Topic: Sodogamy vs. homosexual

[Maria]

The word "gay" used to mean "happy."
Now that word is banned on other forums.

The word "homosexual" was coined per Father Patrick:

A new word has recently been coined . . .

Although it has not yet made its way into the English dictionary, it does deserve such admission, in my opinion.

The word is sodogamy and speaks for itself.

By the by, I am on record (for more than a half-century) as opposed to the word “homosexual.” This alleged word is what grammarians call a bastard progeny, because it conjoins alien etymological roots.

In this case, the Greek root homo and the Latin root sexus were combined to form “homosexual,” the malformed progeny of a truly unnatural union.

That is to say, “homosexual” came of joining things in a way they were never intended to be joined.

http://www.monomakhos.com/removing-metropolitan-jonah-hurt-the-american-orthodox-church/#comment-33135

I too prefer the word sodogamy as it describes what it is.
Let us campaign to return the word "gay" back to the good old days, and retire the word "homosexual."

[augustin717]

The word "gay" used to mean "happy."
Now that word is banned on other forums.

The word "homosexual" was coined per Father Patrick:

A new word has recently been coined . . .

Although it has not yet made its way into the English dictionary, it does deserve such admission, in my opinion.

The word is sodogamy and speaks for itself.

By the by, I am on record (for more than a half-century) as opposed to the word “homosexual.” This alleged word is what grammarians call a bastard progeny, because it conjoins alien etymological roots.

In this case, the Greek root homo and the Latin root sexus were combined to form “homosexual,” the malformed progeny of a truly unnatural union.

That is to say, “homosexual” came of joining things in a way they were never intended to be joined.

http://www.monomakhos.com/removing-metropolitan-jonah-hurt-the-american-orthodox-church/#comment-33135

I too prefer the word sodogamy as it describes what it is.
Let us campaign to return the word "gay" back to the good old days, and retire the word "homosexual."

Or you could get a life instead of campaigning for silly stuff. And so can father Patrick.

[Jetavan]

The word "gay" used to mean "happy."
Now that word is banned on other forums.

The word "homosexual" was coined per Father Patrick:

A new word has recently been coined . . .

Although it has not yet made its way into the English dictionary, it does deserve such admission, in my opinion.

The word is sodogamy and speaks for itself.

By the by, I am on record (for more than a half-century) as opposed to the word “homosexual.” This alleged word is what grammarians call a bastard progeny, because it conjoins alien etymological roots.

In this case, the Greek root homo and the Latin root sexus were combined to form “homosexual,” the malformed progeny of a truly unnatural union.

That is to say, “homosexual” came of joining things in a way they were never intended to be joined.

http://www.monomakhos.com/removing-metropolitan-jonah-hurt-the-american-orthodox-church/#comment-33135

I too prefer the word sodogamy as it describes what it is.
Let us campaign to return the word "gay" back to the good old days, and retire the word "homosexual."

So Greek and Latin
must forever contend,
and never shall the twain
as one
remain?

[Tallitot]

I too prefer the word sodogamy as it describes what it is.
Let us campaign to return the word "gay" back to the good old days, and retire the word "homosexual."

What is that? The ancient Japanese art of homosexuals folding paper?

[Justin Kissel]

What a queer thread.

[ialmisry]

The word "gay" used to mean "happy."
Now that word is banned on other forums.

The word "homosexual" was coined per Father Patrick:

A new word has recently been coined . . .

Although it has not yet made its way into the English dictionary, it does deserve such admission, in my opinion.

The word is sodogamy and speaks for itself.

By the by, I am on record (for more than a half-century) as opposed to the word “homosexual.” This alleged word is what grammarians call a bastard progeny, because it conjoins alien etymological roots.

In this case, the Greek root homo and the Latin root sexus were combined to form “homosexual,” the malformed progeny of a truly unnatural union.

That is to say, “homosexual” came of joining things in a way they were never intended to be joined.

http://www.monomakhos.com/removing-metropolitan-jonah-hurt-the-american-orthodox-church/#comment-33135

I too prefer the word sodogamy as it describes what it is.
Let us campaign to return the word "gay" back to the good old days, and retire the word "homosexual."

Or you could get a life instead of campaigning for silly stuff. And so can father Patrick.

You're the only one campaigning for silly stuff.  Few things are sillier than socialism, as shown in the comparison between the Erie and Danube canals.  Or do you have a different accounting on the comparison?  Let's have it.

Do you tell Fr. Pat that, or are you waging a silly campaign behind his back with what you wouldn't say to his face?

[LBK]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK? At least homosexual applies to both versions of same-sex attraction. As for mixing Latin and Greek roots, the English language does this all the time: Television, anyone?

[Jetavan]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK? At least homosexual applies to both versions of same-sex attraction. As for mixing Latin and Greek roots, the English language does this all the time: Television, anyone?

"Sodogamy" is a mix of roots, too: "-gamy" is from the Greek, whereas "sodom-" is not.

[ialmisry]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK? At least homosexual applies to both versions of same-sex attraction. As for mixing Latin and Greek roots, the English language does this all the time: Television, anyone?

"Sodogamy" is a mix of roots, too: "-gamy" is from the Greek, whereas "sodom-" is not.

Sodom is from the Greek form of the place name.

Sodomy, however, is not an Orthodox word (Fr. Pat is somewhat still living in captivity to the West).

LOL. "Sodomy" didn't enter Orthodox parlance until Czar Peter, in imitation of all things Latin, put it there.  And even then, it refers to homosexuality (in German it means bestiality).  There are earlier references to homosexuality in connection with Sodom's damnation, but the term doesn't come into use until the 11th century, in the West.

I apologized for not being so well versed. It doesn't matter what its called, it is sinful.

I'll admit, you have me a tad bit confused. You say that Orthodox who view oral sex as sin also classify french kissing as sin. Now, a lot is lost over the internet, but it seemed to me that you disagreed with viewing oral sex as sinful when you used that comparison. Do you view french kissing as a sin? Fr. Josiah clearly thinks oral sex is a sin.

I guess I just don't see why me using the word "sodomy" was so "LOL" worthy. It was vocabulary. The meaning remains the same.

not exactly: it comes with baggage.

I said that the material that some Orthodox depend on to justify their views on oral sex, said material also condemns french kissing.

I can quite easily accurately state the opinions of others while disagreeing with them.  I disagree with Fr. Josiah.

No, I don't view french kissing as a sin-depending on with whom.  Nor, for that matter, oral sex.

Nektarios attempted to dismiss Orthodox morality in general by claiming that no Orthodox priest would not preach the truth as he sees it and risk his paycheck.  Whatever else his faults, Fr. Trenham is not for hire.

[ialmisry]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK?

Depends if the heart of "sodomy" revolves around "wasting seed."  That is something that seems to be at the core (but perhaps not limited to) Fr. Pat's objection to it.

[LBK]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK?

Depends if the heart of "sodomy" revolves around "wasting seed."  That is something that seems to be at the core (but perhaps not limited to) Fr. Pat's objection to it.

I should have put this smiley  in my post. BTW, is Fr Patrick a graduate of St Vladimirs?

[biro]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK?

Depends if the heart of "sodomy" revolves around "wasting seed."  That is something that seems to be at the core (but perhaps not limited to) Fr. Pat's objection to it.

I should have put this smiley  in my post. BTW, is Fr Patrick a graduate of St Vladimirs?

No, but he did go to St. Tikhon's.

http://www.allsaintsorthodox.org/pastor/bio.php

[Jetavan]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK? At least homosexual applies to both versions of same-sex attraction. As for mixing Latin and Greek roots, the English language does this all the time: Television, anyone?

"Sodogamy" is a mix of roots, too: "-gamy" is from the Greek, whereas "sodom-" is not.

Sodom is from the Greek form of the place name.

True, but the English "sodomy" is from the Latin form, "Sodoma".

[Αριστοκλής]

What a queer thread.

+1

[ialmisry]

Sodogamy? Or does this mean that lesbianism is OK? At least homosexual applies to both versions of same-sex attraction. As for mixing Latin and Greek roots, the English language does this all the time: Television, anyone?

"Sodogamy" is a mix of roots, too: "-gamy" is from the Greek, whereas "sodom-" is not.

Sodom is from the Greek form of the place name.

True, but the English "sodomy" is from the Latin form, "Sodoma".

Actually, I think from the Latin "Sodomiticum."
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,38152.msg742110.html#msg742110

[dzheremi]

I too prefer the word sodogamy as it describes what it is.
Let us campaign to return the word "gay" back to the good old days, and retire the word "homosexual."

What is that? The ancient Japanese art of homosexuals folding paper?

No. That's homogami. The stress is on the penultimate syllable, so they are not quite sodomophones.

[yeshuaisiam]

We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

[akimori makoto]

[...] homogami [...]

In Japanese would mean "homosexual paper".

[dzheremi]

In English, it would be a joke.

[akimori makoto]

In English, it would be a joke.

I got it, I just thought you might enjoy the notion of homosexual paper.

[dzheremi]

Oh, I most definitely do. I bet it is very fastidious and popular among somewhat neglected women.

[Alpo]

The worst aspect of Sodom was not homosexual acts. This was:

Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom thy sister, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters: and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and to the poor.

So using "sodogamy" as refering to homosexuality is misguided and puts an emphasis on wrong things.

[ialmisry]

The worst aspect of Sodom was not homosexual acts. This was:

Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom thy sister, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters: and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and to the poor.

So using "sodogamy" as refering to homosexuality is misguided and puts an emphasis on wrong things.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5459.msg384877.html#msg384877

[Alpo]

The worst aspect of Sodom was not homosexual acts. This was:

Behold this was the iniquity of Sodom thy sister, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance, and the idleness of her, and of her daughters: and they did not put forth their hand to the needy, and to the poor.

So using "sodogamy" as refering to homosexuality is misguided and puts an emphasis on wrong things.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5459.msg384877.html#msg384877

Now you lost me. What's the point?

I'm not trying to say that homosexual acts are not sinful or that the weren't part of Sodoms sins if that's what you thought. However I'm saying that the worst aspect was generally bad treatment of the needy and the poor. As for the Lot incident, a case can be made that the worst aspect was bad treatment of guests by trying to gang rape them instead of homosexuality. Again,  I'm not saying that homosexual acts aren't sinful.

[Basil 320]

The word "gay" used to mean "happy."
Now that word is banned on other forums.

The word "homosexual" was coined per Father Patrick:

A new word has recently been coined . . .

Although it has not yet made its way into the English dictionary, it does deserve such admission, in my opinion.

The word is sodogamy and speaks for itself.

By the by, I am on record (for more than a half-century) as opposed to the word “homosexual.” This alleged word is what grammarians call a bastard progeny, because it conjoins alien etymological roots.

In this case, the Greek root homo and the Latin root sexus were combined to form “homosexual,” the malformed progeny of a truly unnatural union.

That is to say, “homosexual” came of joining things in a way they were never intended to be joined.

http://www.monomakhos.com/removing-metropolitan-jonah-hurt-the-american-orthodox-church/#comment-33135

I too prefer the word sodogamy as it describes what it is.
Let us campaign to return the word "gay" back to the good old days, and retire the word "homosexual."

I'm all for the proposed campaign.  It's kind of like the word "choice," replacing the words "abortion" and "murder"  But "vs." has no place here, a sodomite is a homosexual.

[HabteSelassie]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

That is so nice of y'all

stay blessed,
habte selassie

[Iconodule]

The fact that someone would take the time to even think of something like this, let alone put forth a serious argument about it, is saddening.

[ialmisry]

The fact that someone would take the time to even think of something like this, let alone put forth a serious argument about it, is saddening.

Are you as sad about the one who dreamed up "marriage equality" and the name "Human Rights Campaign"?

[NicholasMyra]

Jeremy,  I apologize for underestimating your wit.

[NicholasMyra]

We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course.)

I dunno. Them pioneers got mighty lonely.

[Schultz]

We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.

[Green_Umbrella]

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

That is so nice of y'all
stay blessed,
habte selassie

We call them ¨sodomites¨ too. A spade is a spade.

[Ionnis]

Do you call Black people coloreds and negroes too?  How about people with down syndrome?  Are they mongoloids?  What about those yellow people?  I personally call "sodomites" human beings, but I can understand how that would be too progressive for some.  Now for a serious question: what do you call a homosexual who doesn't engage in sodomy or any sexual activity whatsoever? 

[podkarpatska]

We speak of the 'great heresy' of phyletism all of the time - but one sin that is prominently mentioned in the New Testament - that of judging not your brothers and the casting of the first sin - not so much. Do you people think you are being 'cute' or 'funny?' I am NOT defending by any means the so-called 'gay agenda' - far from it, but this is bordering on the absurd, not to mention distasteful.

[augustin717]

As much as that word "homophobia" is abused, this thread is certainly a good proof that such a thing exist. And I am calling fr. Patrick a homophobe.

[ialmisry]

As much as that word "homophobia" is abused, this thread is certainly a good proof that such a thing exist. And I am calling fr. Patrick a homophobe.

Of course you are.  His face isnt' here.

Homophobia, fear of sameness?  Usually you are accusing All Saints of that.

[ialmisry]

We call the "sodomites" in our home.   We read a lot of older pioneer books to the children that talk about people being "gay" (meaning happy of course).  We didn't want to confuse the young ones.

You talk about sodomites in front of your kids?

I didn't even know what homosexuality was until I was well into my teens and my family certainly wasn't the type that held things back for the sake of child's ears.

You didn't grow up in today's (re)education system.

[dzheremi]

I don't think it's necessary to call homosexuals sodomites in order to convey the proper moral teaching on homosexuality. It's not something I would personally do, nor find acceptable around myself (to say nothing of what others decide to say around their own children, which is none of my business).

That said, there are powerful forces at play which seek to normalize acceptance of homosexuality, at the expense of Christians and others of traditional morality regarding this and other issues, who increasingly find their consciences subject to legal sanction and public excoriation. This is, at minimum, just as unacceptable as the attacks on gays that we are constantly reminded are at "epidemic" levels these days (which I very much doubt, but even one is too many) that drive the criminalization of anti-homosexual viewpoints in the West.

So why one side should consistently "win" is not obvious to me. The so-called "human rights campaign" that centers around public support for who decides to have sex with who is extremely insulting to me, living in this world as I do where people are routinely beaten to death, murdered, etc. for praying to the wrong God, or belonging to the wrong political party, etc. Is who a person decides to share their bed with REALLY on the level of these other things? I refuse to accept that. It cheapens the entire idea of what "human rights" are.

[biro]

We speak of the 'great heresy' of phyletism all of the time - but one sin that is prominently mentioned in the New Testament - that of judging not your brothers and the casting of the first sin - not so much. Do you people think you are being 'cute' or 'funny?' I am NOT defending by any means the so-called 'gay agenda' - far from it, but this is bordering on the absurd, not to mention distasteful.

But it's okay to hate some people! 

[ialmisry]

We speak of the 'great heresy' of phyletism all of the time - but one sin that is prominently mentioned in the New Testament - that of judging not your brothers and the casting of the first sin - not so much. Do you people think you are being 'cute' or 'funny?' I am NOT defending by any means the so-called 'gay agenda' - far from it, but this is bordering on the absurd, not to mention distasteful.

But it's okay to hate some people! 

That's what we are told about the likes of Cardinal Dolan.

[Basil 320]

Do you call Black people coloreds and negroes too?  How about people with down syndrome?  Are they mongoloids?  What about those yellow people?  I personally call "sodomites" human beings, but I can understand how that would be too progressive for some.  Now for a serious question: what do you call a homosexual who doesn't engage in sodomy or any sexual activity whatsoever? 

Better I don't answer your question.

Ah, but yes, the political correctness of the day.  It's wrong, racist in fact if I'm not mistaken,  today, to refer to Black people as "colored people," but it's ok to to refer to Black people as "people of color;" yes, very logical.   The term
"African-American" is absurd, because it describes people from a continent, not a nation, a continent composed of Caucasians and Blacks, eg. Egyptians are Africans, and Egyptians who have immigrated to America, you guessed it, are "African-Americans," but Egyptians are Caucasian.  But, no, politically correct America has assigned the term "African-American," to people of the Black race.  What ever was wrong with the proper name for this race, "Negroe," from the Spanish for "black?"

[podkarpatska]

We speak of the 'great heresy' of phyletism all of the time - but one sin that is prominently mentioned in the New Testament - that of judging not your brothers and the casting of the first sin - not so much. Do you people think you are being 'cute' or 'funny?' I am NOT defending by any means the so-called 'gay agenda' - far from it, but this is bordering on the absurd, not to mention distasteful.

But it's okay to hate some people! 

That's what we are told about the likes of Cardinal Dolan.

Huh?  Stupid comments on blogs are telling us things? (If that's the case folks reading any of our Ortho blogs could pick up some warped ideas about our faith!)  Statements by extremists among advocacy groups? Like the ones that tell their minions to 'hate' the President? Enough with hate and hatred - they are the tools of the Evil One.

[Punch]

Do you call Black people coloreds and negroes too? 

Yes.  Much nicer than what most people around here call them.

How about people with down syndrome?  Are they mongoloids? 

No.  I have not heard that term since DEVO sang about them. 

What about those yellow people? 

Oriental works for me.  I have never really seen one that is really yellow.  In any case, most of my "yellow" friends prefer Oriental.

I personally call "sodomites" human beings, but I can understand how that would be too progressive bleeding heart liberal (FTFY) for some.  Now for a serious question: what do you call a homosexual who doesn't engage in sodomy or any sexual activity whatsoever? 

Well, he would certainly NOT be a fudge packer.  I would probably call one as you describe a person.

[Green_Umbrella]

Now for a serious question: what do you call a homosexual who doesn't engage in sodomy or any sexual activity whatsoever? 

Celibate.

[NicholasMyra]

We call them ¨sodomites¨ too.

Who's "we"? You and Satan?