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« on: October 02, 2012, 12:03:42 AM »

Make it happen, bro.

EDIT: At the very least you could join a WR parish so you're not too homesick.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 12:15:10 AM »

You can even get an icon of St. Leo the great with an excerpt from his vesperal stichera on the scroll, "What shall we call thee, O Holy Father Leo, head of the Orthodox Churches of Christ?" Yes, indeed. No qualms with the papal claims of Leo I.
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 12:24:22 AM »

Let's create a saint like St Josaphat, but St Thomas Aquinas in Orthodox form.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 12:51:36 AM »

Let's create a saint like St Josaphat, but St Thomas Aquinas in Orthodox form.

According to the Western Captivity, isn't that St. Peter Moghila or something?
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 12:54:11 AM »

Let's create a saint like St Josaphat, but St Thomas Aquinas in Orthodox form.

According to the Western Captivity, isn't that St. Peter Moghila or something?

LOL!

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 01:15:09 AM »

Is this an online petition?  Where do I sign? Tongue
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Miracles can happen.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 11:14:58 AM »

Ha!  Cheesy Well I'm glad to see that you all are thinking about me.  Grin But really? A scholastic Eastern Orthodox Christian?  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 11:24:06 AM »

And what would you do about your screen name?
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2012, 11:27:06 AM »

But really? A scholastic Eastern Orthodox Christian?  Cheesy

You could be a trendsetter.
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Ha!  Cheesy Well I'm glad to see that you all are thinking about me.  Grin But really? A scholastic Eastern Orthodox Christian?  Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 12:56:17 PM »

I think Papist already *is* orthodox.  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 12:59:24 PM »

I think Papist already *is* orthodox.  Grin
Agreed! Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2012, 01:23:22 PM »

A scholastic Eastern Orthodox Christian?  Cheesy

Sounds good to me. Besides Eastern we are also the Western Church after all. Wink
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 01:36:22 PM »

I think Papist already *is* orthodox.  Grin
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 01:41:56 PM »

I think Papist already *is* orthodox.  Grin
Agreed! Smiley

So, "problem" (not that there *is* a problem) solved.  Wink
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What's not clear?
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2012, 01:55:40 PM »


The orthodox part....... Kiss
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2012, 02:04:13 PM »

The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2012, 02:10:01 PM »

The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.

Yep....
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The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.

Yep....

Good.  Now you understand.  Smiley
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The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.
You're lucky Isa is out to lunch for 30 days.
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The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.
You're lucky Isa is out to lunch for 30 days.

That explains why it's been so "tame" around here  Grin.  Not to mention the lack of pretty maps  Wink  Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2012, 02:35:47 PM »

The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.
You're lucky Isa is out to lunch for 30 days.

That explains why it's been so "tame" around here  Grin.  Not to mention the lack of pretty maps  Wink  Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2012, 02:39:15 PM »

To be honest, there are quite a few things within the Eastern Orthodox Church that I find beautiful and alluring, but those same things, I believe I can find in the Catholic Church. What is more, there are some doctrines in the Eastern Orthodox Church with which I disagree. I'm not here to fight about those things, as I'm a guest, but these are the reasons why I remain where I am... that and I'm a big 'ol honkin Thomist. Smiley
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The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.
You're lucky Isa is out to lunch for 30 days.

That explains why it's been so "tame" around here  Grin.  Not to mention the lack of pretty maps  Wink  Roll Eyes.


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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2012, 03:57:21 PM »

The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.

We are also the Church of Christ, and the real witnesses of Jehovah, and the ones with the valid Baptism (so true Baptists), and the ones with the right Method to get to Heaven (Methodists), and the ones with the real Gospel (true Evangelicals). Etc, etc. But insisting on these titles doesn't facilitate discussion.
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The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.

We are also the Church of Christ, and the real witnesses of Jehovah, and the ones with the valid Baptism (so true Baptists), and the ones with the right Method to get to Heaven (Methodists), and the ones with the real Gospel (true Evangelicals). Etc, etc. But insisting on these titles doesn't facilitate discussion.

It was a dumb ecumenical gibe, do you jibe?
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The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.

We are also the Church of Christ, and the real witnesses of Jehovah, and the ones with the valid Baptism (so true Baptists), and the ones with the right Method to get to Heaven (Methodists), and the ones with the real Gospel (true Evangelicals). Etc, etc. But insisting on these titles doesn't facilitate discussion.

It was a dumb ecumenical gibe, do you jibe?

'Course I jibe. Whatever that means. I was adding to the gibe. Do you jibe?
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2012, 06:16:06 PM »

Make it happen, bro.

EDIT: At the very least you could join a WR parish so you're not too homesick.

Which is equivalent to saying that an Eastern Orthodox should (at the very least) convert to Eastern Catholicism. How many do you know who have done that? Not too many I would guess.
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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2012, 07:49:09 PM »

Make it happen, bro.

EDIT: At the very least you could join a WR parish so you're not too homesick.
The interesting thing is that there is not much of an Eastern Orthodox presence here in Albuquerque. There is lovely Greek Orthodox parish, St. George's, which has had a very positive relationship with the local Byzantine Catholic Parish, Our Lady of Perpetual Help. There is also a small OCA mission, with very few parishoners. We definitely don't have any Western Rite Orthodox parishes. I believe there is Russian Orthodox parish just north of us in Santa Fe.
In any case, there are Catholic Churches on just about every corner.  Cheesy
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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2012, 07:56:51 PM »

Make it happen, bro.

EDIT: At the very least you could join a WR parish so you're not too homesick.

Which is equivalent to saying that an Eastern Orthodox should (at the very least) convert to Eastern Catholicism. How many do you know who have done that? Not too many I would guess.
Well get us to believe in the roman pontiff, as you do, and we'll see. Wink
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« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2012, 11:14:51 PM »

And what would you do about your screen name?

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Ha!  Cheesy Well I'm glad to see that you all are thinking about me.  Grin But really? A scholastic Eastern Orthodox Christian?  Cheesy

Haven't you met Vico over at CAF? Tongue
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The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.
You're lucky Isa is out to lunch for 30 days.

That explains why it's been so "tame" around here  Grin.  Not to mention the lack of pretty maps  Wink  Roll Eyes.



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Ha!  Cheesy Well I'm glad to see that you all are thinking about me.  Grin But really? A scholastic Eastern Orthodox Christian?  Cheesy

Haven't you met Vico over at CAF? Tongue
I was banned from CAF for suggesting that Catholics and Easern Orthodox don't agree on everything.  Cheesy
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I was banned from CAF for suggesting that Catholics and Easern Orthodox don't agree on everything.  Cheesy

Vico is supposed to be Eastern Catholic, but any thread he goes into he answers with citations from the Code of Canon Law, CCC, Papal documents, etc.  You can't be more legalistic than that, and this is from someone who says he is EC.
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2012, 11:27:57 AM »

I was banned from CAF for suggesting that Catholics and Easern Orthodox don't agree on everything.  Cheesy

Vico is supposed to be Eastern Catholic, but any thread he goes into he answers with citations from the Code of Canon Law, CCC, Papal documents, etc.  You can't be more legalistic than that, and this is from someone who says he is EC.
Don't the Eastern Orthodox also have a canon law that they must follow, and don't they cite the Church Fathers regularly?
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I was banned from CAF for suggesting that Catholics and Easern Orthodox don't agree on everything.  Cheesy

Vico is supposed to be Eastern Catholic, but any thread he goes into he answers with citations from the Code of Canon Law, CCC, Papal documents, etc.  You can't be more legalistic than that, and this is from someone who says he is EC.
Don't the Eastern Orthodox also have a canon law that they must follow, and don't they cite the Church Fathers regularly?

Canon Law is interpreted by the discretion of Bishops. It is not a strict legal system.
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I was banned from CAF for suggesting that Catholics and Easern Orthodox don't agree on everything.  Cheesy

Vico is supposed to be Eastern Catholic, but any thread he goes into he answers with citations from the Code of Canon Law, CCC, Papal documents, etc.  You can't be more legalistic than that, and this is from someone who says he is EC.

Vico's posts are always so horribly boring.
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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2012, 12:53:03 PM »

The Orthodox are catholic. The Catholics are orthodox. And each one will protest such till the end of time.

We are also the Church of Christ, and the real witnesses of Jehovah, and the ones with the valid Baptism (so true Baptists), and the ones with the right Method to get to Heaven (Methodists), and the ones with the real Gospel (true Evangelicals). Etc, etc. But insisting on these titles doesn't facilitate discussion.

Jehovah is a total misnomer.
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Jehovah is a total misnomer.

I Agree.  Ancient Hebrew didnt use vowels only consonants.   Jehovah a dirivative of Yahweh can not be a dependable expression of God's name.
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Vico's posts are always so horribly boring.

Not if you're trying to become a Canon Lawyer Tongue
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« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2012, 01:27:55 PM »

Don't the Eastern Orthodox also have a canon law that they must follow, and don't they cite the Church Fathers regularly?


The purpose of Canon Laws have become different between East and West.  Sadly, every internet Roman Catholic thinks he is a Canon Law expert and can use it to win internet debates or admonish someone else.
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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2012, 01:55:41 PM »

Don't the Eastern Orthodox also have a canon law that they must follow, and don't they cite the Church Fathers regularly?


The purpose of Canon Laws have become different between East and West.  Sadly, every internet Roman Catholic thinks he is a Canon Law expert and can use it to win internet debates or admonish someone else.
I won't even touch the stuff. For a person to really use canon law in a debate, that person has to be pretty well acquainted with the law.
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Don't the Eastern Orthodox also have a canon law that they must follow, and don't they cite the Church Fathers regularly?


The purpose of Canon Laws have become different between East and West.  Sadly, every internet Roman Catholic thinks he is a Canon Law expert and can use it to win internet debates or admonish someone else.
I won't even touch the stuff. For a person to really use canon law in a debate, that person has to be pretty well acquainted with the law.

I agree.  Sadly I have been there and done that.  That is why I realize it is ridiculous for people to think they can liberally apply the law to anyone, anytime.  It is not as simple as that and Canon Law was not meant to be used for that.
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Don't the Eastern Orthodox also have a canon law that they must follow, and don't they cite the Church Fathers regularly?


The purpose of Canon Laws have become different between East and West.  Sadly, every internet Roman Catholic thinks he is a Canon Law expert and can use it to win internet debates or admonish someone else.

Do you mean "Roman Catholic" in the sense of "Latin Catholic"? (Which seems to be its usual definition on CAF, but I don't want to assume, since that could lead to misunderstandings down the line.)
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- Peter Jericho (a CAF poster)
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