Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist

[pmpn8rGPT]

And Veganism will shorten your life span.... God seems to have a sense of humor.

I'm actually just a vegetarian but I didn't have enough characters
http://www.heimat-fuer-tiere.de/english/articles/ethic/church_fathers.DHTML
I'm not against non-vegetarians but I just thought you might find this interesting

[Kerdy]

Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.

I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.

the countless murder of civilians in Pakistan by way of drone warfare, the countless murders in Afghanistan to find one man.  In Iraq it was bad but Jesus never promised his path was easy and if the Iraqi state didn't exist that wouldn't have happened.  In my opinion 9/11 should have been our call to leave the middle east, we have been fighting them for over 200 years (Barbary pirates war) and until someone steps up and turns the other cheek, this circle of violence will continue.  Remember, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).  He didn't say "might" He said "will" and the state is no different

That's a lot of opinion you have there.

[Kerdy]

I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.

Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 

You must not get out much. 

you must watch too much fox news

Not so much.

fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same

No, they are not all the same, but at least you didn't add ESPN to the list.

[Kerdy]

I do not doubt for a second that many anarchists are friendly peaceful people who only wish for a better society, however, the problem is, that you never hear about them. I can't say anything about the US but in Denmark, you never see a pacifist anarchist writing an article or appearing on television to explain what anarchism is all about and how society should be. Instead they are giving room for extremists who are running through the streets, setting cars on fire.

in that case, be the first, start a revolution, I'll pray that that happens for Denmark and thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will look into it

It sounds as if you are talking about hippie culture.

[pmpn8rGPT]

Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.

I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.

the countless murder of civilians in Pakistan by way of drone warfare, the countless murders in Afghanistan to find one man.  In Iraq it was bad but Jesus never promised his path was easy and if the Iraqi state didn't exist that wouldn't have happened.  In my opinion 9/11 should have been our call to leave the middle east, we have been fighting them for over 200 years (Barbary pirates war) and until someone steps up and turns the other cheek, this circle of violence will continue.  Remember, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).  He didn't say "might" He said "will" and the state is no different

That's a lot of opinion you have there.

sometimes the honest truth is the one that hurts the most

[Kerdy]

Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.

I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.

the countless murder of civilians in Pakistan by way of drone warfare, the countless murders in Afghanistan to find one man.  In Iraq it was bad but Jesus never promised his path was easy and if the Iraqi state didn't exist that wouldn't have happened.  In my opinion 9/11 should have been our call to leave the middle east, we have been fighting them for over 200 years (Barbary pirates war) and until someone steps up and turns the other cheek, this circle of violence will continue.  Remember, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).  He didn't say "might" He said "will" and the state is no different

That's a lot of opinion you have there.

sometimes the honest truth is the one that hurts the most

I didn't say you were accurate, in fact I disagree with you.

[pmpn8rGPT]

Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.

I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.

the countless murder of civilians in Pakistan by way of drone warfare, the countless murders in Afghanistan to find one man.  In Iraq it was bad but Jesus never promised his path was easy and if the Iraqi state didn't exist that wouldn't have happened.  In my opinion 9/11 should have been our call to leave the middle east, we have been fighting them for over 200 years (Barbary pirates war) and until someone steps up and turns the other cheek, this circle of violence will continue.  Remember, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).  He didn't say "might" He said "will" and the state is no different

That's a lot of opinion you have there.

sometimes the honest truth is the one that hurts the most

I didn't say you were accurate

so now I'm not accurate.  I've got a double major in theology and history but apparently I have no idea what I'm talking about.  It is you who needs to do more research.  There are countless crimes the US and pretty much all other states have done that have gone unanswered.  If all the middle eastern countries came and do to us what we did to them... Oh wait, 9/11
always remember, if Jesus ran for president, you wouldn't vote for him because he is a long-haired, peace loving, hippie, Arab Jew whose best outfit today is a t-shirt and jeans and would drive around in a station wagon and would have told all the rich people to deny their riches and give it all to the poor (which he did in Mark 10:25).  In fact, no Christian in America would vote for him... Maybe you should start re-examining that quote you have as your signature and research some other stuff Justin Martyr said... It might surprise you

[vamrat]

I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.

Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 

You must not get out much. 

you must watch too much fox news

Not so much.

fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same

No, they are not all the same, but at least you didn't add ESPN to the list.

Indeed.  They do have different combinations of letters and all...

[JamesR]

Not really. I mean, he urged people to pay their taxes and submit to Caeser and he adhered to the laws of the Roman Empire.

[Cyrillic]

"For Anarchy is a thing without order; and the Rule of Many is factious, and thus anarchical, and thus disorderly. For both these tend to the same thing, namely disorder; and this to dissolution, for disorder is the first step to dissolution. But Monarchy is that which we hold in honour. " - St. Gregory the Theologian, Third Theological Oration.

And yes, I know I horribly ripped it out of context.

 

[pmpn8rGPT]

Not really. I mean, he urged people to pay their taxes and submit to Caeser and he adhered to the laws of the Roman Empire.

so... He didn't want us to rebel... Which only proves my point that He is a pacifist and the only way to be a TRUE pacifist is to be an anarchist.  Also, He died for our sins but He died BECAUSE of the established government at that time.  Could easily used as an analogy to show that the state is anti-God and therefore we must separate ourselves from it.  That is what the early Christians tried to do, which is why they got persecuted so much, just a thought

its also important to remember that just because you adopt anarchy as a theory does not automaticaly mean you have to break laws it just means you feel as if it would be better if they weren't there

[pmpn8rGPT]

"For Anarchy is a thing without order; and the Rule of Many is factious, and thus anarchical, and thus disorderly. For both these tend to the same thing, namely disorder; and this to dissolution, for disorder is the first step to dissolution. But Monarchy is that which we hold in honour. " - St. Gregory the Theologian, Third Theological Oration.

And yes, I know I horribly ripped it out of context.

 

yes that was ripped horribly out of context as in context he was talking about the Unity of The Holy Trinity

[Ansgar]

Which only proves my point that He is a pacifist and the only way to be a TRUE pacifist is to be an anarchist.

What about Ghandi?

[Kerdy]

Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.

I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.

the countless murder of civilians in Pakistan by way of drone warfare, the countless murders in Afghanistan to find one man.  In Iraq it was bad but Jesus never promised his path was easy and if the Iraqi state didn't exist that wouldn't have happened.  In my opinion 9/11 should have been our call to leave the middle east, we have been fighting them for over 200 years (Barbary pirates war) and until someone steps up and turns the other cheek, this circle of violence will continue.  Remember, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).  He didn't say "might" He said "will" and the state is no different

That's a lot of opinion you have there.

sometimes the honest truth is the one that hurts the most

I didn't say you were accurate

so now I'm not accurate.  I've got a double major in theology and history but apparently I have no idea what I'm talking about.  It is you who needs to do more research.  There are countless crimes the US and pretty much all other states have done that have gone unanswered.  If all the middle eastern countries came and do to us what we did to them... Oh wait, 9/11
always remember, if Jesus ran for president, you wouldn't vote for him because he is a long-haired, peace loving, hippie, Arab Jew whose best outfit today is a t-shirt and jeans and would drive around in a station wagon and would have told all the rich people to deny their riches and give it all to the poor (which he did in Mark 10:25).  In fact, no Christian in America would vote for him... Maybe you should start re-examining that quote you have as your signature and research some other stuff Justin Martyr said... It might surprise you

Pretty much.

[Kerdy]

I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.

Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 

You must not get out much. 

you must watch too much fox news

Not so much.

fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same

No, they are not all the same, but at least you didn't add ESPN to the list.

Indeed.  They do have different combinations of letters and all...

They also use a variety of filtering methods when reporting the news with differing rests.

[Kerdy]

Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.

I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.

the countless murder of civilians in Pakistan by way of drone warfare, the countless murders in Afghanistan to find one man.  In Iraq it was bad but Jesus never promised his path was easy and if the Iraqi state didn't exist that wouldn't have happened.  In my opinion 9/11 should have been our call to leave the middle east, we have been fighting them for over 200 years (Barbary pirates war) and until someone steps up and turns the other cheek, this circle of violence will continue.  Remember, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).  He didn't say "might" He said "will" and the state is no different

That's a lot of opinion you have there.

sometimes the honest truth is the one that hurts the most

I didn't say you were accurate

so now I'm not accurate.  I've got a double major in theology and history but apparently I have no idea what I'm talking about.  It is you who needs to do more research.  There are countless crimes the US and pretty much all other states have done that have gone unanswered.  If all the middle eastern countries came and do to us what we did to them... Oh wait, 9/11
always remember, if Jesus ran for president, you wouldn't vote for him because he is a long-haired, peace loving, hippie, Arab Jew whose best outfit today is a t-shirt and jeans and would drive around in a station wagon and would have told all the rich people to deny their riches and give it all to the poor (which he did in Mark 10:25).  In fact, no Christian in America would vote for him... Maybe you should start re-examining that quote you have as your signature and research some other stuff Justin Martyr said... It might surprise you

Pretty much.

My apologies.  I thought I removed all of the post, but it appears I didn't. 

[Kerdy]

I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.

Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 

You must not get out much. 

you must watch too much fox news

Not so much.

fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same

No, they are not all the same, but at least you didn't add ESPN to the list.

Indeed.  They do have different combinations of letters and all...

They also use a variety of filtering methods when reporting the news with differing rests.

Results, auto correct...geesh.

[pmpn8rGPT]

Which only proves my point that He is a pacifist and the only way to be a TRUE pacifist is to be an anarchist.

What about Ghandi?

"the state is a soulless machine, it can never be weaned from violence, to which it owes its very existence"
-mahatma Ghandi

[pmpn8rGPT]

I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.

amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 

You must not get out much. 

you must watch too much fox news

Not so much.

fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same

No, they are not all the same, but at least you didn't add ESPN to the list.

Indeed.  They do have different combinations of letters and all...

They also use a variety of filtering methods when reporting the news with differing rests.

all of which supports there statist opinions

[Kerdy]

I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.

amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 

You must not get out much. 

you must watch too much fox news

Not so much.

fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same

No, they are not all the same, but at least you didn't add ESPN to the list.

Indeed.  They do have different combinations of letters and all...

They also use a variety of filtering methods when reporting the news with differing rests.

all of which supports there statist opinions

In the same we we all do, including you.  So, how is one an anarchist against oneself? 

[pmpn8rGPT]

I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.

amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 

You must not get out much. 

you must watch too much fox news

Not so much.

fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same

No, they are not all the same, but at least you didn't add ESPN to the list.

Indeed.  They do have different combinations of letters and all...

They also use a variety of filtering methods when reporting the news with differing rests.

all of which supports there statist opinions

In the same we we all do, including you.  So, how is one an anarchist against oneself? 

indeed we all support our opinions, but those "news" companies are propaganda machines that work for the state and support the military and they, as you noted before, filter the news to make themselves look right.  I always get my news sources from either first hand accounts if available or vice news.  And I back up my claims with evidence.  My point is that I don't filter the news I just open my eyes and I see from history that it is the state that is satan's biggest tool of destruction.  Some have said the beast in revelation is the state in general.  If the harlot of babylon rides it and is involved in the nations simultaniously (Revelation 17:1-8), that alone should be ringing alarms in your head.  Time will tell on that issue but in the meantime I think Matthew 4:1-11 is substantial enough for now.

[Sinful Hypocrite]

YeaYea Anarchist rock!

[tweety234]

I've heard this argument before but I recently read this online page which gave me new incite.  After praying and fasting on the question and looking to The Holy Scriptures for guidance I can only find one logical reason to believe he isn't an anarchist and that is Mark 12:17 but in context, this was at The Sermon on the Mount which he talked about denying riches.
http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html
any way, what does OC.net think?

In my opinion. He was anti-organization. Not anarchist. Anarchist is someone without values. Jesus had values.

[tweety234]

One persons anarchist is another persons Savior.

The truth is that he was crucified for just such an attitude towards what he was teaching that was against the norm then, and still today we struggle to understand.

WE must be sinners in order to be saved, the righteous need no savior.

<< Luke 5:32 >>

New International Version (©1984)
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

I'd say in order to save or even just defend someone, you have to be an anarchist. Therefore Jesus is an anarchist in the eyes of those who want others to bow down to them. And a saviour in the eyes of those who long for and depend on him saving/defending them. So he is both. He is also a bit of communist. In a good way though.

[yeshuaisiam]

Jesus (Yeshua) did not follow the religious rulers in his day.

There are several instances where the governing ways & authorities didn't have his full support.  One of such the currency "But to satisfy them..." "Who's face do you see..."

"The only authority you have over me is that which my father gave you" - That was sort of a circumvention of governing authority. 

[fleur-de-lys]

How do you know he wasn't a socialist?

Or maybe he was a libertarian.

....or a libertarian socialist!

Or maybe Christ wasn't concerned so much with political philosophy, which would explain why he didn't teach classes on it.

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

I think it would help if a specific definition of Christian Anarchism was articulated. Like pacifism, the concept is usually dismissed as absurd because of certain connotations based on misunderstanding. I imagine there are varyng degrees and definitions of anarchism, as there are with pacifism. I don't embrace anarchism, although I have some sympathy for the Tolstoyan model. But I am open to being persuaded.



Selam

[Marc1152]

How do you know he wasn't a socialist?

Or maybe he was a libertarian.

....or a libertarian socialist!

Or maybe Christ wasn't concerned so much with political philosophy, which would explain why he didn't teach classes on it.

Point of order:

Jesus lived at a time when there was no working class, hence he could not have been a "Socialist"

He lived during an earlier social epoch. Occasionally people would organize themselves communally.

Jesus was for the poor and outcast which mimics the ethos of Socialism today.

[Shanghaiski]

The whole question is a little blasphemous, at least in its perspective.

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