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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #135 on: September 08, 2012, 06:15:27 PM »
I do not think it necessary to go into many specifics on why normal sexual relations between men and women do not include anal sex. Again, this seems common sense to me.
Then keep it between you and the Mrs.
Something you apparently lack.
Something you definitely claim, despite lacking basis.

The female can be injured.
Any number of ways in penis-vaginal sex.

The male can be made sick by the bacteria.
also not lacking in your oriface of choice.

And that is just for starters. It is not a good practice.
Don't like it, don't do it.

It is sodomy.  Sodomy being biblically defined as any unnatural and unclean sexual act.
Sodomy isn't a biblical term, consequently the Bible doesn't define sodomy.

Now we need your definition of "unnatural" and "unclean."

This is the basis for my opinion.
No, your opinion is the basis for your eisogesis.

I think it is on very solid ground.
Proverbs 26:12.

Your ideas, not so much.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2012, 06:26:52 PM by ialmisry »
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #136 on: September 08, 2012, 06:43:19 PM »
And little old me thought that poor St. Augustine of Hippo was responsible for the fixation on sex among certain of the faithful....glad to know it gets the passions rolling in the East as well.

This whole conversation is - stupid. Period. There was a book some years ago called 'Everything I need to Know I learned in Kindergarten.' The author could do well to pen a sequel called - 'Everything I need to know about Sex and Marriage as taught by the Church I should have learned in Sunday School.' Enough already.

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #137 on: September 08, 2012, 06:45:30 PM »
Regardless of what someone calls it, it's wrong.

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #138 on: September 08, 2012, 06:45:56 PM »
I do not think it necessary to go into many specifics on why normal sexual relations between men and women do not include anal sex. Again, this seems common sense to me.
Then keep it between you and the Mrs.
Something you apparently lack.
Something you definitely claim, despite lacking basis.

The female can be injured.
Any number of ways in penis-vaginal sex.

The male can be made sick by the bacteria.
also not lacking in your oriface of choice.

And that is just for starters. It is not a good practice.
Don't like it, don't do it.

It is sodomy.  Sodomy being biblically defined as any unnatural and unclean sexual act.
Sodomy isn't a biblical term, consequently the Bible doesn't define sodomy.

Now we need your definition of "unnatural" and "unclean."

This is the basis for my opinion.
No, your opinion is the basis for your eisogesis.

I think it is on very solid ground.
Proverbs 26:12.

Your ideas, not so much.


To try and equate the inherent health risks of penile/anal copulation to penile/vaginal copulation between a healthy male and female goes beyond any honest and/or intelligent attempt at dialogue. I will waste no more time with you.

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #139 on: September 08, 2012, 06:53:27 PM »
This commercial reminds me of the odd preeed-i-LEC-tions of this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR3BVN8ofk8
and this of those who spend so much time on professing their disgust for things that disgust them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TbSQeNh0mE
For the record, I can't stand Miracle Whip, or mayonnaise.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2012, 07:00:25 PM by ialmisry »
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #140 on: September 08, 2012, 06:58:12 PM »
I do not think it necessary to go into many specifics on why normal sexual relations between men and women do not include anal sex. Again, this seems common sense to me.
Then keep it between you and the Mrs.
Something you apparently lack.
Something you definitely claim, despite lacking basis.

The female can be injured.
Any number of ways in penis-vaginal sex.

The male can be made sick by the bacteria.
also not lacking in your oriface of choice.

And that is just for starters. It is not a good practice.
Don't like it, don't do it.

It is sodomy.  Sodomy being biblically defined as any unnatural and unclean sexual act.
Sodomy isn't a biblical term, consequently the Bible doesn't define sodomy.

Now we need your definition of "unnatural" and "unclean."

This is the basis for my opinion.
No, your opinion is the basis for your eisogesis.

I think it is on very solid ground.
Proverbs 26:12.

Your ideas, not so much.


To try and equate the inherent health risks of penile/anal copulation to penile/vaginal copulation between a healthy male and female goes beyond any honest and/or intelligent attempt at dialogue. I will waste no more time with you.
I dare say, you'll be wasting time with someone else then.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #141 on: September 08, 2012, 06:58:59 PM »
Regardless of what someone calls it, it's wrong.

What is?
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #142 on: September 08, 2012, 07:01:04 PM »
To try and equate the inherent health risks of penile/anal copulation to penile/vaginal copulation between a healthy male and female goes beyond any honest and/or intelligent attempt at dialogue. I will waste no more time with you.

Fractured penises (regardless of how they are fractured) are more common than you think in hospital emergency rooms.

What if the male and female aren't healthy?  What if they're old?  Do you know that there's a higher incidence of sexually transmitted diseases among the elderly?  Yep, they're having unprotected sex in their nursing home, assisted living facility, etc.  Blame erectile dysfunction medications, lubricants, whatever - man wants to, as the late Marvin Gaye would put it, "get it on."

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #143 on: September 08, 2012, 10:02:59 PM »
Regardless of what someone calls it, it's wrong.


What is?
Relative to the thread title.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #144 on: September 08, 2012, 11:48:16 PM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.
You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

Ah, you mean the education system where we teach young people that they don't need to hate themselves? That one?
No, that one that teaches self loathing to boys, whites (especially Europeans, and worse yet Northern Europeans), heterosexuals, Christians-basically anyone not fitting in pet minority favored status.

Wait, so why do all the straight, white, upper-middle-class, Christian boys I went to school with NOT hate themselves?
Because you went to a school that taught you how to read hearts?

Or perhaps the parents pulled them out of today's (re)education system?

They most certainly attended public school from kindergarten through high school, and about 85% of them are attending public colleges/universities right now.

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #145 on: September 08, 2012, 11:48:16 PM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.
You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

Ah, you mean the education system where we teach young people that they don't need to hate themselves? That one?
No, that one that teaches self loathing to boys, whites (especially Europeans, and worse yet Northern Europeans), heterosexuals, Christians-basically anyone not fitting in pet minority favored status.
Oh, to further identify it: the "education system" that finds it necessary to introduce sex ed in Kindergarten, read fairy tales about two mommies and dad's rooom-mate, advocate casual sex without the constraints of morality....that re-educational system."

I've yet to encounter this education system either.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #146 on: September 09, 2012, 12:02:31 AM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.
You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

Ah, you mean the education system where we teach young people that they don't need to hate themselves? That one?
No, that one that teaches self loathing to boys, whites (especially Europeans, and worse yet Northern Europeans), heterosexuals, Christians-basically anyone not fitting in pet minority favored status.
Oh, to further identify it: the "education system" that finds it necessary to introduce sex ed in Kindergarten, read fairy tales about two mommies and dad's rooom-mate, advocate casual sex without the constraints of morality....that re-educational system."

I've yet to encounter this education system either.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #147 on: September 09, 2012, 12:03:23 AM »
Regardless of what someone calls it, it's wrong.


What is?
Relative to the thread title.
same sex marriage?  Yes.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #148 on: September 09, 2012, 12:25:01 AM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.
You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

Ah, you mean the education system where we teach young people that they don't need to hate themselves? That one?
No, that one that teaches self loathing to boys, whites (especially Europeans, and worse yet Northern Europeans), heterosexuals, Christians-basically anyone not fitting in pet minority favored status.
Oh, to further identify it: the "education system" that finds it necessary to introduce sex ed in Kindergarten, read fairy tales about two mommies and dad's rooom-mate, advocate casual sex without the constraints of morality....that re-educational system."

I've yet to encounter this education system either.

You are dealing with talking points James. It has little or nothing to do with reality. Yet World Orthodoxy must be swayed by these sorts of arguments.

I do appreciate your posts James and although you might not like to hear this under moderation, your ability to identify crap has never been better.


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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #149 on: September 09, 2012, 01:17:14 AM »
Regardless of what someone calls it, it's wrong.


What is?
Relative to the thread title.
same sex marriage?  Yes.
Sex outside marriage and same sex sexual encounters as well.

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« Reply #150 on: September 09, 2012, 01:20:00 AM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.
You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

Ah, you mean the education system where we teach young people that they don't need to hate themselves? That one?
No, that one that teaches self loathing to boys, whites (especially Europeans, and worse yet Northern Europeans), heterosexuals, Christians-basically anyone not fitting in pet minority favored status.
Oh, to further identify it: the "education system" that finds it necessary to introduce sex ed in Kindergarten, read fairy tales about two mommies and dad's rooom-mate, advocate casual sex without the constraints of morality....that re-educational system."

I've yet to encounter this education system either.

You are dealing with talking points James. It has little or nothing to do with reality.
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I teach public high school in inner city Chicago.  Doesn't get more real.

Yet World Orthodoxy must be swayed by these sorts of arguments.

I do appreciate your posts James and although you might not like to hear this under moderation, your ability to identify crap has never been better.
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« Last Edit: September 09, 2012, 01:21:59 AM by ialmisry »
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #151 on: September 09, 2012, 01:20:25 AM »
Regardless of what someone calls it, it's wrong.


What is?
Relative to the thread title.
same sex marriage?  Yes.
Sex outside marriage and same sex sexual encounters as well.
Yes again.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #152 on: September 09, 2012, 01:20:42 AM »
Now for a serious question: what do you call a homosexual who doesn't engage in sodomy or any sexual activity whatsoever?  

Celibate.


Not quite. Apparently today, celibate just means not marrying while still engaging in ungodly sexual activity (fornication, adultery, etc.) outside of marriage. Thus, living a celibate life apparently is not equal to living a chaste life.

Married couples can live chaste lives and still have marital intercourse. Chastity within marriage was certainly observed by Saints Joachim and Anna. However, some elderly married couples may not have marital intercourse by choice or by inability to function.

Those with a homosexual orientation are called by God to live a chaste and pure life, not just a celibate life. Nevertheless, all Christians are called to live a chaste and pure life according to their vocation in life, so no one is being singled out. Those in the monastic ranks should live according to the vow of chastity (the angelic life) which is different from living a chaste and pure life. Living a chaste life or the angelic life requires prayer and fasting.

"Those with a homosexual 'orientation' are" not only "called to live a chaste and pure life," but to grow in life in Christ as all are called, and grow in their spirituality, but homosexuals must work on correcting their perverted tendency.  "God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him, male and female created He them...and the Lord God said, It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him...the Lord God...took one of Adam's ribs...and ...made He a women and brought her unto the man.  And Adam said, This is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called Women for she was taken out of Man.  Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh."  Extracted from Genesis 1:27, 2:18, 21, 22, 23.  This is the natural order.

Contemporary psychology since the 1970's adopted the politically correct agenda, dropping its previous understanding of homosexuality as a mental disturbance.  Archbishop Chrysostoms of Etna (CA), of the St. Gregory Palamas Monastery and the Center for Traditionalist Orthodox Studies, American Exarch of the moderate Old Calendar Greek Synod in Resistance,  who earned multiple graduate and post graduate degrees from Eastern schools, has written that he has served as the spiritual father of homosexuals and with a great deal of work and prayer, ultimately corrected the sexually perverse homosexual feelings, correcting their so called "orientation."  It is a long and difficult process, but the point is, homosexual feelings can be corrected, returning people to the natural order.

We are all called to live chaste and pure lives according to our station in life. Sodomy is not pure nor chaste, neither is fornication or adultery.

I do believe that through the Grace of God, those persons who wish to repent and change their lives can  do so. This takes prayer, fasting, humility, perseverance, faith, hope, and love. No matter what our disordered passions are, we can change and repent as nothing is impossible with God. However, it does take time and patience to subdue our passions. Only through patience will we obtain the Crown of Glory.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #153 on: September 09, 2012, 01:46:23 AM »
We are all called to live chaste and pure lives according to our station in life. Sodomy is not pure nor chaste, neither is fornication or adultery.

I do believe that through the Grace of God, those persons who wish to repent and change their lives can  do so. This takes prayer, fasting, humility, perseverance, faith, hope, and love. No matter what our disordered passions are, we can change and repent as nothing is impossible with God. However, it does take time and patience to subdue our passions. Only through patience will we obtain the Crown of Glory.

I can receive the Crown of Glory after wallowing through filth like a pig?  What if one takes an erectile dysfunction medication, should one stop sex cold turkey to avoid being tempted by the undefined sodomy and the more clearly defined fornication and adultery?  I just can't look at nursing homes and assisted living facilities the same way after reading an AARP magazine article describing sexual trends and sexually transmitted diseases among the elderly.  What if there's a now elderly wife (or widow) who tired of "man on top, husband's penis entering wife's vagina during fertile period, eyes shut, no kissing, lights out, get it over with as quickly as possible sex" and wants to experience a different view of sexuality without being condemned to wallow through filth like a pig?   ???

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #154 on: September 09, 2012, 04:07:27 AM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.


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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #155 on: September 09, 2012, 04:09:38 AM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

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« Reply #156 on: September 09, 2012, 07:44:00 AM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.
You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

Ah, you mean the education system where we teach young people that they don't need to hate themselves? That one?
No, that one that teaches self loathing to boys, whites (especially Europeans, and worse yet Northern Europeans), heterosexuals, Christians-basically anyone not fitting in pet minority favored status.
Oh, to further identify it: the "education system" that finds it necessary to introduce sex ed in Kindergarten, read fairy tales about two mommies and dad's rooom-mate, advocate casual sex without the constraints of morality....that re-educational system."

I've yet to encounter this education system either.

You are dealing with talking points James. It has little or nothing to do with reality. Yet World Orthodoxy must be swayed by these sorts of arguments.

I do appreciate your posts James and although you might not like to hear this under moderation, your ability to identify crap has never been better.



I certainly appreciate that.
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« Reply #157 on: September 09, 2012, 11:21:19 AM »

This isn't MSNBC

I consider MSNBC crap as well Ialmisry. No argument on this.

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« Reply #158 on: September 10, 2012, 08:09:24 PM »
The fish in the tank doesn't know it's wet?
When does the dream end and reality begin?

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #159 on: September 11, 2012, 02:17:35 AM »
Sorry I've had too much coffee and cherry pie today.

The Fathers condemned the former; the latter only permissible within marriage.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #160 on: September 11, 2012, 10:35:44 AM »
We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.
You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

Neither do yeshuaisiam's, IIRC.  Doesn't he homeschool?
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #161 on: September 11, 2012, 02:34:42 PM »
Sorry I've had too much coffee and cherry pie today.

The Fathers condemned the former; the latter only permissible within marriage.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #162 on: September 11, 2012, 02:34:55 PM »
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #163 on: September 11, 2012, 03:52:55 PM »
Sodogamy only makes sense if you're marrying your lawn.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #164 on: September 12, 2012, 09:46:04 PM »
My life is complete.  An entire thread of butt sex and puns.
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« Reply #165 on: September 12, 2012, 09:58:34 PM »
My life is complete.  An entire thread of butt sex and puns.
Butt can you map it?
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« Reply #166 on: September 13, 2012, 12:25:21 AM »
Sodogamy only makes sense if you're marrying your lawn.

I think this describes most married men in the suburbs, although I have not interviewed all of them.

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« Reply #167 on: September 13, 2012, 10:20:06 AM »
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #168 on: September 13, 2012, 10:21:09 AM »
Sodogamy only makes sense if you're marrying your lawn.

I think this describes most married men in the suburbs, although I have not interviewed all of them.

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #169 on: October 13, 2012, 05:19:29 PM »
We call them ¨sodomites¨ too.
Who's "we"? You and Satan?

¨We¨ being the definition of a sodomite.

A person who practices sodomy

Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is any non-penile/vaginal copulation-like act, such as oral or anal sex, or sex between a person and an animal.[1] The word is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.[1] So-called "sodomy laws" in many countries criminalized not only these behaviors, but other disfavored sexual activities as well...

That's not the historical meaning of Sodomite. If you look up "Grace" in a dictionary, you'll get "unmerited favor" because Protestantism has influenced the English Language. Homosexual sex was not the sin of Sodom and that comes straight from the Bible: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49. Of course their homosexuality was a part of the decadence, much like the Pagan Greeks, but homosexuality was not the primary sin. I'm not saying it's not a sin, but honestly, I don't see any point in self-righteously calling them "sodomites". I'm just happy when they remain Christian at all and stick with one partner as opposed to drowning themselves in the cess-pit that is the "Gay Culture" (or sub-culture, perhaps) that flaunts decadent immoral sex. I just advise them to try celibacy if at all possible for them, and if not to make sure sex doesn't become the cornerstone of their relationship.

Personally, this whole "sodogamy" thing is nonsense. Say homosexual instead of "gay", but don't act like homosexuals have a choice, that's simply their sexuality. I honestly have a hard time expecting them to not act on it. I thank God that I don't have that problem, because it's hard enough for me to control my own heterosexuality.

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #170 on: October 13, 2012, 07:08:35 PM »
We call them ¨sodomites¨ too.
Who's "we"? You and Satan?

¨We¨ being the definition of a sodomite.

A person who practices sodomy

Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is any non-penile/vaginal copulation-like act, such as oral or anal sex, or sex between a person and an animal.[1] The word is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.[1] So-called "sodomy laws" in many countries criminalized not only these behaviors, but other disfavored sexual activities as well...

That's not the historical meaning of Sodomite. If you look up "Grace" in a dictionary, you'll get "unmerited favor" because Protestantism has influenced the English Language. Homosexual sex was not the sin of Sodom and that comes straight from the Bible: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49.

Blah, blah, blah....sorry. Protestantism, smotestantism.. Not buying it. When you say Sodomite everyone one knows exactly what you are talking about. The word works for me and it seems everyone else. And I am not buying Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because the people were ¨lazy¨ or ¨rude¨ or whatever else it is you are trying to spin there. It sounds sweet. Very PC. Very touchy-feely and it is also a lot of BS.  For over 2,000 years everyone knew exactly why these cities were destroyed. Then suddenly in the last 30 everyone is confused?? Nah, not buying it. Do not even try to change my mind. It is not going to happen.

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #171 on: October 13, 2012, 07:12:28 PM »
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #174 on: October 13, 2012, 07:21:28 PM »
We call them ¨sodomites¨ too.
Who's "we"? You and Satan?

¨We¨ being the definition of a sodomite.

A person who practices sodomy

Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is any non-penile/vaginal copulation-like act, such as oral or anal sex, or sex between a person and an animal.[1] The word is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.[1] So-called "sodomy laws" in many countries criminalized not only these behaviors, but other disfavored sexual activities as well...

That's not the historical meaning of Sodomite. If you look up "Grace" in a dictionary, you'll get "unmerited favor" because Protestantism has influenced the English Language. Homosexual sex was not the sin of Sodom and that comes straight from the Bible: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49. Of course their homosexuality was a part of the decadence, much like the Pagan Greeks, but homosexuality was not the primary sin. I'm not saying it's not a sin, but honestly, I don't see any point in self-righteously calling them "sodomites". I'm just happy when they remain Christian at all and stick with one partner as opposed to drowning themselves in the cess-pit that is the "Gay Culture" (or sub-culture, perhaps) that flaunts decadent immoral sex. I just advise them to try celibacy if at all possible for them, and if not to make sure sex doesn't become the cornerstone of their relationship.

Personally, this whole "sodogamy" thing is nonsense. Say homosexual instead of "gay", but don't act like homosexuals have a choice, that's simply their sexuality. I honestly have a hard time expecting them to not act on it. I thank God that I don't have that problem, because it's hard enough for me to control my own heterosexuality.

Michael, I admire your charitable and understanding approach to this subject. I hope more Orthodox Christians will come to adopt a similar stance. And I really wish that militant anti-homosexual Christians could try to remember that Christ's emphasis was on love, mercy, and forgiveness. And on not labeling or judging other sinners.
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« Reply #175 on: October 13, 2012, 07:22:06 PM »

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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #176 on: October 13, 2012, 07:28:26 PM »
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If you will, you can become all flame.
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #177 on: October 13, 2012, 07:40:10 PM »
We call them ¨sodomites¨ too.
Who's "we"? You and Satan?

¨We¨ being the definition of a sodomite.

A person who practices sodomy

Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is any non-penile/vaginal copulation-like act, such as oral or anal sex, or sex between a person and an animal.[1] The word is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.[1] So-called "sodomy laws" in many countries criminalized not only these behaviors, but other disfavored sexual activities as well...

That's not the historical meaning of Sodomite. If you look up "Grace" in a dictionary, you'll get "unmerited favor" because Protestantism has influenced the English Language. Homosexual sex was not the sin of Sodom and that comes straight from the Bible: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49. Of course their homosexuality was a part of the decadence, much like the Pagan Greeks, but homosexuality was not the primary sin. I'm not saying it's not a sin, but honestly, I don't see any point in self-righteously calling them "sodomites". I'm just happy when they remain Christian at all and stick with one partner as opposed to drowning themselves in the cess-pit that is the "Gay Culture" (or sub-culture, perhaps) that flaunts decadent immoral sex. I just advise them to try celibacy if at all possible for them, and if not to make sure sex doesn't become the cornerstone of their relationship.

Personally, this whole "sodogamy" thing is nonsense. Say homosexual instead of "gay", but don't act like homosexuals have a choice, that's simply their sexuality. I honestly have a hard time expecting them to not act on it. I thank God that I don't have that problem, because it's hard enough for me to control my own heterosexuality.

Michael, I admire your charitable and understanding approach to this subject. I hope more Orthodox Christians will come to adopt a similar stance.

I bet you do. I bet it just warmed your heart.

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¨I'm just happy when they remain Christian at all and stick with one partner as opposed to drowning themselves in the cess-pit that is the "Gay Culture"

Uh, that is an ¨Orthodox¨ position?? Not quite. The day I see open homosexual couples taking the eucharist in a church sweetheart is the day me and my family walk out of it. And no, I do not care what you think of me. And I do not think I would be going alone either. 

 

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« Reply #178 on: October 13, 2012, 08:27:49 PM »
Uh, that is an ¨Orthodox¨ position?? Not quite. The day I see open homosexual couples taking the eucharist in a church sweetheart is the day me and my family walk out of it. And no, I do not care what you think of me. And I do not think I would be going alone either. 

It's Michael's position, not Orthodoxy's, and I happen to agree with him. There are other places for homosexual Christians to worship Christ. And "The Spirit bloweth where it listeth!" Don't worry that homosexuals will spoil your precious church experience in an Orthodox parish, sweetheart. It won't happen.  :-*
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Re: Sodogamy vs. homosexual
« Reply #179 on: October 13, 2012, 08:47:18 PM »
Uh, that is an ¨Orthodox¨ position?? Not quite. The day I see open homosexual couples taking the eucharist in a church sweetheart is the day me and my family walk out of it. And no, I do not care what you think of me. And I do not think I would be going alone either. 

It's Michael's position, not Orthodoxy's, and I happen to agree with him.

I already guessed that.  ;D

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If a Christian church  will not let in homosexuals to worship Christ it is not a Christian church in my opinion. 

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And "The Spirit bloweth where it listeth!" Don't worry that homosexuals will spoil your precious church experience in an Orthodox parish, sweetheart. It won't happen.  :-*

Homosexuals in a church will not spoil my church experience. In fact I can not think of a better place for them. What would spoil my experience is the church pretending sinful and harmful activity is not, well....sinful and harmful.