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New book on HAH Bartholomew
« on: July 23, 2016, 12:54:54 PM »
Found this on the Byzantine, Texas blog.

The comments alone make for good reading. 

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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 01:16:46 PM »
The first comment made me LOL.
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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 01:39:01 PM »
The first comment made me LOL.

The first comment was quality!

So this is a real book and title? Ugh...

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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2016, 01:57:58 PM »
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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2016, 02:52:31 PM »
LOL, good one.

However, sure that the line "Bartholomew" won't make anyone blow a gasket?  ::)
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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2016, 02:56:22 PM »
well that certainly seems to put Orthodox book forwards written by certain famous Orthodox convert actors into perspective

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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2016, 07:09:17 PM »
The comments are... diatribes, sort of.
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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2016, 12:01:44 AM »
The title of the book even gave me a chuckle.

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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2016, 12:10:29 AM »
I do not see what is funny. I think he is a visionary of the sort that may not interest you. He is also an apostle in its generic sense (ambassador/missionary)

Taken form the 2012 Orthodox Observer, countries visited as Patriarch:

 (1) Greece (including Athens, Thessaloniki and Northern Greece, Zakynthos, Mount Athos, Mytiline, Chios, Patmos, Crete and Samos)
(2) Britain (including London and Edinburgh)
(3) France (Paris, Strasbourg)
(4) Belgium (including Brussels),
(5) Germany
(6) Serbia
(7) Montenegro
(8 ) Albania
(9) Romania,
(10) Italy (including Rome/Vatican City, Venice, Milan, Trieste, Ravenna, Naples and Sicily)
(11) Czech Republic
(12) Slovakia
(13) Bulgaria,
(14) Austria
(15) Switzerland
(16) Hungary
(17) Poland
(18) Estonia
(19) Norway (Oslo)
(20) Sweden (Stockholm)
(21) Finland (Helsinki)
(22) Russia (including Moscow, St. Petersburg)
(23) Ukraine (includingKiev and Odessa)
(24) Georgia
(25) Armenia
(26) Azerbaijan
(27) Turkey (including Cappadocia, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Myra and Trabzon)
(28) Syria (Damascus)
(29) Iran (Tehran)
(30) Bahrain,
(31) Lebanon
(32) Israel
(33) Egypt
(34) Libya (Tripoli)
(35) Ethiopia
(36) Japan
(37) Korea
(38) China (Hong Kong)
(39) Philippines (Manila)
(40) Australia (including the cities of Canberra, Victoria, Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth)
(41) New Zealand (Wellington)
(42) Cuba
(43) Mexico
(44) Brazil (Amazon)
(45) Panama
(46) United States (New York, Connecticut, New Jersey,  Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Washington, D.C., Georgia, Florida,  Louisiana,  Texas, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa,  California, Arizona)
(47) Canada (including Ottawa, Vancouver, Winnipeg, London, Toronto and Montreal)
(48) Greenland
(49) Netherlands
(50) South Africa.
 

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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2016, 02:28:54 PM »
I do not see what is funny. I think he is a visionary of the sort that may not interest you. He is also an apostle in its generic sense (ambassador/missionary)

Taken form the 2012 Orthodox Observer, countries visited as Patriarch:

 (1) Greece (including Athens, Thessaloniki and Northern Greece, Zakynthos, Mount Athos, Mytiline, Chios, Patmos, Crete and Samos)
(2) Britain (including London and Edinburgh)
(3) France (Paris, Strasbourg)
(4) Belgium (including Brussels),
(5) Germany
(6) Serbia
(7) Montenegro
(8 ) Albania
(9) Romania,
(10) Italy (including Rome/Vatican City, Venice, Milan, Trieste, Ravenna, Naples and Sicily)
(11) Czech Republic
(12) Slovakia
(13) Bulgaria,
(14) Austria
(15) Switzerland
(16) Hungary
(17) Poland
(18) Estonia
(19) Norway (Oslo)
(20) Sweden (Stockholm)
(21) Finland (Helsinki)
(22) Russia (including Moscow, St. Petersburg)
(23) Ukraine (includingKiev and Odessa)
(24) Georgia
(25) Armenia
(26) Azerbaijan
(27) Turkey (including Cappadocia, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Myra and Trabzon)
(28) Syria (Damascus)
(29) Iran (Tehran)
(30) Bahrain,
(31) Lebanon
(32) Israel
(33) Egypt
(34) Libya (Tripoli)
(35) Ethiopia
(36) Japan
(37) Korea
(38) China (Hong Kong)
(39) Philippines (Manila)
(40) Australia (including the cities of Canberra, Victoria, Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth)
(41) New Zealand (Wellington)
(42) Cuba
(43) Mexico
(44) Brazil (Amazon)
(45) Panama
(46) United States (New York, Connecticut, New Jersey,  Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Washington, D.C., Georgia, Florida,  Louisiana,  Texas, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa,  California, Arizona)
(47) Canada (including Ottawa, Vancouver, Winnipeg, London, Toronto and Montreal)
(48) Greenland
(49) Netherlands
(50) South Africa.

So, HAH has traveled extensively. So what?  That, in itself, does not earn anyone the title of apostle.  Missionary would even be a stretch.  Mary Magdalene and the missionaries to the Slavs, Cyril and Methodius are given the ranks of equal to the apostles and, let's be honest, they did a lot more for the spreading of the Gospel.  As far as a visionary, I'm sure he is. Too bad it's a vision that, if fulfilled, will lead Orthodoxy into heterodoxy.

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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2016, 08:10:26 PM »
I do not see what is funny. I think he is a visionary of the sort that may not interest you. He is also an apostle in its generic sense (ambassador/missionary)

Taken form the 2012 Orthodox Observer, countries visited as Patriarch:

 (1) Greece (including Athens, Thessaloniki and Northern Greece, Zakynthos, Mount Athos, Mytiline, Chios, Patmos, Crete and Samos)
(2) Britain (including London and Edinburgh)
(3) France (Paris, Strasbourg)
(4) Belgium (including Brussels),
(5) Germany
(6) Serbia
(7) Montenegro
(8 ) Albania
(9) Romania,
(10) Italy (including Rome/Vatican City, Venice, Milan, Trieste, Ravenna, Naples and Sicily)
(11) Czech Republic
(12) Slovakia
(13) Bulgaria,
(14) Austria
(15) Switzerland
(16) Hungary
(17) Poland
(18) Estonia
(19) Norway (Oslo)
(20) Sweden (Stockholm)
(21) Finland (Helsinki)
(22) Russia (including Moscow, St. Petersburg)
(23) Ukraine (includingKiev and Odessa)
(24) Georgia
(25) Armenia
(26) Azerbaijan
(27) Turkey (including Cappadocia, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Myra and Trabzon)
(28) Syria (Damascus)
(29) Iran (Tehran)
(30) Bahrain,
(31) Lebanon
(32) Israel
(33) Egypt
(34) Libya (Tripoli)
(35) Ethiopia
(36) Japan
(37) Korea
(38) China (Hong Kong)
(39) Philippines (Manila)
(40) Australia (including the cities of Canberra, Victoria, Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth)
(41) New Zealand (Wellington)
(42) Cuba
(43) Mexico
(44) Brazil (Amazon)
(45) Panama
(46) United States (New York, Connecticut, New Jersey,  Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Washington, D.C., Georgia, Florida,  Louisiana,  Texas, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa,  California, Arizona)
(47) Canada (including Ottawa, Vancouver, Winnipeg, London, Toronto and Montreal)
(48) Greenland
(49) Netherlands
(50) South Africa.

So, HAH has traveled extensively. So what?  That, in itself, does not earn anyone the title of apostle.  Missionary would even be a stretch.  Mary Magdalene and the missionaries to the Slavs, Cyril and Methodius are given the ranks of equal to the apostles and, let's be honest, they did a lot more for the spreading of the Gospel.  As far as a visionary, I'm sure he is. Too bad it's a vision that, if fulfilled, will lead Orthodoxy into heterodoxy.

The vision will lead the heterodox to Orthodox, including the schismatics (RC). Your premise is worthy of inquiry. This is a media driven world. What would Cyril and Methodius and Mary Madalene do to be as effective as they were then. Try being a visionary for once. Who do you posit to compare with His All Holiness, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople? Who? All I know is what he has done in the USA, bringing Orthodoxy out of the shadows and into the mainstream media in a positive way.

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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2016, 09:09:11 PM »
Found this on the Byzantine, Texas blog.

The comments alone make for good reading.

Are we to be reviewing the blog or the book?
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Re: New book on HAH Bartholomew
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2016, 09:13:33 PM »
I do not see what is funny. I think he is a visionary of the sort that may not interest you. He is also an apostle in its generic sense (ambassador/missionary)

Taken form the 2012 Orthodox Observer, countries visited as Patriarch:

 (1) Greece (including Athens, Thessaloniki and Northern Greece, Zakynthos, Mount Athos, Mytiline, Chios, Patmos, Crete and Samos)
(2) Britain (including London and Edinburgh)
(3) France (Paris, Strasbourg)
(4) Belgium (including Brussels),
(5) Germany
(6) Serbia
(7) Montenegro
(8 ) Albania
(9) Romania,
(10) Italy (including Rome/Vatican City, Venice, Milan, Trieste, Ravenna, Naples and Sicily)
(11) Czech Republic
(12) Slovakia
(13) Bulgaria,
(14) Austria
(15) Switzerland
(16) Hungary
(17) Poland
(18) Estonia
(19) Norway (Oslo)
(20) Sweden (Stockholm)
(21) Finland (Helsinki)
(22) Russia (including Moscow, St. Petersburg)
(23) Ukraine (includingKiev and Odessa)
(24) Georgia
(25) Armenia
(26) Azerbaijan
(27) Turkey (including Cappadocia, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Myra and Trabzon)
(28) Syria (Damascus)
(29) Iran (Tehran)
(30) Bahrain,
(31) Lebanon
(32) Israel
(33) Egypt
(34) Libya (Tripoli)
(35) Ethiopia
(36) Japan
(37) Korea
(38) China (Hong Kong)
(39) Philippines (Manila)
(40) Australia (including the cities of Canberra, Victoria, Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth)
(41) New Zealand (Wellington)
(42) Cuba
(43) Mexico
(44) Brazil (Amazon)
(45) Panama
(46) United States (New York, Connecticut, New Jersey,  Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Washington, D.C., Georgia, Florida,  Louisiana,  Texas, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa,  California, Arizona)
(47) Canada (including Ottawa, Vancouver, Winnipeg, London, Toronto and Montreal)
(48) Greenland
(49) Netherlands
(50) South Africa.

So, HAH has traveled extensively. So what?  That, in itself, does not earn anyone the title of apostle.  Missionary would even be a stretch.  Mary Magdalene and the missionaries to the Slavs, Cyril and Methodius are given the ranks of equal to the apostles and, let's be honest, they did a lot more for the spreading of the Gospel.  As far as a visionary, I'm sure he is. Too bad it's a vision that, if fulfilled, will lead Orthodoxy into heterodoxy.

I'm sure you're posting reflexively, and after all this is Reviews, so I don't think your post merits much attention. However, Opus's point does. HAH is tirelessly reaching out to his brothers of all ethnicities and backgrounds, which, considering the modern history of the Church, is as extremely important as it was unlikely.
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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy