the Dynasty. They property should be restitute to them and all injustice which communist had done should be, if possible, rectify.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2012, 03:51:57 AM »

Apparently also the latter one: royalfamily.org: Serbian Orthodox Leader Calls for Monarchy to be Reintroduced

Alpo, we can not find some text from ten years ago, from crown prince Alexander page, and conclude that Church support monarchy.
It is simply not truth. Patriarch said it was tyrannic act and that should be null and void. This law, I mentioned above, done to many bad things to the Dynasty members, took their citizenship, took their property in Serbia, forbid them to ever enter Serbia, born and unborn members of family, etc... So yes, this should be null and void. Patriarch said that.
Press service of crown prince spin the news and provide their interpretation.

Serbian Church is neutral about this question and will support every decision of people.

The vast majority of Serbs in generally, and clerics too, are republicans.

The question should Serbia be monarchy or republic is not agenda here.

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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2012, 04:20:17 AM »

Is this just a memorial service or an expression of Monarchism within the Serbian church?
One more thing I remember now  Smiley
Memory service was attended also by president of Serbia and socialist prime minister of Serbia who is, of course, republican, with others top state dignitaries.
The socialist republic Government gave yesterday special guard of Serbian Army to carry the coffin.
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2012, 04:27:16 AM »

Prince Paul with his wife princess Olga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Olga_of_Greece_and_Denmark) opens Belgrade Fair in 1939
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5FhPXg1ak0
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2012, 05:03:01 AM »

Servos, thank you for correction. Most of us don't understand any Serbian and English-speaking world wide web can give fairly distorted perspective
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2012, 07:30:36 AM »

Interesting iconostasis in that church.
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2012, 08:42:55 AM »

Interesting iconostasis in that church.

Serbian baroque, usual for that period and region.
In English:
http://www.galerijamaticesrpske.rs/slikarstvo-ranog-baroka-en.html
http://www.galerijamaticesrpske.rs/slikarstvo-visokog-baroka-en.html
http://www.galerijamaticesrpske.rs/slikarstvo-kasnog-baroka-en.html

More about the church in English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Michael%27s_Cathedral_%28Belgrade%29

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2012, 11:09:08 AM »

5. October 2012

His Grace Bishop Irinej of Australia and New Zealand led today, on October 5, 2012 the Holy Hierarchal Liturgy in Belgrade's Cathedral church.

After the Liturgy, Bishop Irinej served the requiem to Prince Paul, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola s Karadjordjevic. The Bishop was concelebrated by Their Graces Bishop Atanasije of Hvosno and the priests of Archbishopric of Belgrade-Karlovac. с

The remains of Prince Paul, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola  Karadjordjevic will be displayed in the church until 17. In the afternoon hours they will be transferred to Oplenac.







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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2012, 03:44:53 PM »

Prince Paul remains are transferred today October the 5th at Oplenac.

Report from Serbian State Television
http://www.rts.rs/media/videoPopup.jsp?storyId=1186356

More about Oplenac
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplenac
http://www.oplenac.rs/home_eng.html

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2012, 03:50:29 PM »

Departing from Belgrade to Oplenac

video of Serbian state news agency Tanjug
http://www.tanjug.rs/videoDet.aspx?galID=75275
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2012, 04:53:25 AM »

Serbian president (left) and Serbian crown prince Alexander




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Prince Paul of Yugoslavia on the cover of Time Magazine in 1938.
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2012, 08:13:06 AM »

BBC: reburial of members of Serb Royal family

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t06waLSUI8I
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October 7, 2012
Remains of Serbian royals laid to rest
Source: Tanjug

OPLENAC -- Coffins with remains of Prince Pavle, his wife Olga and son Nikola were buried in the crypt of St. George's Church in Oplenac on Saturday.

The remains of the Serbian royals were transferred from the cemetery in Lausanne to Serbia last week.

Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić and members of the family said that this helped put right an injustice committed several decades ago.

The burial was attended by members of the family and numerous citizens who had been waiting for the ceremony to begin ever since early morning hours.

The coffin holding the remains of Prince Pavle was lowered into the crypt by members of the Serbian Army Guard while the coffins of Princess Olga and son Nikola were laid down by young men in the traditional costumes of the Šumadija region.

Crown Prince Aleksandar Karađorđević underscored that Princess Jelisaveta had worked for 20 years on having the remains of her father, mother and brother brought back to Serbia.

Pointing out that the family of Prince Pavle had finally been united, he noted that he wanted to bring back to Serbia the remains of his father king Petar II, mother and grandmother in 2013.

Princess Jelisaveta Karađorđević also said that this was a great day both for the Karađorđević family and Serbia because a great injustice had been put right and a deep wound had healed.

The burial was also attended by Jelisaveta’s daughter Catherine Oxenberg.

She said that the time had come to change the textbooks of history so that Serbia could move forward without any doubts.

Prince Pavle was rehabilitated on December 15, 2011, whereby the decision from 1945 was annulled according to which he was declared a war criminal and deprived of civil rights and property in the country.

Prince Pavle was born in St. Petersburg in 1893 and he ruled over the Kingdom of Yugoslavia for seven years, from 1934 until 1941. He died in Paris in September 1976.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2012, 10:00:38 AM »

Liturgy and the memorial service to Prince Paul, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola Karadjordjevic at Oplenac
7. October 2012

In the church of Holy Great Martyr George at Oplenac in the presence of the royal family Karadjordjevic, lots of faithful people, the Holy Hiearchal Liturgy was served and the requiem for Prince Paul, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola. With the blessing of His Grace Bishop Jovan of Sumadija, the Holy Hierarchal Liturgy was served by Bishop Pahomije of Vranje and he was concelebrated by Bishop Irinej of Australia-New Zealand with many priests.

Storing the remains in the crypt at Oplenac was attended besides Prince Paul's daughter - Elizabeth, with family; and representatives of the state leadership led by Serbian President Mr. Tomislav Nikolic, also by representatives of the European royal families, representatives of the city hall of Losanne, Prince Alexander Karadjordjevic and members of the diplomatic corps.

Princess Elizabeth, the daughter of Prince Paul Karadjordjevic, said that was now  a great injustice was corrected and the great wounds were healed and thanked  President of SerbiaTomislav Nikolic for her father was finally back to Serbia.

Alpo, pay attention at this moments:

"Storing the remains in the crypt at Oplenac was attended besides Prince Paul's daughter - Elizabeth, with family; and representatives of the state leadership led by Serbian President Mr. Tomislav Nikolic,  and members of the diplomatic corps."
There is president of Serbia with top state officials from the state side.
But, from the Church side there is just 2 bishops, one of the youngest Irinej of Australia. There is no Patriarch or any senior bishop, no one Synod member, even the local Bishop is not attended.

"Princess Elizabeth, the daughter of Prince Paul Karadjordjevic, thanked  President of SerbiaTomislav Nikolic for her father was finally back to Serbia."
She thanked the president and not the Patriarch or the Church, because, as I said, Church play no role in organization of this event, except of course serving the memory services.

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Arrival of remains of the Serbian royals at the church of Holy Great Martyr George at Oplenac
(Amateur Youtube video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tysR2zZaRkg
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2012, 11:11:09 AM »

Serbian State TV, recorded live transmition from Oplenac:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtgtWhTgDaE
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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2012, 02:00:30 PM »

October 7, 2012
Remains of Serbian royals laid to rest
Source: Tanjug

OPLENAC -- Coffins with remains of Prince Pavle, his wife Olga and son Nikola were buried in the crypt of St. George's Church in Oplenac on Saturday.

The remains of the Serbian royals were transferred from the cemetery in Lausanne to Serbia last week.

Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić and members of the family said that this helped put right an injustice committed several decades ago.

The burial was attended by members of the family and numerous citizens who had been waiting for the ceremony to begin ever since early morning hours.

The coffin holding the remains of Prince Pavle was lowered into the crypt by members of the Serbian Army Guard while the coffins of Princess Olga and son Nikola were laid down by young men in the traditional costumes of the Šumadija region.

Crown Prince Aleksandar Karađorđević underscored that Princess Jelisaveta had worked for 20 years on having the remains of her father, mother and brother brought back to Serbia.

Pointing out that the family of Prince Pavle had finally been united, he noted that he wanted to bring back to Serbia the remains of his father king Petar II, mother and grandmother in 2013.

Princess Jelisaveta Karađorđević also said that this was a great day both for the Karađorđević family and Serbia because a great injustice had been put right and a deep wound had healed.

The burial was also attended by Jelisaveta’s daughter Catherine Oxenberg.

She said that the time had come to change the textbooks of history so that Serbia could move forward without any doubts.

Prince Pavle was rehabilitated on December 15, 2011, whereby the decision from 1945 was annulled according to which he was declared a war criminal and deprived of civil rights and property in the country.

Prince Pavle was born in St. Petersburg in 1893 and he ruled over the Kingdom of Yugoslavia for seven years, from 1934 until 1941. He died in Paris in September 1976.

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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2012, 02:01:08 PM »

  can you also please provide the link for this as well? 

Liturgy and the memorial service to Prince Paul, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola Karadjordjevic at Oplenac
7. October 2012

In the church of Holy Great Martyr George at Oplenac in the presence of the royal family Karadjordjevic, lots of faithful people, the Holy Hiearchal Liturgy was served and the requiem for Prince Paul, Princess Olga and Prince Nikola. With the blessing of His Grace Bishop Jovan of Sumadija, the Holy Hierarchal Liturgy was served by Bishop Pahomije of Vranje and he was concelebrated by Bishop Irinej of Australia-New Zealand with many priests.

Storing the remains in the crypt at Oplenac was attended besides Prince Paul's daughter - Elizabeth, with family; and representatives of the state leadership led by Serbian President Mr. Tomislav Nikolic, also by representatives of the European royal families, representatives of the city hall of Losanne, Prince Alexander Karadjordjevic and members of the diplomatic corps.

Princess Elizabeth, the daughter of Prince Paul Karadjordjevic, said that was now  a great injustice was corrected and the great wounds were healed and thanked  President of SerbiaTomislav Nikolic for her father was finally back to Serbia.

Alpo, pay attention at this moments:

"Storing the remains in the crypt at Oplenac was attended besides Prince Paul's daughter - Elizabeth, with family; and representatives of the state leadership led by Serbian President Mr. Tomislav Nikolic,  and members of the diplomatic corps."
There is president of Serbia with top state officials from the state side.
But, from the Church side there is just 2 bishops, one of the youngest Irinej of Australia. There is no Patriarch or any senior bishop, no one Synod member, even the local Bishop is not attended.

"Princess Elizabeth, the daughter of Prince Paul Karadjordjevic, thanked  President of SerbiaTomislav Nikolic for her father was finally back to Serbia."
She thanked the president and not the Patriarch or the Church, because, as I said, Church play no role in organization of this event, except of course serving the memory services.


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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2012, 02:39:42 PM »

Oooops... sorry.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=10&dd=07&nav_id=82538

http://www.spc.rs/eng/liturgy_and_memorial_service_prince_paul_princess_olga_and_prince_nikola_karadjordjevic_oplenac
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