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« Reply #540 on: July 04, 2013, 06:43:35 AM »

That sort of language is outdated to say the least. It's not that hard to wrap your brain around it.
So, God is outdated (dead)?
For quite some time. Are you just catching up?

I don't submit to fads.
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« Reply #541 on: July 04, 2013, 06:44:14 AM »

Yeah you should probably refine your understand of both slavery and homosexuality . And racism.

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Engaging in heterosexual sex is an act of homosexuality. And it is never two people engaging in sex, it is three. I would say it is reflexive on gratifying our unconscious desires and perversions.


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« Reply #542 on: July 04, 2013, 06:54:44 AM »

Engaging in heterosexual sex is an act of homosexuality. And it is never two people engaging in sex, it is three. I would say it is reflexive on gratifying our unconscious desires and perversions.


Shouldn't they be at least four, then? What if there are mirrors on all four walls of the bedroom?

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« Reply #543 on: July 04, 2013, 07:35:38 AM »

I never said that. This whole "homosexuality is an abomination to the LORD!!! Sodomites! ANIMALS!" nonsense... that's outdated. And, well, really gross bigotry. Bigotry just might be more distasteful than buggery.

Far be it from me to pretend that conservatives are perfect.

I'm reminded of the incident a couple (?) years ago, when a gay college student killed himself after his roommate made a video of him. The next weekend, it was mentioned in the homily at the liturgy I attended ... want to know how the priest described it? He said, He killed himself because his sin became known.

But I digress ... what I want to ask is: Surely you don't want to pretend that liberals are perfect, right?

Conservative. Liberal. I have never really thought in those terms, honestly. That's Yankee talk!  Wink
I wouldn't want to pretend that anyone is perfect, least of all myself.

And I'm sorry, but I think the kind of thing the priest said is part of the problem.

Well yeah, that was pretty much my point.
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« Reply #544 on: July 04, 2013, 07:59:36 AM »

I never said that. This whole "homosexuality is an abomination to the LORD!!! Sodomites! ANIMALS!" nonsense... that's outdated. And, well, really gross bigotry. Bigotry just might be more distasteful than buggery.

Far be it from me to pretend that conservatives are perfect.

I'm reminded of the incident a couple (?) years ago, when a gay college student killed himself after his roommate made a video of him. The next weekend, it was mentioned in the homily at the liturgy I attended ... want to know how the priest described it? He said, He killed himself because his sin became known.

But I digress ... what I want to ask is: Surely you don't want to pretend that liberals are perfect, right?

Conservative. Liberal. I have never really thought in those terms, honestly. That's Yankee talk!  Wink
I wouldn't want to pretend that anyone is perfect, least of all myself.

And I'm sorry, but I think the kind of thing the priest said is part of the problem.

Well yeah, that was pretty much my point.

Ok, I see. Wasn't sure.
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« Reply #545 on: July 04, 2013, 08:03:23 AM »

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« Reply #546 on: July 04, 2013, 10:31:49 AM »

You can't stop offering your spiritual insights to me, can you?

Well you fill the whole forum with your "insights" which you know most here will consider flawed or even downright heretical. Quid  pro quo.
Show me where I couch my insight in spiritual lingo

I believe God if there is one, is good and not obsessing over sex positions. There are other things we'll be judged for .  Could be wrong and God might be the jerk some here think he is. But then not having much to do with him is not gonna be be that much of a loss.
Really. That hardly counts as saying this is the dogma of the church as I put it and if you don't believe it you are out.

Quote from: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts [οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται], nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
oh, yeah. those thieves and robbers that infringe upon the sacred rights of the latifundiarians.  as my favourite exegete puts it paul is better read and understood with a couple bottles of wine.
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« Reply #547 on: July 04, 2013, 10:34:56 AM »

Yeah you should probably refine your understand of both slavery and homosexuality . And racism.

Ok. So you got nothing.
No problem.
Just checking.
Engaging in heterosexual sex is an act of homosexuality. And it is never two people engaging in sex, it is three. I would say it is reflexive on gratifying our unconscious desires and perversions.

Please explain.
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« Reply #548 on: July 04, 2013, 10:48:20 AM »

Yeah you should probably refine your understand of both slavery and homosexuality . And racism.

Ok. So you got nothing.
No problem.
Just checking.
Engaging in heterosexual sex is an act of homosexuality. And it is never two people engaging in sex, it is three. I would say it is reflexive on gratifying our unconscious desires and perversions.


Uhhhmmm yeah. You missed that anatomy class, didn't you?
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« Reply #549 on: July 04, 2013, 10:50:31 AM »

Yeah you should probably refine your understand of both slavery and homosexuality . And racism.

Ok. So you got nothing.
No problem.
Just checking.
Engaging in heterosexual sex is an act of homosexuality. And it is never two people engaging in sex, it is three. I would say it is reflexive on gratifying our unconscious desires and perversions.


Uhhhmmm yeah. You missed that anatomy class, didn't you?
you understand that every sexual encounter implies a level of narcissism; and i mean , it wouldn't stay up probably if that wasn't there. dunno.
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« Reply #550 on: July 04, 2013, 11:00:30 AM »

Yeah you should probably refine your understand of both slavery and homosexuality . And racism.

Ok. So you got nothing.
No problem.
Just checking.
Engaging in heterosexual sex is an act of homosexuality. And it is never two people engaging in sex, it is three. I would say it is reflexive on gratifying our unconscious desires and perversions.


Uhhhmmm yeah. You missed that anatomy class, didn't you?
you understand that every sexual encounter implies a level of narcissism; and i mean , it wouldn't stay up probably if that wasn't there. dunno.

Oh please!

Why do you guys looooooove to complicate everything?? It really isn't complicated.
Lets take it down a notch and simplify all this. We all have feelings, thoughts, desires, wants, needs. Most of them are sinful! Correct?

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« Reply #551 on: July 04, 2013, 11:12:58 AM »

Quote from: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts [οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται], nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

oh, yeah. those thieves and robbers that infringe upon the sacred rights of the latifundiarians.  as my favourite exegete puts it paul is better read and understood with a couple bottles of wine.

How does your favourite exegete interpret "revilers" (λοίδοροι)?
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« Reply #552 on: July 04, 2013, 11:18:02 AM »

Don't act now all sanctimonious about the language. If you don't like it you shouldn't have been so eager in starting fights.
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« Reply #553 on: July 04, 2013, 11:29:31 AM »

Don't act now all sanctimonious about the language. If you don't like it you shouldn't have been so eager in starting fights.

Don't like what? St. Paul's language?

And what fight was I eager to start? Right vs. left? That's been going on forever. I feel quite detached today, close to ataraxia even.  Cool

Merry 4th of July!
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« Reply #554 on: July 04, 2013, 11:35:07 AM »

Do you feel slandered?
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« Reply #555 on: July 04, 2013, 11:52:53 AM »

Do you feel slandered?

Not at all. An interesting question you might like to ask yourself would be: am I a reviler? But that's probably undesirable "spiritual insight", so don't bother. You already answered:

I love outraged people. It gives me a kick .
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« Reply #556 on: July 04, 2013, 12:32:20 PM »

Do you feel slandered?

Not at all. An interesting question you might like to ask yourself would be: am I a reviler? But that's probably undesirable "spiritual insight", so don't bother. You already answered:

I love outraged people. It gives me a kick .

Here we go again: spiritual insights
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« Reply #557 on: July 04, 2013, 12:37:45 PM »

Here we go again: spiritual insights

Everybody's got to get their kick out of something.  Wink

I showed you the speck in your eye, you've noticed the beam in mine. Let's call it even!
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« Reply #558 on: July 04, 2013, 12:51:02 PM »

Here we go again: spiritual insights

Everybody's got to get their kick out of something.  Wink

I showed you the speck in your eye, you've noticed the beam in mine. Let's call it even!
You are humble as well.
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« Reply #559 on: July 04, 2013, 12:52:38 PM »

Here we go again: spiritual insights

Everybody's got to get their kick out of something.  Wink

I showed you the speck in your eye, you've noticed the beam in mine. Let's call it even!
You are humble as well.

Tell me about it!  Grin
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« Reply #560 on: July 04, 2013, 03:03:57 PM »

Here we go again: spiritual insights

Everybody's got to get their kick out of something.  Wink

I showed you the speck in your eye, you've noticed the beam in mine. Let's call it even!
You are humble as well.

Tell me about it!  Grin
Not as humble as I am.  Cheesy
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« Reply #561 on: July 04, 2013, 03:27:37 PM »

Here we go again: spiritual insights

Everybody's got to get their kick out of something.  Wink

I showed you the speck in your eye, you've noticed the beam in mine. Let's call it even!
You are humble as well.

Tell me about it!  Grin
Not as humble as I am.  Cheesy

I am humbler than any of you losers. Cheesy
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« Reply #562 on: July 04, 2013, 03:35:03 PM »

Here we go again: spiritual insights

Everybody's got to get their kick out of something.  Wink

I showed you the speck in your eye, you've noticed the beam in mine. Let's call it even!
You are humble as well.

Tell me about it!  Grin
Not as humble as I am.  Cheesy

I am humbler than any of you losers. Cheesy

There it was:

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« Reply #563 on: July 04, 2013, 03:37:58 PM »

Here we go again: spiritual insights

Everybody's got to get their kick out of something.  Wink

I showed you the speck in your eye, you've noticed the beam in mine. Let's call it even!
You are humble as well.

Tell me about it!  Grin
Not as humble as I am.  Cheesy

I am humbler than any of you losers. Cheesy

There it was:


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« Reply #564 on: July 04, 2013, 03:47:08 PM »

Yeah you should probably refine your understand of both slavery and homosexuality . And racism.

Ok. So you got nothing.
No problem.
Just checking.
Engaging in heterosexual sex is an act of homosexuality. And it is never two people engaging in sex, it is three. I would say it is reflexive on gratifying our unconscious desires and perversions.


Uhhhmmm yeah. You missed that anatomy class, didn't you?
you understand that every sexual encounter implies a level of narcissism
That's exactly what I was getting at, thanks.

This ties into the bit in the other thread about dating. I think many people are too afraid to take any risks with potential partners because they don't want to fail, it becomes entirely narcissistic. This is where I think social media is extremely harmful and how it becomes very exhibitionistic. Then again sex is itself an act of exhibitionism.
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« Reply #565 on: July 04, 2013, 08:37:51 PM »

The shallow insight and understanding presented from some folks here in regard to sexual activity and core motivation, forgetting what God has taught us altogether, is disturbing.  However, the display of imaturity about it all shows at least a portion of the problem.
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« Reply #566 on: July 04, 2013, 08:42:58 PM »

Kerdy, I couldn't agree more!

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« Reply #567 on: July 04, 2013, 09:24:51 PM »

The shallow insight and understanding presented from some folks here in regard to sexual activity and core motivation, forgetting what God has taught us altogether, is disturbing.  However, the display of imaturity about it all shows at least a portion of the problem.

Well, part of the problem, too, is that we see very different problems.
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« Reply #568 on: July 04, 2013, 09:26:58 PM »

Another long and pointless thread. Yay.
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Isa, don't try to force your facts on Augustin when he's attempting to push his agenda by casting irrelevant aspersions on the Church. It's downright inconsiderate.
Checked your blog dude. You have provided me entertainment at work this fourth of July. Straight from the hyperdox herman thread.
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« Reply #570 on: July 04, 2013, 10:54:41 PM »

Another long and pointless thread. Yay.

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« Reply #571 on: July 05, 2013, 01:02:26 AM »

Isa, don't try to force your facts on Augustin when he's attempting to push his agenda by casting irrelevant aspersions on the Church. It's downright inconsiderate.
Checked your blog dude. You have provided me entertainment at work this fourth of July. Straight from the hyperdox herman thread.

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« Reply #572 on: July 05, 2013, 01:08:32 AM »

Great. But my point was that everyone gives unsolicited advice and opinions on the internet, you included. Not to try and anathematize anyone.
You are 18 years old. The last thing you should be doing right now is endlessly arguing to try and correct people. Unless this is your way to assuage a fantasy over trivial concerns, to somehow tip the justice scales in an equilibrium. I hope that when you go to college you unplug yourself from these message boards.

My purpose on this forum is to learn and kill time, not to correct. But there are so many wrong posts it's just so hard to resist...
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« Reply #573 on: July 05, 2013, 09:08:27 AM »

Isa, don't try to force your facts on Augustin when he's attempting to push his agenda by casting irrelevant aspersions on the Church. It's downright inconsiderate.
Checked your blog dude. You have provided me entertainment at work this fourth of July. Straight from the hyperdox herman thread.
Just looked at it. I immediately laughed at the Navy Jack Confederate flag background. And he has an icon of Nicholas II. It doesn't get any better than this folks.
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« Reply #574 on: July 05, 2013, 09:08:27 AM »

The shallow insight and understanding presented from some folks here in regard to sexual activity and core motivation, forgetting what God has taught us altogether, is disturbing.  However, the display of imaturity about it all shows at least a portion of the problem.
You should probably try reading and thinking about what folks have to say before being so dismissive as par for the course.

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« Reply #575 on: July 05, 2013, 11:19:14 AM »

I am shutting down this thread until I figure out exactly what to do with it.  Enjoy the break.  -Serb1389
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« Reply #576 on: July 14, 2013, 11:47:09 PM »

Thread has been reopened.  Please play nice with each other.  -Serb1389.
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Given his beliefs, this man did the right thing. He should not be a priest in the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #578 on: June 04, 2014, 01:39:31 AM »

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I stepped down from the priesthood because I could no longer tolerate the type of discrimination that was happening to people within the LGBT community by my Church, and many people who identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender are persecuted by the Church.

From a brief talk he recently gave at a school board meeting urging people to help stop the bullying of transgendered kids.
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« Reply #579 on: June 04, 2014, 09:54:45 AM »

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I stepped down from the priesthood because I could no longer tolerate the type of discrimination that was happening to people within the LGBT community by my Church, and many people who identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender are persecuted by the Church.

From a brief talk he recently gave at a school board meeting urging people to help stop the bullying of transgendered kids.

I think 'persecuted' is an exaggeration, though I think I understand where he is coming from, and my own reaction to that word is based on experiences in English-speaking places, and I admit that things may be markedly different in other areas of the world, where such a word might be more accurate. Orthodoxy asks, demands, or places a tough burden on the people he is speaking about... so perhaps we need to hear such language sometimes to remind us to dwell on this and to recall compassion... whether we end up finally agreeing with his conclusions or not. Apart from that I think I agreed with everything he said.
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« Reply #580 on: June 04, 2014, 10:05:05 AM »

I a way I admire him. I disagree with him on the LGBTQ issue but he seems to be serious about his convictions. That's fairly rare these days.
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« Reply #581 on: June 08, 2014, 07:48:12 AM »

I a way I admire him. I disagree with him on the LGBTQ issue but he seems to be serious about his convictions. That's fairly rare these days.
Unfortunately he acts like a child on his Facebook page(s) about those convictions and people that disagree with them.
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« Reply #582 on: June 08, 2014, 07:57:04 AM »

I a way I admire him. I disagree with him on the LGBTQ issue but he seems to be serious about his convictions. That's fairly rare these days.
Unfortunately he acts like a child on his Facebook page(s) about those convictions and people that disagree with them.

Good for him. I don't really have any particular need to read his FB page.
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« Reply #583 on: June 08, 2014, 10:45:52 AM »

I a way I admire him. I disagree with him on the LGBTQ issue but he seems to be serious about his convictions. That's fairly rare these days.
You can be serious and be dead wrong. I wish all of the priests and bishops that support such nonsense would either repent or leave, and not continue to poison the Church from the inside.

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« Reply #584 on: June 08, 2014, 12:30:27 PM »

I wish all of the priests and bishops that support such nonsense would either repent or leave, and not continue to poison the Church from the inside.

What, the laity can stay and spread their 'poison'?
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