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Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« on: October 01, 2012, 11:44:28 AM »
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God's wrath:
http://www.gci.org/_lib/playvideo.php?program=YI/YI112&title=Steve+McVey:+What+Is+God's+Wrath%3f

The Father Gets a Bad Rap:
http://www.gci.org/_lib/playvideo.php?program=YI/YI111&title=Steve+McVey:+The+Father+Gets+a+Bad+Rap

What do orthodox christians think of the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve mcvey)?

His image of Father and his teaching of God 's wrath, atonement,sin, hell,etc  do not aligh with the mainstream of Western Christian.These seem closer to the Eastern Christian.Do you have any comments on these teachings?
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Re: Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2012, 09:33:00 PM »
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God's wrath:
http://www.gci.org/_lib/playvideo.php?program=YI/YI112&title=Steve+McVey:+What+Is+God's+Wrath%3f

The Father Gets a Bad Rap:
http://www.gci.org/_lib/playvideo.php?program=YI/YI111&title=Steve+McVey:+The+Father+Gets+a+Bad+Rap

What do orthodox christians think of the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve mcvey)?

His image of Father and his teaching of God 's wrath, atonement,sin, hell,etc  do not aligh with the mainstream of Western Christian.These seem closer to the Eastern Christian.Do you have any comments on these teachings?

Sounds like He's been reading alot of Karl Barth,or listening to one of His current proponents C. Baxter Kruger. If you do some reading on late 19th century Protestant Liberalism you will get an idea where He's coming from. Much of what He talks about does distance His teachings from Western thought,but some of this teaching is mixed with secular liberalism,so you have to be careful,some have even said  that this kind of teaching borders on Universalism.
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Re: Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 05:05:19 AM »
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http://gracewalkministries.blogspot.hk/2011/02/should-we-be-universalists-trinitarians.html
http://gracewalkministries.blogspot.hk/2010/11/question-about-things-im-teaching-these.html

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The teaching of trianitarian:
http://thesurprisinggodblog.gci.org/p/what-is-trinitarian-incarnational.html

He is a Trinitarian, not Universalist.

Triniarian believe forgiveness and acceptance are the benefit of cross.All men are accepted by God and all sins are forgiven by God through the finishedwork of Christ. If a man believe this truth and reality , he will be able to enjoy and experience all these benefits of the forgiveness and acceptance from GOd. However, if a man is blind , do not know/believe and cannot see this reality,he will continue living in the lies that he believes as well as  cannot enjoy and experience any benefit of forgiveness and acceptance from God.

Triniarian believe God has reconciled all men to himself through the Christ. This is the truth and objective reality. If a man believes in this truth and reality, he will be able to  enjoy and experience all these benefits ,e.g.reconciliation with God. Howevever, if a men is blind as well as cannot see and do not  know or believe the finished work of Jesus,  he will still live in the lie that he believes, cannot experience and enjoy any benefit of reconciliation with God and still be in the state of alienating from God.

Triniarian does not believe that all men will saved in the final judgment. However, Trinitarian believe God will  open his kingdom and allow all men to enter .But you still have the free-will ,choose not to ignore this love and grace from God and not entering in it.


The above links in the quotes will help you know about the teaching of trinitarian. Any comment about this teaching?
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Re: Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 05:38:50 AM »
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Triniarian does not believe that all men will saved in the final judgment. However, Trinitarian believe God will  open his kingdom and allow all men to enter .But you still have the free-will ,choose not to ignore this love and grace from God and not entering in it.

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Triniarian does not believe that all men will saved in the final judgment. However, Trinitarian believe God will  open his kingdom and allow all men to enter .But you still have the free-will ,choose  to accept His love and enter his kindgom or not.
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Re: Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 06:57:30 AM »
He is a Trinitarian, not Universalist.

It's quite possible to be both. Are you confusing Universalism with Unitarianism? Christian Universalism is the teaching that all will be reconciled to God (apocatastasis). This was condemned by the Church (we can personally hope for it but cannot teach it as fact), but it has nothing to do with whether God is Triune or not.

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Re: Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 07:24:13 AM »
Trinitarian, Christ-centered theology is not talking about trinity. The key points of this theology is as follow:

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1. The Triune God created all people to participate through the vicarious (representative/substitutionary) humanity of Jesus Christ in the love relationship enjoyed by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


2. The Son became human, the man Jesus Christ, to reconcile all humanity to God through his birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension.


3. The crucified, resurrected and glorified Jesus is the representative and the substitute for humanity at the right hand of God, and he draws all people to himself by the power of the Holy Spirit.


4. In Christ, humanity is loved and accepted by the Father.


5. Jesus Christ paid for all our sins – past, present and future – and there is no longer any debt to pay.

6. The Father has in Christ forgiven all our sins, and he eagerly desires that we turn to him.


7. We can enjoy his love only when we believe that he loves us. We can enjoy his forgiveness only when we believe he has forgiven us.


8. When we respond to the Spirit by turning to God, believing the good news and picking up our cross and following Jesus, the Spirit leads us into the transformed life of God's kingdom.

The core of this theology is that all past, present and future sins have been forgiven by God through the finished work of Christ. You can enjoy and experience God's forgiveness only when you know and believe God has forgiven you.What do you think about this theology?
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Re: Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 07:35:39 AM »
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The core of this theology is that all past, present and future sins are forgiven by God . You can enjoy and experience God's forgiveness only when you know and believe God has forgiven us.What do you think about this theology?
That is not Trinitarianism.

This is Universalism. You can be a Trinitarianist and a Universalist. They are not exclusive.

However you can not be a Trinitarianist and a Unitarian. Hope this clears it up :)

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Re: Any comment about the teaching of this pastor(e.g.Steve Mcvey)?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 09:51:46 AM »
Trinitarian, Christ-centered theology is not talking about trinity. The key points of this theology is as follow:
Actually, yes it does talk about the Trinity. In fact, Trinitarian, Christ-centered theology sees the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation of the Son as the fundamental truths of our salvation. The points you see as key to this theology do at first glance appear to touch on universalism. (I disagree with you that these are even the key points to Trinitarian, Christ-centered theology. To me, these points you see as key merely present a soteriological extension of the theology.)  But I think the attempts to understand the life of the Trinity and the Incarnation as central to our faith actually have their home in Orthodox Christianity.
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