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Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« on: September 15, 2012, 03:05:58 PM »
Hi, What is the Orthodox viewpoint of working on Saturdays and Sundays (and thereby not being able to attend any Orthodox Church services)? 

What if your only option to find and keep a job is to work every weekend? 

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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 03:38:11 PM »
Hi, What is the Orthodox viewpoint of working on Saturdays and Sundays (and thereby not being able to attend any Orthodox Church services)? 

What if your only option to find and keep a job is to work every weekend? 

Thanks
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People should tell you what to do when they are willing to feed and clothe you.  Otherwise, you need to do what you need to do in order to eat.
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 03:44:39 PM »
We still keep to the Sabbath (Saturday) rest, and Sundays are a day for celebration. One of the Ten Commandments is to keep the Sabbath holy and not do any work on that day (and this command is often transferred to Sunday instead). Some manuals for confession ask whether you have done "servile work" on Sunday. This generally extends to the Great Feasts also, but less strictly.

Obviously that's difficult to do in today's world. For those who can avoid work on Sundays, they should. (Doing works of mercy, such as working as a doctor, nurse, or firefighter is generally exempt from this, since serving others this way is also pleasing to God.)

If not working on Sunday is not not an option, most everyone would agree that providing for one's family takes precedence. If at all possible, a person should still attend the Divine Liturgy on Sundays. Better to work in the afternoon than miss Liturgy. Sometimes even that is impossible, though. That's just the reality in a secular, non Orthodox society.

It is good to "make up" a missed Liturgy, such as if you have a weekday off. I am told that in Muslim countries, many Christians attend church on Fridays instead of Sundays, because Fridays are the holy day in Islam, so most businesses are closed. That is acceptable, if not ideal, because that is just the circumstances they are in.

In summary, sometimes you have to do what you have to do. There are mitigating circumstances. It's not as if you're choosing to sleep in and skip church because of laziness. Still, working on Sunday is generally considered a sin, though an unavoidable one, and should be confessed. (Likewise: Orthodoxy permits people to be soldiers, but killing another person is a sin and must be confessed.)

That's the general concept; your mileage will vary given the circumstances and the priest.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 04:09:44 PM »
Hi, What is the Orthodox viewpoint of working on Saturdays and Sundays (and thereby not being able to attend any Orthodox Church services)?  

What if your only option to find and keep a job is to work every weekend?  

Orthodox police officers, waste collectors, doctors, armed force officers, bakers, janitors... works on Sunday.
No problem.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 04:21:11 PM »
I tend to work on saturdays, not on sundays.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 04:27:41 PM »
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 06:12:58 PM »
Thanks Punch, age234, Servos, Nicene and Gamliel for your replies. :)  It helps to see the Orthodox viewpoint and balancing it with pragmatic needs and reality of living in today's society.

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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2012, 07:17:27 PM »
Never heard of Saturday being a day of rest for Orthodox Christians. Sunday and feast days are, however.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 03:32:48 AM »
Why was the sabbath moved to a Sunday ? Was it revelation of the holy spirit to move it on a Sunday ? Sunday which is the Lord days ?

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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 04:51:50 AM »
Was it ever moved? I don't think thats clear.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 05:28:31 AM »
Why was the sabbath moved to a Sunday ? Was it revelation of the holy spirit to move it on a Sunday ? Sunday which is the Lord days ?

Sunday is the day of the resurrection (isn't sunday in russian called voskresenije?) and therefore it has been the day of worship since the time of the apostles. At least it was that way since St. Justin Martyr, IIRC.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 06:42:31 AM »
Well when was the end of the week for the pagans eg Greeks, Egyptians was it a Sunday ?

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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2012, 08:58:58 AM »
Well when was the end of the week for the pagans eg Greeks, Egyptians was it a Sunday ?

Why would that matter? Have you been reading SDA nonsense?

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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 11:49:03 AM »
What's that ? Just trying to understand why the sabbath day was moved from Saturday to Sunday ?

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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 11:53:31 AM »
What's that ? Just trying to understand why the sabbath day was moved from Saturday to Sunday ?
It wasn't moved. Sunday is a new Holy Day. Saturday is still the Sabbath.

Well when was the end of the week for the pagans eg Greeks, Egyptians was it a Sunday ?
Sunday isn't the end of the week. It's the first day of the week.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 12:28:38 AM »
Was it ever moved? I don't think thats clear.

See the Synaxarion for Holy Saturday.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 12:30:10 AM »
Was it ever moved? I don't think thats clear.

See the Synaxarion for Holy Saturday.

Better still, see the entire hymnography for Holy Saturday.  :angel:
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2012, 01:19:59 AM »
See St. Constantine's secular declaration.

I think Holy Saturday says something about transferred dignity, but nothing about the abolishment or transfer of the Sabbath.

Sabbath is still the Sabbath. But we aren't bound by the Law.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2012, 12:51:58 AM »
See St. Constantine's secular declaration.

I think Holy Saturday says something about transferred dignity, but nothing about the abolishment or transfer of the Sabbath.

Sabbath is still the Sabbath. But we aren't bound by the Law.

What is the point of the Sabbath without the Law, especially now that the Sabbath has been fulfilled?
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2012, 01:00:13 AM »
Uh...the priest is "working" on a Sunday.

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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2012, 01:06:25 AM »
Uh...the priest is "working" on a Sunday.

So are wel all, the liturgy being the work of the people.
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Re: Working on Saturdays and Sundays?
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2012, 12:50:44 PM »

What is the point of the Sabbath without the Law, especially now that the Sabbath has been fulfilled?
Honoring it out of love and in memory of Christ's rest in the tomb.

That is why traditionally liturgy has been held on Saturday in all the Patriarchates aside from Rome. It is why we don't fast on Saturday, too; or if we are in a serious fast, we fast less on Saturday.
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