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Question: Do you believe in God ?  Do you believe in Jesus's divinity ? Do you believe in Jesus's resurrection? Do you believe in the Hoy Trinity ?
For the first question : Yes, I believe in God. - 36 (19.5%)
For the first question : No, I do not believe in God. - 1 (0.5%)
For the first question : I don't know / I refuse to answer. - 0 (0%)
For the second question : Yes, I do believe in Jesus Christ. - 36 (19.5%)
For the second question : No, I do not believe in Jesus Christ. - 1 (0.5%)
For the second question : I do not know / I refuse to answer. - 1 (0.5%)
For the third question : Yes, I do believe in Jesus's divinity. - 33 (17.8%)
For the third question : No, I do not believe in Jesus's divinity. - 1 (0.5%)
For the third question : I do not know / I refuse to answer. - 2 (1.1%)
For the fourth question : Yes, I do believe in Jesus's resurrection. - 35 (18.9%)
For the fourth question : No, I do not believe in Jesus's resurrection. - 1 (0.5%)
For the fourth question : I do not know / I refuse to answer. - 1 (0.5%)
For the the fifth question : Yes, I do believe in the Holy Trinity. - 34 (18.4%)
For the fifth question : No, I do not believe in the Holy Trinity. - 2 (1.1%)
For the fifth question : I do not know / I refuse to answer. - 1 (0.5%)
Total Voters: 38

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« on: June 05, 2014, 09:48:34 PM »

This is a small poll, I'm interested to know what your answer will be.

It is kind of complicated poll. So, here is the explanation.

There are actually 5 questions in the poll. Each question has 3 options. You have to choose only 1 option for each question.

Option 1-2-3 are for the first question.
Option 4-5-6 are for the second question.
Option 7-8-9 are for the third question.
Option 10-11-12 are for the fourth question.
Option 13-14-15 are for the fifth question.

Each member can choose 5 option to answer the whole questions which are 5.


WARNING : Sadly there was mistake. The second question is NOT mentioned above. However the answering options are there. The Second question is " Do you believe in Jesus Christ ? ". I apologize  Embarrassed

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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2014, 10:26:27 PM »

Raylight, what are you trying to accomplish with this poll?

Edit: So far, one of the 13 people who voted doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity (not me).
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2014, 10:40:24 PM »

I gather that Ray is trying to see if Orthodox Christians have the same beliefs.

In Protestantism, people have various beliefs on important dogmas even within the same denomination.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2014, 10:55:17 PM »

I am as familiar with the idiom "I believe in ..." as anybody can be, I imagine -- but at face value it is almost meaninglessly vague. I suppose "I commit myself to arguing in favor of ..." is too literal an interpretation. Emotionally I suppose it means "I think true and feel important that ..." Of course it is found in the Creed as the English translated it. I haven't done any study of that. My preference would be to return to the Greek of the Gospels that (evidently) inspired the idiom and say (πιστεύω εις ...) "I trust to..." -- but then a personage rather than an opinion seems indicated. "I trust to God." "I know he is real." "I feel his forgiveness." These seem clearer, to me -- and avoid the company of such American Evangelicalisms as "Do you believe in rock music?"
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2014, 10:59:21 PM »

Raylight, what are you trying to accomplish with this poll?

Edit: So far, one of the 13 people who voted doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity (not me).

If you look closely, you'll see that the discrepancy may be due to confusion with the buttons.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2014, 11:01:28 PM »

Raylight, what are you trying to accomplish with this poll?

Edit: So far, one of the 13 people who voted doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity (not me).

No doubt, it is one of the atheistic, agnostics, or non-Christian posters (we do have several members who are Jewish or Muslim).
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 09:15:05 PM »

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For the first question : No, I do not believe in God.    - 1 (0.8%)

For the second question : No, I do not believe in Jesus Christ.    - 1 (0.8%)

For the third question : No, I do not believe in Jesus's divinity.    - 1 (0.8%)

For the fourth question : No, I do not believe in Jesus's resurrection.    - 1 (0.8%)

For the fifth question : No, I do not believe in the Holy Trinity.    - 2 (1.6%)


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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2014, 09:27:08 PM »



The mods must have forgotten to make them fill out and submit the required 274 page orthodox belief questionnaire and affirmation form when they registered! How else could such reprobate atheist heretics slip in?
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2014, 09:37:53 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 12:37:52 AM »

I have all Orthodox answers. 

I waver on the with the phrase "trinity".   I certainly believe in the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as God.   The son was both man and God.

I refuse to put God in that box and the phrase is awkward.   TRI-UNI  - It's a tricycle AND unicycle.

It's creating a situation of whole numerical values were given and = sign (3=1) and are put in a handy label.  It was term used completely imagined up by theologians in Nicea.  It was there to help gentiles & jews understand that Christianity is not polytheistic, but remains monotheistic through this term.

God is one.  This is clearly spelled out for us. 

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ARE God.

Saying "Trinity" gives credence to confusion - rather than "God has many distinct parts", it is "There are 3 Gods that are one".

It's a term thing, not a concept.  It's bothersome because I tried to explain this to a Hindu once (long ago selling a warehouse of fax machines to him).   It just was a mess to explain it out.  So I had to leave it at "God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit".    He couldn't get away from the Polytheistic concept until it was explained that "god has many parts but is one God".
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2014, 12:44:14 AM »

God is one.  This is clearly spelled out for us. 

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ARE God.

Saying "Trinity" gives credence to confusion...

No, it explains why you use both singular and plural verbs for a singular noun.   

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...rather than "God has many distinct parts", it is "There are 3 Gods that are one".

Oh yeah, that's MUCH better. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2014, 01:00:26 AM »

It was term used completely imagined up by theologians in Nicea.

Was it? Nicaea didn't even really deal with the Holy Spirit at all, so I doubt that's where they coined "Trinity."

Saying "Trinity" gives credence to confusion ... it is "There are 3 Gods that are one".

And I really don't think anyone takes it to mean that, except maybe LDS Mormons.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2014, 01:01:04 AM »

I am as familiar with the idiom "I believe in ..." as anybody can be, I imagine -- but at face value it is almost meaninglessly vague. I suppose "I commit myself to arguing in favor of ..." is too literal an interpretation. Emotionally I suppose it means "I think true and feel important that ..." Of course it is found in the Creed as the English translated it. I haven't done any study of that. My preference would be to return to the Greek of the Gospels that (evidently) inspired the idiom and say (πιστεύω εις ...) "I trust to..." -- but then a personage rather than an opinion seems indicated. "I trust to God." "I know he is real." "I feel his forgiveness." These seem clearer, to me -- and avoid the company of such American Evangelicalisms as "Do you believe in rock music?"

My preferred interpretation of "I believe in" is "I hold fast to."

And why was "Do you believe in Jesus Christ's humanity?" not a question?
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2014, 01:05:53 AM »

And why was "Do you believe in Jesus Christ's humanity?" not a question?

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