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Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« on: September 19, 2012, 06:19:45 PM »
I've heard this argument before but I recently read this online page which gave me new incite.  After praying and fasting on the question and looking to The Holy Scriptures for guidance I can only find one logical reason to believe he isn't an anarchist and that is Mark 12:17 but in context, this was at The Sermon on the Mount which he talked about denying riches.
http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2012, 06:23:49 PM »
OC.net thinks that the article is dumb and that "Free-market anarchists" are generally clueless about everything in general, including anarchism.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »
OC.net thinks that the article is dumb and that "Free-market anarchists" are generally clueless about everything in general, including anarchism.
yeah I've always said if I could do it all again, I would live in an ultra-desert society and be a desert father, but still its just another opinion... A lot of early Christians were, as we would call them today, ancoms or anpacs and that is definitely the way to go
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 06:38:23 PM »
I can understand how someone can see Jesus as an anarchist.  Of course, one would have to ignore everything Jesus ever said or did, but they do that anyway.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 06:41:23 PM »
If so there wouldn't be a Church.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 06:48:13 PM »
I think that as a Christian I owe it to myself to atlest concider crying when I read articles like this.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 06:49:02 PM »
If so there wouldn't be a Church.

Anarchist does not mean anti-organization.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 06:52:03 PM »
If so there wouldn't be a Church.

Anarchist does not mean anti-organization.
You're right, it doesn't. But I don't see any form of an institution being established if Jesus was anarchist, and at most the heirachy that is in place.

However there are many types of anarchism, so...
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 07:03:05 PM »
In all seriousness,  I don't see it.  How can someone see Him as an anarchist when He introduces order to mankind? 

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 07:15:14 PM »
In all seriousness,  I don't see it.  How can someone see Him as an anarchist when He introduces order to mankind?  

look up mutualist anarchism as well as Matthew 10:34-36
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 08:37:29 PM »
The King of kings cannot be an anarchist.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 09:14:28 PM »
In all seriousness,  I don't see it.  How can someone see Him as an anarchist when He introduces order to mankind?  

look up mutualist anarchism as well as Matthew 10:34-36
Ok.  Now what?  My view remains the same.  I'm not sure what you mean.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 09:44:56 PM »
One persons anarchist is another persons Savior.

The truth is that he was crucified for just such an attitude towards what he was teaching that was against the norm then, and still today we struggle to understand.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 10:36:14 PM »
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.  We are the ones who fight against Him, which makes us the anarchists, not Jesus.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2012, 12:18:58 AM »
The King of kings cannot be an anarchist.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2012, 08:51:14 PM »
Kind of a blasphemous icon you have there.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 09:13:27 PM »
Kind of a blasphemous icon you have there.
yeah probably wasn't a good idea...
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2012, 01:03:13 PM »
I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 07:35:05 PM »
I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.
Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2012, 07:52:09 PM »
I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.
Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 
You must not get out much. 

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2012, 08:35:39 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.

Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2012, 09:15:00 PM »
I actually have extensive experience with anarchists and not a single one of them was a violent drug addict.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2012, 09:15:39 PM »
I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.
Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 
You must not get out much. 
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2012, 09:24:23 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 09:25:15 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions

Really? I do.
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2012, 09:27:05 PM »
I actually have extensive experience with anarchists and not a single one of them was a violent drug addict.

There goes any desire I ever had for being an anarchist.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2012, 09:43:31 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions

Really? I do.
I don't because he used violence in order to achieve his goals.  The purpose and goal of anarchism is to separate ourselves from the violent state which constantly uses force to murder and oppress people all over the world for the crime of not agreeing with its moral values.  Basically any "anarchist" that isn't an anarcho-pacifist (or at the very least, uses violence to achieve his goals) is not an anarchist but rather a good-for-nothing hypocrite.  Also, according to Matthew 5:39, Matthew 20:16, and Matthew 26:52 all Christians MUST be anarcho-picifists
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2012, 09:46:47 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions

Really? I do.
I don't because he used violence in order to achieve his goals.  The purpose and goal of anarchism is to separate ourselves from the violent state which constantly uses force to murder and oppress people all over the world for the crime of not agreeing with its moral values.  Basically any "anarchist" that isn't an anarcho-pacifist (or at the very least, uses violence to achieve his goals) is not an anarchist but rather a good-for-nothing hypocrite.  Also, according to Matthew 5:39, Matthew 20:16, and Matthew 26:52 all Christians MUST be anarcho-picifists

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2012, 10:02:03 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions

Really? I do.
I don't because he used violence in order to achieve his goals.  The purpose and goal of anarchism is to separate ourselves from the violent state which constantly uses force to murder and oppress people all over the world for the crime of not agreeing with its moral values.  Basically any "anarchist" that isn't an anarcho-pacifist (or at the very least, uses violence to achieve his goals) is not an anarchist but rather a good-for-nothing hypocrite.  Also, according to Matthew 5:39, Matthew 20:16, and Matthew 26:52 all Christians MUST be anarcho-picifists

lol wut?
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2012, 10:04:49 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions

Really? I do.
I don't because he used violence in order to achieve his goals.  The purpose and goal of anarchism is to separate ourselves from the violent state which constantly uses force to murder and oppress people all over the world for the crime of not agreeing with its moral values.  Basically any "anarchist" that isn't an anarcho-pacifist (or at the very least, uses violence to achieve his goals) is not an anarchist but rather a good-for-nothing hypocrite.  Also, according to Matthew 5:39, Matthew 20:16, and Matthew 26:52 all Christians MUST be anarcho-picifists

lol wut?

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2012, 10:36:43 PM »
Paging Gebre...

(since Tolstoy is dead)
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2012, 12:14:49 AM »
Paging Gebre...

(since Tolstoy is dead)

LOL.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2012, 03:57:38 AM »
I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.
Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 
You must not get out much. 
you must watch too much fox news
Not so much.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2012, 04:00:13 AM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...
::)

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2012, 04:01:48 AM »
I actually have extensive experience with anarchists and not a single one of them was a violent drug addict.

There goes any desire I ever had for being an anarchist.
It doesn't appear they all are very honest either, but that is sort of implied when they claim their title.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2012, 05:29:25 AM »
What really bothers me about young anarchists is its a fad, the modern cool thing to do, but of you look back at other fads (big hair, jam shorts, members only jackets), they go away and people grow out of them.  These folks don't realize they are going through a growing up phase and it won't lost.  Well, not with most people, but most people eventually grow up.

For instance, the reappearance of Che Guevara.  People think he was cool, but are ignorant of what he really was...which included being an anarchist, which is why people think he is cool.
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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2012, 09:08:33 AM »
I do not doubt for a second that many anarchists are friendly peaceful people who only wish for a better society, however, the problem is, that you never hear about them. I can't say anything about the US but in Denmark, you never see a pacifist anarchist writing an article or appearing on television to explain what anarchism is all about and how society should be. Instead they are giving room for extremists who are running through the streets, setting cars on fire.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2012, 10:47:40 AM »
And Veganism will shorten your life span.... God seems to have a sense of humor.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2012, 12:03:45 PM »
What really bothers me about young anarchists is its a fad, the modern cool thing to do, but of you look back at other fads (big hair, jam shorts, members only jackets), they go away and people grow out of them.  These folks don't realize they are going through a growing up phase and it won't lost.  Well, not with most people, but most people eventually grow up.

For instance, the reappearance of Che Guevara.  People think he was cool, but are ignorant of what he really was...which included being an anarchist, which is why people think he is cool.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2012, 12:31:13 PM »
What really bothers me about young anarchists is its a fad, the modern cool thing to do, but of you look back at other fads (big hair, jam shorts, members only jackets), they go away and people grow out of them.  These folks don't realize they are going through a growing up phase and it won't lost.  Well, not with most people, but most people eventually grow up.

For instance, the reappearance of Che Guevara.  People think he was cool, but are ignorant of what he really was...which included being an anarchist, which is why people think he is cool.

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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2012, 07:46:47 PM »
Here is a real Anarchist, Nestor Machno. His Army fought under the Black Flag during the Russian Revolution. When they would capture a town or city they would go to town hall and burn all the records including land deeds and birth certificates.


I do not condone his actions, but what about the countless murders the US does in the middle east on a daily basis...
::)

And just what countless murders are you referring to?  I don't know of any.  But I suggest prior to your reply you study up on what Rules of Engagement means and how it's employed.
the countless murder of civilians in Pakistan by way of drone warfare, the countless murders in Afghanistan to find one man.  In Iraq it was bad but Jesus never promised his path was easy and if the Iraqi state didn't exist that wouldn't have happened.  In my opinion 9/11 should have been our call to leave the middle east, we have been fighting them for over 200 years (Barbary pirates war) and until someone steps up and turns the other cheek, this circle of violence will continue.  Remember, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).  He didn't say "might" He said "will" and the state is no different
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2012, 07:48:42 PM »
I would not doubt if he was.  Remember, anarchism isn't just for kids who dress and black wanting their drugs.  It is a very interesting and good concept in many ways.
Amen, I'm 25 and I've yet to meet a violent anarchist or an anarchist who only does it for the drugs.  The problem is that too many people have a misconception about anarchy and they think all of us are violent drug addicts. 
You must not get out much. 
you must watch too much fox news
Not so much.
fox news, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, whatever.  They are all the same
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2012, 07:58:05 PM »
What really bothers me about young anarchists is its a fad, the modern cool thing to do, but of you look back at other fads (big hair, jam shorts, members only jackets), they go away and people grow out of them.  These folks don't realize they are going through a growing up phase and it won't lost.  Well, not with most people, but most people eventually grow up.

For instance, the reappearance of Che Guevara.  People think he was cool, but are ignorant of what he really was...which included being an anarchist, which is why people think he is cool.
let me introduce you to the ultra desert society.  THEY are the real anarchists, che Guevara was a murderer and I've never denied that.  But I believe this because I believe, I do not have the right to steal from or force my will upon you, therefore, some corrupt politician in washington who sits on his butt, cheats on his wife, smokes illegal drugs, takes honest family men to go and die for them or kill other honest family men for the crime of not agreeing with his moral values for his personal benefit, is allowed to buy stocks in prisons, goes on million dollar vacations, gets massive pensions, meanwhile there stupid decisions is causing people to not be able to eat in third world countries should not have the right to steal from or force there will upon us.
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Re: Is Jesus Christ an Anarchist
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2012, 08:00:02 PM »
I do not doubt for a second that many anarchists are friendly peaceful people who only wish for a better society, however, the problem is, that you never hear about them. I can't say anything about the US but in Denmark, you never see a pacifist anarchist writing an article or appearing on television to explain what anarchism is all about and how society should be. Instead they are giving room for extremists who are running through the streets, setting cars on fire.
in that case, be the first, start a revolution, I'll pray that that happens for Denmark and thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will look into it
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