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« on: September 05, 2012, 08:54:43 PM »

Can someone please be a quick reference and let me know where Paul refers to the Church as New Israel?

Also, is there reference to Israelites who stayed behind in Egypt and thus may not be considered of the True Israel?
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 09:20:20 PM »

I don't think the term 'new israel' appears in the New Testament. The church is Israel, there are old/new covenants but one Israel.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 09:29:19 PM »

Galatians 3:29 - If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

The Church is the fullfilment of Israel. The true children of Abraham are not a race (Jews), but are those who put their faith in Christ Jesus.
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 02:35:56 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

The Apostle Paul didn't necessarily say the Church is the new Israel, rather in Galatians chapter 6 the Church is referred to as

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And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
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Here is what Saint John Chrysostom had to say about it

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This our rule of life he calls “a new creature,” both on account of what is past, and of what is to come; of what is past, because our soul, which had grown old with the oldness of sin, hath been all at once renewed by baptism, as if it had been created again.163 Wherefore we require a new and heavenly rule of life. And of things to come, because both the heaven and the earth, and all the creation, shall with our bodies be translated into incorruption. Tell me not then, he says, of circumcision, which now availeth nothing; (for how shall it appear, when all things have undergone such a change?) but seek the new things of grace. For they who pursue these things shall enjoy peace and amity, and may properly be called by the name of “Israel.” While they who hold contrary sentiments, although they be descended from him (Israel) and bear his appellation, have yet fallen away from all these things, both the relationship and the name itself. But it is in their power to be true Israelites, who keep this rule, who desist from the old ways, and follow after grace. 

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 04:41:16 PM »

The parable of the vineyard tenants (which was read in church on a recent Sunday) points to this reality.

I don't know about being left in Egypt, but Christ is clear that the old tenants (Israel) were removed and the covenant (the vineyard—the very same vineyard, not a new one) was given to new tenants (the Gentiles).
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