YIM, I think you really need to need to read that article Minnesotan linked to. It's fascinating
The curious fact here is that nowhere in the New Testament do we find a teaching, explicit or implied, that the old form of worship has been abolished and replaced by a new order of worship. One would have to read certain assumptions into the New Testament to reach these conclusions. Underlying Calvin’s puritanical approach to worship is an early form of JN Darby’s dispensationalism. Calvin sees a major break between the Old and New covenants including their forms of worship.http://orthodoxbridge.com/john-calvin-on-incense/
Volnutt, read through Yesh's past posts. He is not interesting in learning, only preaching.
I'm familiar with his posting history. I think he's in even more pain than I was when I first came here, both feeling drawn to Orthodoxy but having a crisis of conscience over it at the same time. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and try to help him know the peace I'm coming to on these issues.
Thank you for seeing this Volnutt. It's true what you say. I wouldn't be on OC.net if there was not a draw to Eastern Orthodoxy. I think all of us know that we are on a "walk of faith". There are some on here who jump into Eastern Orthodoxy, are stable with Eastern Orthodoxy, simply become Eastern Orthodox, leave Orthodoxy, leave faith all together, and many other religions to talk/debate/discuss.
I'm glad you see there are some deep wounds I have. It's a question of whether the wounds would draw me completely away from the church and heal elsewhere in another Christian church, or if those wounds would heal within the Eastern Orthodox church.
Both unfortunately & fortunately a forum like this gives such a place for issues to come out. Unfortunate that issues are displayed and upset others, yet fortunate that it would give people like me a chance to bring the conflicting issues to light without having to "personally" upset somebody "on the spot". It makes those who want to discuss able to discuss, those who want to poke fun to poke fun, and those who want to seriously debate, debate. It also gives a chance for people to discuss without intimidation. When passionate, I can have a forceful voice in person (not mean or in anger just bold & louder). I would hate for that to cause intimidation to anybody in person. Here they can lemme have it!
I have shelves of EO books, home made EO crosses, and other liturgical types of things still (won't get into exacts right now, but I show proper respect with certain things, not reverence, but respect, if I fully abandon EO, certain things will be given to a proper place that any EO would respect where these things went). Respect is always important in difference. I always give myself a chance to go back to EO. As a person, I have to admit there is always that possibility what is "so right today" is "wrong tomorrow". Seriously I could be wrong.
If I ever go back to EO, I'll multiply my posts by seven in defense of EO and recant everything that I found wrong and state why. I've already recanted on the date of feast of Pascha (date) and Christmas (date - Shirak of Antioch).
But yes, icons is a super dooper raw issue or me. One day it may work its way "back in". If it does I'll let everybody on this forum know and the reason(s) I came to peace (if so).
But thank you for bringing to light the wounds. There is a draw to EO, you are right. Those "for sure" in their faith, I admire for never questioning.