Metal and Rock Thread

[Asteriktos]

There are several disparate threads about metal and rock on the forum, but they're generally of the "Is it bad?" variety, or dealing with a very specific situation. I've been using the Orthodox Folk/Death Metal thread as a sort of general catch-all place to post, but Alveus would rather have that thread die, so I figured I'd start a new one, this one devoted to general discussion (info about what bands you're discovering, what new album you hate, why you think music is dead, etc.) If you want to debate whether rock/metal is evil, please use one of the twenty thousand other threads...

[Asteriktos]

The new album of As I Lay Dying is currently streaming for free at AOL Music...

[NicholasMyra]

Asteriktos, you strike me as a fellow who listened to Iced Earth back in the day.

Have you repented?

[Asteriktos]

Lol, I just bought my first Iced Earth album a couple weeks ago. Found it in a used CD store and recognized the name, so I gave it a shot. Didn't much like it. 

[Asteriktos]

Checking out their Wiki page, looks like they've had some pretty extensive lineup changes lately. Hate to say it, but I'm afraid they might have lost their touch. But hey, I still haven't heard all of I Am, so I can't judge just yet.

I see what you mean (at wiki), I was unware. So now they're like Underoath and don't have any founding members left. Huh.

[Alpo]

Sentenced - We are but Falling Leaves

This song seems to never get old or boring.

EDIT: They started as a Melodic Death Metal band but transformed into this. This is from their last album before they broke up.

[Alveus Lacuna]

Sorry, Alpo. This is the real Sentenced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_8Xs8ydvE0&feature=relmfu

Finland was truly the Mecca of old-school death metal in the early 90's: Abhorrence, Demilich, Depravity, (early) Amorphis, Disgrace, Convulse, Demigod, Purtenance, Adramelech, Rippikoulu, Funebre, etc. The list is endless. That's without even mentioning Finland's stellar black metal scene (Beherit, Archgoat, etc.). I also really enjoyed a Christian metal band from Finland quite a bit called Mordecai. They put out a really solid release "Through the Shadows, Towards the Dawn" many moons ago. I loved that in high school.

[Alpo]

Sorry, Alpo. This is the real Sentenced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_8Xs8ydvE0&feature=relmfu

Heretic!

Finland was truly the Mecca of old-school death metal in the early 90's: Abhorrence, Demilich, Depravity, (early) Amorphis, Disgrace, Convulse, Demigod, Purtenance, Adramelech, Rippikoulu, Funebre, etc. The list is endless. That's without even mentioning Finland's stellar black metal scene (Beherit, Archgoat, etc.). I also really enjoyed a Christian metal band from Finland quite a bit called Mordecai. They put out a really solid release "Through the Shadows, Towards the Dawn" many moons ago. I loved that in high school.

Lol, I'm a Finn and I've listened to Metal all the way since high school and I still haven't heard heard of most of the bands you mentioned. But I wasn't that much into Death Metal but to wimpy Melodic Black Metal which seemed to be fashionable when I was younger. Rippikoulu has such a brilliant name though that I must get to know them.

I remember loving that Mordecai's EP. I don't know how old I was when I bought their split album Immortal Souls which contained latters Divine Wintertime. Mordecai and Immortal Souls were one of the few decent Christian Metal bands I could find in those days. Good times.

Btw, nice to see you around. I haven't noticed you posting for a while.

[Asteriktos]

Got the new Becoming the Archetype album today, and have listened to it now. Sort of unsure what to think. My first impressions are not generally positive... sort of middle of the road. The only song I truly dislike is The Planet Maker, but as for the rest... I don't know. About 2-3 songs into the album I was thinking something along the lines of "Ok, I don't love this, but it might grow on me". By the time it got to the blah instrumental that was starting to change, and by the end... well, like I said, not generally positive. Who knows, maybe I'll listen to it another half dozen times and find some stuff I like though. I've been known to change my mind. 

[neon_knights]

Asteriktos, you strike me as a fellow who listened to Iced Earth back in the day.

Have you repented?

Stop...

[Achronos]

[Asteriktos]

Also received the new As I Lay Dying disc yesterday. Much more interesting (to me) than the BtA, though it doesn't quite match my favorite by them, An Ocean Between Us.

[Asteriktos]

[neon_knights]

I've been trying to get into Burzum lately, but I just can't digest black metal. Burzum is more bearable than most other BM I've heard, but still...

[Iconodule]

I've been trying to get into Burzum lately, but I just can't digest black metal. Burzum is more bearable than most other BM I've heard, but still...

You might like Summoning. They are very much a development of the Burzum style, but generally less abrasive. Heavy on atmosphere, light on blast beats. All their songs are Tolkien-themed. Good albums to start with: Oath Bound, Nightshade Forests, Dol Guldur.

Some sample tracks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmcnnj8_v0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBZQGOtpJFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVEk8K6MnJo

[christian7777]

Lately I've been listening to a lot of Scar Symmetry. Apparently they're working on their next album, I look forward to hearing what it will be like.

[Kerdy]

Hmm, let me think.  Metal and Rock bands I used to enjoy and occasionally listen to now.

Nazareth
AC/DC
Guns and Roses
Metallica (Black album only)
Led Zeppelin
and various other songs scattered throughout.

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

As unoriginal as this opinion may be, Led Zeppelin stands alone at the top. They are the Michael Jordan of Rock music. They had the technical chops, the longevity, the passion, the uncanny live performances, the chemistry, and the originality. All subsequent heavy metal bands were in some way influenced by Zeppelin. But Zeppelin wasn't just a heavy metal band that threw in a few cheesy ballads now and then. What I think made Zeppelin truly great was the diversity and range of the music they produced. They could play any style of music while still retaining their signature sound. And none of their music sounded trite, commercial, or manufactured. It all seemed to come from an authentic core. There is a "realness" to all Zeppelin songs. And like all truly great art, their music stands the test of time. One of the hardest things to do is to make music that doesn't sound dated. How do musicians know that what sounds good at the moment will still sound good decades later? But Led Zeppelin was somehow able to experiment with an array of sounds without creating music that seemed confined by the trappings of the era. There may be other bands and musicians that are just as technically proficient, but Zeppelin had all the intangibles and the combination of all the ingredients that create greatness.


Just my opinion.


Selam

[Iconodule]

As unoriginal as this opinion may be, Led Zeppelin stands alone at the top. They are the Michael Jordan of Rock music. They had the technical chops, the longevity, the passion, the uncanny live performances, the chemistry, and the originality. All subsequent heavy metal bands were in some way influenced by Zeppelin. But Zeppelin wasn't just a heavy metal band that threw in a few cheesy ballads now and then. What I think made Zeppelin truly great was the diversity and range of the music they produced. They could play any style of music while still retaining their signature sound. And none of their music sounded trite, commercial, or manufactured. It all seemed to come from an authentic core. There is a "realness" to all Zeppelin songs. And like all truly great art, their music stands the test of time. One of the hardest things to do is to make music that doesn't sound dated. How do musicians know that what sounds good at the moment will still sound good decades later? But Led Zeppelin was somehow able to experiment with an array of sounds without creating music that seemed confined by the trappings of the era. There may be other bands and musicians that are just as technically proficient, but Zeppelin had all the intangibles and the combination of all the ingredients that create greatness.


Just my opinion.


Selam

Led Zeppelin stole a bunch of songs from poor American blues singers and claimed credit for them. Eventually they were found out but they're still living in castles. They took the songs of oppressed people and made them into blazing celebrations of the white male ego. They are a disgusting band.

Robert Plant is insufferable.

You are wrong about Led Zeppelin and metal. Their influence is often exaggerated. Black Sabbath was far more important.

[Iconodule]

As far as good bands go, I really love Les Discrets' two albums.

2010's Septembre et Ses Dernieres Pensees



And this year's Ariettes Oubliees



They are a fairly metallic band. They are often described (along with Alcest) as some sort of shoe gaze/ black metal hybrid. Thematically, they draw a great deal on romanticism and the Symbolist movement. They made a great song out of Paul Verlaine's "Song of Autumn": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaorodbg21Q

[Achronos]

I cringe everytime someone says Led Zeppelin is heavy metal.

[Timon]

Checking out their Wiki page, looks like they've had some pretty extensive lineup changes lately. Hate to say it, but I'm afraid they might have lost their touch. But hey, I still haven't heard all of I Am, so I can't judge just yet.

I see what you mean (at wiki), I was unware. So now they're like Underoath and don't have any founding members left. Huh.

Zao doesnt have any originals either

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

As unoriginal as this opinion may be, Led Zeppelin stands alone at the top. They are the Michael Jordan of Rock music. They had the technical chops, the longevity, the passion, the uncanny live performances, the chemistry, and the originality. All subsequent heavy metal bands were in some way influenced by Zeppelin. But Zeppelin wasn't just a heavy metal band that threw in a few cheesy ballads now and then. What I think made Zeppelin truly great was the diversity and range of the music they produced. They could play any style of music while still retaining their signature sound. And none of their music sounded trite, commercial, or manufactured. It all seemed to come from an authentic core. There is a "realness" to all Zeppelin songs. And like all truly great art, their music stands the test of time. One of the hardest things to do is to make music that doesn't sound dated. How do musicians know that what sounds good at the moment will still sound good decades later? But Led Zeppelin was somehow able to experiment with an array of sounds without creating music that seemed confined by the trappings of the era. There may be other bands and musicians that are just as technically proficient, but Zeppelin had all the intangibles and the combination of all the ingredients that create greatness.


Just my opinion.


Selam

Led Zeppelin stole a bunch of songs from poor American blues singers and claimed credit for them. Eventually they were found out but they're still living in castles. They took the songs of oppressed people and made them into blazing celebrations of the white male ego. They are a disgusting band.

Robert Plant is insufferable.

You are wrong about Led Zeppelin and metal. Their influence is often exaggerated. Black Sabbath was far more important.

I don't think they stole anything. All art is an immitation of life, and no thought is truly original. Immitation is the greatest form of flattery (somebody said that), and to be influenced by great music and then do something original with it is not thievery in my eyes.

As for the character, ego, and morality of Robert Plant and the other members of Zeppelin, you won't see me arguing for their virtue. But their artistic genius is unquestioned.


Selam

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

I cringe everytime someone says Led Zeppelin is heavy metal.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But I'm pretty sure that the term "heavy metal" originated with Zeppelin. They definitely played some heavy metal songs, but they played so much more as well.


Selam

[TristanCross]

As unoriginal as this opinion may be, Led Zeppelin stands alone at the top. They are the Michael Jordan of Rock music. They had the technical chops, the longevity, the passion, the uncanny live performances, the chemistry, and the originality. All subsequent heavy metal bands were in some way influenced by Zeppelin. But Zeppelin wasn't just a heavy metal band that threw in a few cheesy ballads now and then. What I think made Zeppelin truly great was the diversity and range of the music they produced. They could play any style of music while still retaining their signature sound. And none of their music sounded trite, commercial, or manufactured. It all seemed to come from an authentic core. There is a "realness" to all Zeppelin songs. And like all truly great art, their music stands the test of time. One of the hardest things to do is to make music that doesn't sound dated. How do musicians know that what sounds good at the moment will still sound good decades later? But Led Zeppelin was somehow able to experiment with an array of sounds without creating music that seemed confined by the trappings of the era. There may be other bands and musicians that are just as technically proficient, but Zeppelin had all the intangibles and the combination of all the ingredients that create greatness.


Just my opinion.


Selam

Led Zeppelin stole a bunch of songs from poor American blues singers and claimed credit for them. Eventually they were found out but they're still living in castles. They took the songs of oppressed people and made them into blazing celebrations of the white male ego. They are a disgusting band.

Robert Plant is insufferable.

You are wrong about Led Zeppelin and metal. Their influence is often exaggerated. Black Sabbath was far more important.

I don't think they stole anything. All art is an immitation of life, and no thought is truly original. Immitation is the greatest form of flattery (somebody said that), and to be influenced by great music and then do something original with it is not thievery in my eyes.

As for the character, ego, and morality of Robert Plant and the other members of Zeppelin, you won't see me arguing for their virtue. But their artistic genius is unquestioned.


Selam

Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You was stolen by them. Google it. You'll find the Youtube video exposing it.

[Achronos]

You know I am against theft and all, but when it comes to music I don't care so much. That's thanks to me growing up with heavily sampled hip hop music.

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

As unoriginal as this opinion may be, Led Zeppelin stands alone at the top. They are the Michael Jordan of Rock music. They had the technical chops, the longevity, the passion, the uncanny live performances, the chemistry, and the originality. All subsequent heavy metal bands were in some way influenced by Zeppelin. But Zeppelin wasn't just a heavy metal band that threw in a few cheesy ballads now and then. What I think made Zeppelin truly great was the diversity and range of the music they produced. They could play any style of music while still retaining their signature sound. And none of their music sounded trite, commercial, or manufactured. It all seemed to come from an authentic core. There is a "realness" to all Zeppelin songs. And like all truly great art, their music stands the test of time. One of the hardest things to do is to make music that doesn't sound dated. How do musicians know that what sounds good at the moment will still sound good decades later? But Led Zeppelin was somehow able to experiment with an array of sounds without creating music that seemed confined by the trappings of the era. There may be other bands and musicians that are just as technically proficient, but Zeppelin had all the intangibles and the combination of all the ingredients that create greatness.


Just my opinion.


Selam

Led Zeppelin stole a bunch of songs from poor American blues singers and claimed credit for them. Eventually they were found out but they're still living in castles. They took the songs of oppressed people and made them into blazing celebrations of the white male ego. They are a disgusting band.

Robert Plant is insufferable.

You are wrong about Led Zeppelin and metal. Their influence is often exaggerated. Black Sabbath was far more important.

I don't think they stole anything. All art is an immitation of life, and no thought is truly original. Immitation is the greatest form of flattery (somebody said that), and to be influenced by great music and then do something original with it is not thievery in my eyes.

As for the character, ego, and morality of Robert Plant and the other members of Zeppelin, you won't see me arguing for their virtue. But their artistic genius is unquestioned.


Selam

Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You was stolen by them. Google it. You'll find the Youtube video exposing it.

All rock was essentially stolen from the blues, if you want to look at it that way. Robert Plant did actually steal Sonny Boy Williamson's harmonica though. That was outright theft.  



Selam

[TristanCross]

True, Gebre. Led Zeppelin is also one of my favorite bands (though I was taught to believe rock music is demonic, or so says my former spiritual father).

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

True, Gebre. Led Zeppelin is also one of my favorite bands (though I was taught to believe rock music is demonic, or so says my former spiritual father).

I won't argue with your spiritual father. I rarely listen to Zeppelin anymore. Not as the result of any conscious decision, but my spirit just isn't drawn to rock music like it used to be. I consider that a good thing. But don't get me wrong,  I still "get the Led out" every now and then. 


Selam

[Alpo]

This thread needs more Virgin Black:

Silent.

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

This thread needs more Virgin Black:

Selam

[Asteriktos]

Underoath announced that they're breaking up...

(inb4 iconodule, alveus, et al start saying "no big loss"  )

[Iconodule]

Who is Underoath? Seriously, I don't know who they are.

[Asteriktos]

Who is Underoath? Seriously, I don't know who they are.

Really? Wow, you really are elite!  Pretty sure they were the biggest Christian metalcore* band, in terms of sales anyway. I thought they were hit and miss, but their Define the Great Line is one of my favorite albums.


*They didn't start out as metalcore, but were some type of eclectic mix of metal.

[Iconodule]

Who is Underoath? Seriously, I don't know who they are.

Really? Wow, you really are elite!  Pretty sure they were the biggest Christian metalcore* band, in terms of sales anyway. I thought they were hit and miss, but their Define the Great Line is one of my favorite albums.


*They didn't start out as metalcore, but were some type of eclectic mix of metal.

Okay. I've honestly never really delved into the metalcore genre. I generally don't like the sound and the bands just seem like a never-ending stream of really dumb names.

[Schultz]

I cringe everytime someone says Led Zeppelin is heavy metal.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But I'm pretty sure that the term "heavy metal" originated with Zeppelin. They definitely played some heavy metal songs, but they played so much more as well.


Selam

"Heavy Metal" in the context of music originated with "Born to Be Wild" by Steppenwolf. 

While it's largely a matter of hair-splitting, I'd consider Black Sabbath to be the "first" heavy metal band, especially when put up against that first Zeppelin record which, with the benefit of hindsight, sounds more "rock" than "metal." 

And people who complain about LZ stealing blues riffs have no idea what they're talking about because the history of the blues is the history of stealing riffs.  Buddy Guy often said he liked playing with BB King and Clapton because he could watch and listen to them play up close so he could steal their riffs.  Classical composers often stole melodies and arrangements from one another willy-nilly.  The only people who think this is somehow some great crime are non-musicians.  All musicians are thieves in some way, shape, or form.  The best have the ability to do a quick paint job, as it were, and drive away with what seems to be a new car.  At present, I'm stealing all sorts of Beck and Page licks, but I barely use some cheap Krylon on them, so to speak. 

[biro]

I cringe everytime someone says Led Zeppelin is heavy metal.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But I'm pretty sure that the term "heavy metal" originated with Zeppelin. They definitely played some heavy metal songs, but they played so much more as well.


Selam

"Heavy Metal" in the context of music originated with "Born to Be Wild" by Steppenwolf. 

While it's largely a matter of hair-splitting, I'd consider Black Sabbath to be the "first" heavy metal band, especially when put up against that first Zeppelin record which, with the benefit of hindsight, sounds more "rock" than "metal." 

And people who complain about LZ stealing blues riffs have no idea what they're talking about because the history of the blues is the history of stealing riffs.  Buddy Guy often said he liked playing with BB King and Clapton because he could watch and listen to them play up close so he could steal their riffs.  Classical composers often stole melodies and arrangements from one another willy-nilly.  The only people who think this is somehow some great crime are non-musicians.  All musicians are thieves in some way, shape, or form.  The best have the ability to do a quick paint job, as it were, and drive away with what seems to be a new car.  At present, I'm stealing all sorts of Beck and Page licks, but I barely use some cheap Krylon on them, so to speak. 

When I learned to play bass, one of the first things I learned was the simple 'walking' bass line, followed by some other blues figures. I almost never had to vary them after that; nearly every blues song was some kind of assembly of the basic riffs. Just as reggaeton has pretty much one drumbeat (taken from "Dem Bow" by Shabba Ranks), blues has a few patterns and except for lead guitar solos, there's not much more to it in terms of building blocks. That doesn't mean the songs aren't worth listening to. There are only so many notes and chords... "Immature poets borrow. Mature poets steal."

[Timon]

Underoath announced that they're breaking up...

(inb4 iconodule, alveus, et al start saying "no big loss"  )

Super bummed about this.  Been one of my favorites since "when the sun sleeps"

It seems all my favorite bands growing up are finally getting old and hanging it up.  Thrice recently hung it up to... Theyre probably my favorite of all time...

[HabteSelassie]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

This thread needs more Virgin Black:

Selam

You literally could have no idea how deeply personally and spiritually moving that particular Icon has been for my life

stay blessed,
habte selassie

[HabteSelassie]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I cringe everytime someone says Led Zeppelin is heavy metal.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But I'm pretty sure that the term "heavy metal" originated with Zeppelin. They definitely played some heavy metal songs, but they played so much more as well.


Selam

"Heavy Metal" in the context of music originated with "Born to Be Wild" by Steppenwolf.  

While it's largely a matter of hair-splitting, I'd consider Black Sabbath to be the "first" heavy metal band, especially when put up against that first Zeppelin record which, with the benefit of hindsight, sounds more "rock" than "metal."  

And people who complain about LZ stealing blues riffs have no idea what they're talking about because the history of the blues is the history of stealing riffs.  Buddy Guy often said he liked playing with BB King and Clapton because he could watch and listen to them play up close so he could steal their riffs.  Classical composers often stole melodies and arrangements from one another willy-nilly.  The only people who think this is somehow some great crime are non-musicians.  All musicians are thieves in some way, shape, or form.  The best have the ability to do a quick paint job, as it were, and drive away with what seems to be a new car.  At present, I'm stealing all sorts of Beck and Page licks, but I barely use some cheap Krylon on them, so to speak.  

When I learned to play bass, one of the first things I learned was the simple 'walking' bass line, followed by some other blues figures. I almost never had to vary them after that; nearly every blues song was some kind of assembly of the basic riffs. Just as reggaeton has pretty much one drumbeat (taken from "Dem Bow" by Shabba Ranks), blues has a few patterns and except for lead guitar solos, there's not much more to it in terms of building blocks.

At the foundation, blues is simple, but the more intricate blues bass players are intensely nuanced.  Reggae seems so simple and easy to folks listening from the outside, but musically it is quite literally one the hardest styles to play right. I've heard a million terrible imitation blues and reggae bands that would swear to themselves they were authentic, and had even somehow convinced some kind of fan base to believe the same, but from my experience playing and singing in blues and reggae bands in particular, finding a good bassie who can truly hold it down while also experimenting and yet essentially leading the band? A gem almost as rare as a good keys player


stay blessed,
habte selassie

[Alpo]

[HabteSelassie]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

True, Gebre. Led Zeppelin is also one of my favorite bands (though I was taught to believe rock music is demonic, or so says my former spiritual father).

I won't argue with your spiritual father. I rarely listen to Zeppelin anymore. Not as the result of any conscious decision, but my spirit just isn't drawn to rock music like it used to be. I consider that a good thing. But don't get me wrong,  I still "get the Led out" every now and then. 


Selam

That is good.  Robert Plant ruins the otherwise sonic brilliance that is Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones  

They should release dub versions!!

stay blessed,
habte selassie

[FormerReformer]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

True, Gebre. Led Zeppelin is also one of my favorite bands (though I was taught to believe rock music is demonic, or so says my former spiritual father).

I won't argue with your spiritual father. I rarely listen to Zeppelin anymore. Not as the result of any conscious decision, but my spirit just isn't drawn to rock music like it used to be. I consider that a good thing. But don't get me wrong,  I still "get the Led out" every now and then. 


Selam

That is good.  Robert Plant ruins the otherwise sonic brilliance that is Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones  

They should release dub versions!!

stay blessed,
habte selassie

Please. Like the Yardbirds went anywhere. Without Plant there would have been no early Soundgarden. 'Nuff said.

[HabteSelassie]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

True, Gebre. Led Zeppelin is also one of my favorite bands (though I was taught to believe rock music is demonic, or so says my former spiritual father).

I won't argue with your spiritual father. I rarely listen to Zeppelin anymore. Not as the result of any conscious decision, but my spirit just isn't drawn to rock music like it used to be. I consider that a good thing. But don't get me wrong,  I still "get the Led out" every now and then. 


Selam

That is good.  Robert Plant ruins the otherwise sonic brilliance that is Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones  

They should release dub versions!!

stay blessed,
habte selassie

Please. Like the Yardbirds went anywhere. Without Plant there would have been no early Soundgarden. 'Nuff said.

So, what, you are only making me dislike Led Zeppelin all the more if we can blame them for Chris Cornell 

stay blessed,
habte selassie

[FormerReformer]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

True, Gebre. Led Zeppelin is also one of my favorite bands (though I was taught to believe rock music is demonic, or so says my former spiritual father).

I won't argue with your spiritual father. I rarely listen to Zeppelin anymore. Not as the result of any conscious decision, but my spirit just isn't drawn to rock music like it used to be. I consider that a good thing. But don't get me wrong,  I still "get the Led out" every now and then. 


Selam

That is good.  Robert Plant ruins the otherwise sonic brilliance that is Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones  

They should release dub versions!!

stay blessed,
habte selassie

Please. Like the Yardbirds went anywhere. Without Plant there would have been no early Soundgarden. 'Nuff said.

So, what, you are only making me dislike Led Zeppelin all the more if we can blame them for Chris Cornell 

stay blessed,
habte selassie

You disparage everything up to Superunknown? Heresy.

[HabteSelassie]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Disclosure:  I own Led Zeppelin III, it is not only the only Zep record I can dig, but it is indeed one of the greatest albums of all time!  However the key is Plant does more singing, a lot less wailing and moaning suggestively

I listen to Sabbath so it is not effeminate vocals that I dislike, it is just that it is a thin line between good effeminate male vocals and whining effeminate male vocals.  In my opinion, Robert Plant crosses the line too much, Ozzy straddles it just right.

I also dig singers with off-tempo cadence like Lou Reed and Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth, but it is equally a matter of subtle nuances that makes that kind of singing good or terrible.

stay blessed,
habte selassie

[Asteriktos]

Really digging the new album by Daylight Dies, A Frail Becoming...

[Asteriktos]

Their age is really starting to show...

[Alpo]

Last time I checked Wintersun was a Melodic Death Metal band but apparently they decided that their previous album was not epic enough.

Wintersun - Sons Of Winter And Stars

[Asteriktos]

I just caught myself thinking "Ain't my -----" as a response to something. As in, the phrase used by a band impersonating Metallica on the album Load in the song of the same name. Over 15 years later and I still have that phrase in my head? From that album? And aren't I missing the point the song was making? What's wrong with me? I'm scared...

[biro]

I just caught myself thinking "Ain't my -----" as a response to something. As in, the phrase used by a band impersonating Metallica on the album Load in the song of the same name. Over 15 years later and I still have that phrase in my head? From that album? And aren't I missing the point the song was making? What's wrong with me? I'm scared...

It's okay. 

[Iconodule]

My favorite thrash album:

[Asteriktos]

I know you've been waiting all year for this. I won't make you wait any longer. Here are my ratings of albums released in 2012 (the ones I own anyway)...

95/100 - Carach Angren - Where the Corpses Sink Forever
94/100 - ea - ea
90/100 - Kreator - Phantom Antichrist
87/100 - Daylight Dies - A Frail Becoming
86/100 - Cannibal Corpse - Torture
84/100 - Merrimack - The Acausal Mass
83/100 - Wodensthrone - Curse
82/100 - As I Lay Dying - Awakened
81/100 - Nekromantheon - Rise, Vulcan Spectre
79/100 - Lamb of God - Resolution
79/100 - Candlemass - Psalms for the Dead
79/100 - The Forsaken - Beyond Redemption
78/100 - Ahab - The Giant
78/100 - Anhedonist - Netherwards
77/100 - Grave Digger - Clash of the Gods
76/100 - Testament - Dark Roots of Earth
74/100 - Nile - At the Gate of Sethu
74/100 - Evoken - Atra Mors
73/100 - Pelican - Ataraxia/Taraxis
71/100 - Angel Witch - As Above, So Below
70/100 - Over Kill - The Electric Age
63/100 - Havok - Point of No Return EP
60/100 - Metallica - Beyond Magnetic EP
58/100 - Napalm Death - Utilitarian
57/100 - Shadows Fall - Fire From the Sky
51/100 - Demon Hunter - True Defiance
44/100 - Conan - Monnos

[Iconodule]

Last weekend my friends and I were at a karaoke bar that had, among other odd selections, Napalm Death's 2-second song "You Suffer" in the database.

[Alpo]

Last weekend my friends and I were at a karaoke bar that had, among other odd selections, Napalm Death's 2-second song "You Suffer" in the database.

Well? How did it go?

[Iconodule]

Last weekend my friends and I were at a karaoke bar that had, among other odd selections, Napalm Death's 2-second song "You Suffer" in the database.

Well? How did it go?

I didn't do that song... I don't think any of my friends would have understood. I went with Iron Maiden's "Aces High" and also songs by Tom Jones and Roy Orbison.

[biro]

Asteriktos: pretty good list! 

[Asteriktos]

Albums I'm looking forward to next year...
Nightfall - Cassiopeia (1.18.13)
Cult of Luna - Vertikal (1.29.13)
Mourning Beloveth - Formless (2.15.13)
Twilight Of The Gods - Fire On The Mountain (3.?.13)
October Falls - The Plague Of A Coming Age (3.15.13)
Luna Ad Noctum - Hypnotic Inferno (3.21.13)
Cathedral - The Last Spire (4.?.13)
Opeth - ? ("something's coming" in the spring, don't know what)
Edge of Serenity - The Royal Hunt (Spring?)
Mouth of the Architect - ? (Spring?)
Acrassicauda
Extol
Mournful Gust
Lazarus A.D.
Mastodon
Dark Fortress
To Cast a Shadow
Megadeth

[Asteriktos]

I thought I'd heard all I needed to hear this year, but I was wrong  I have to add:

The Howling Void - The Womb Beyond the World

...to my top 10 albums from 2012. Some great funeral doom music.

[Arachne]

I know you've been waiting all year for this. I won't make you wait any longer. Here are my ratings of albums released in 2012 (the ones I own anyway)...

Sheesh - I don't have any of those albums, and nothing at all by most of those bands. I'm much more comfortable in the symphonic end of the metal spectrum, particularly the female-fronted kind. The only thing I have to look forward to is whether Floor Janssen will become the next vocalist for Nightwish. And how long it will take Blind Guardian this time to bring out new material.

[Iconodule]

I know you've been waiting all year for this. I won't make you wait any longer. Here are my ratings of albums released in 2012 (the ones I own anyway)...

Sheesh - I don't have any of those albums, and nothing at all by most of those bands. I'm much more comfortable in the symphonic end of the metal spectrum, particularly the female-fronted kind. The only thing I have to look forward to is whether Floor Janssen will become the next vocalist for Nightwish. And how long it will take Blind Guardian this time to bring out new material.

Pffffttt... Leave the hall.

[Arachne]

Pffffttt... Leave the hall.

I still have some goodies from the Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes, prefect.

[Asteriktos]

Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes

[Timon]

Favorite heavy albums of 2012:

Converge - All We Love We Leave Behind

Gaza - No Absolutes In Human Suffereing (not the most spiritually uplifting album ever, but jeez its heavy...)

And Im about to check up on the newest Kowloon Walled City album called Container Ships.

Honorable mentions:

The Chariot - One Wing

Old Man Gloom - No

[Asteriktos]

Any newer bands that you're liking? I mean bands that have just begun putting out albums in the last, say, 7 years or less?  I have a few...

Acrassicauda - Iraqi thrash. They're supposed to have a new album coming this year, their first full length. Technically they've been together a decade, but their first real release was an EP in 2010.

Anhedonist - American death/doom. First full length came out in 2012.

Carach Angren - Dutch symphonic black metal. My new favorite band, I'm really digging the new release from last year, and also enjoy the past couple that I've heard on spotify. First EP was in 2005 but their first full length wasn't until 2008.

Havok - American thrash. I liked their debut (2009) the most, but I still have high hopes for future releases.

The Howling Void - American funeral doom. A bit repetitive at times, but very relaxing and enjoyable nonetheless. They released 3 albums in 4 years starting in 2009.

Lazarus A.D. - American thrash. Another thrash band that I liked the debut (2007) of the most but am still optimistic about.

Nekromantheon - Norwegian thrash metal. Pretty good stuff IMO. First EP was in 2007 and first album in 2010.

The Resurrection Sorrow - American stoner/heavy. Pretty good debut album in 2009, especially considering that I don't like much from this genre.

Wodensthrone - British black/folk. I haven't heard their first one from 2009 yet, but the album from last year was good.

[Arachne]

The latest In This Moment album, Blood, is quite enjoyable. Much less metalcore than before, although the vocals still slide that way occasionally.

[Iconodule]

I mentioned them before, but my two favorite new bands at the moment are Alcest and Les Discrets from France. They are often described as a cross between shoegaze and black metal... sounds awkward but it works wonderfully.

[Asteriktos]

A new Megadeth album comes out this June. Hopefully it's better than Thirteen.

[Asteriktos]

I can't believe it took this long for me to start using Spotify. Over the past couple months I've heard more bands that I liked, who are new to me, than I had over the previous 10 years.

[Arachne]

I left Spotify when they started charging. It was a resource hog anyway. I'm much happier with Last.fm.

[Asteriktos]

I pay $0 a month for spotify 

[Arachne]

Oh, there's (still) a free version. I just got tired with the 'This (whatever) is only available to premium users' message. As I said... diff'rent strokes.

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