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« on: August 30, 2012, 07:42:12 AM »

Enjoy misery also  the same way like happiness

SECRET OF LIFE
 Whole Life & Creation is Alternate Happiness & Misery


O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,

 The human being is reluctant to miseries and enjoys the happy situation. The human being can be compared to an ignorant child, who enjoys the sweets only and is reluctant to chillies. Hence, such a human being is ignorant. The grown up adult enjoys both sweets and chillies in the meals. Similarly, a realized soul enjoys both happy situation and miseries in the life. Therefore, it is only ignorance, which is the inability of art of enjoyment. God created this world with happiness and misery. People enjoy the cinema, which contains both pleasant scenes and tragic scenes.

Similarly, people enjoy both sweet dishes and hot dishes in the meals. People enjoy the day and night. People enjoy the hot summer and the cold winter. The whole life and creation is full of alternating happiness and misery. If a person can enjoy both happy times and miseries in the life, he is equal to God. You may say that God enjoys the creation from outside. God also enters the creation in the form of human incarnation and enjoys both pleasant times and miseries in the life span. We see this truth in the life history of Rama and Krishna. Therefore, if you always crave for happiness only and reject miseries, it is unnatural and also ignorance of a child. The knowledge of the Gita preaches that you should enjoy even a top most misery, which is the time of death.


If you enjoy both miseries and happy situations, you are in a continuous state of enjoyment. You think that continuous enjoyment comes only through continuous times of happiness in the life. It is not correct. You get bored if you are served only with sweet dishes in the meals. Boring is misery. Therefore, misery is inevitable like summer after winter and winter after summer. The Indians denote happiness through cooling. The foreigners represent happiness through warming, which is heat. Therefore, the happiness to one is misery to the other. What is the reason? The foreigner is mainly exposed to winter, which bores him. Therefore, for a foreigner, the heat is happiness. The Indian is mainly exposed to summer and therefore, cool atmosphere is happiness to him. This is a practical proof that the enjoyment is not confined to happy scene or tragic scene only. This also proves that you can enjoy both happiness and misery. Therefore, it is ignorance to ask God for removal of misery and sanction of continuous happiness. Happiness should lie in the process of enjoyment. Whether it is misery or happiness, you will find real happiness in the process of enjoyment of both.

The happiness neither lies in the sweet dish nor in the hot dish. The happiness lies in the process of eating the dish, which may be hot or sweet. If this secret of life is known, you will never pray God for removal of problems and tensions. You will enjoy the problems and tensions and hence, there is nothing to pray God for something. Your prayer to God must be due to your attraction to Him for His excellent personality. Your praise of God must be based on your love for His divine personality. But, today we find most of the people praying God for sanction of continuous sweet dishes. Therefore, the desire for something gets smashed if you know the secret of this concept. Hence, there is no meaning in wishing somebody for a happy new year because continuous happiness bores and leads to misery only. The aspiration for continuous happiness through out the year is based on foolishness and ignorance.

On the New Year, you must pray God thinking His divine personality and get attracted for His divine quality. You must at least achieve one of His basic qualities, which is enjoying both happy scenes and tragic scenes in the creation. On the Telugu New Year day, people generally take sweets and sour items mixed as offering of God (Prasadam), which shows the same concept of enjoyment of both happy and tragic movements in the life. This is the divine knowledge in nutshell present in all the divine scriptures of all religions. This is essence of the Gita preached by Lord Krishna. He enjoyed continuously in His life and even in the last situation, when He was shot dead by a hunter. This is essence to be learnt and practiced by every human being in this world. This is message of Lord Dattatreya to this entire humanity on the eve of this New Year 2012.

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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 07:46:15 AM »

Look what the cat dragged in.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 07:47:42 AM »

Look what the cat dragged in.
There are several illustrations to prove that the physical pain can be also enjoyed. In boxing, when the opponent embraces you strongly, you feel unhappy because such a situation leads to your defeat. But, when you are embraced by a beautiful girl, you feel more happiness and the degree of your happiness is proportional to the strength of the embracement!. Therefore, the physical pain in one situation is unhappy, whereas the same physical pain in another situation leads to happiness. Even when you eat the hot dish, your tongue is burning due to the vigor of chillies and your eyes are showering the tears. All these symptoms are the indication of unhappiness only.

But still you enjoy the happiness in eating the hot dish. Therefore, you cannot link the enjoyment with mere external material. Ofcourse, the external material gives rise to the feeling and the feeling may be pleasant or unpleasant depending on one factor, which is that whether the external material is interacted continuously or not. If you are interacting with any item or situation of the creation continuously, you become unhappy. Even the embracement of the beautiful girl becomes unpleasant, if such embracement continues without gap.

 If you are exposed to the heat for a long time you feel happiness in cold as in the case of the Indian. If you are exposed to cold for a long time you feel happiness in the warmness and heat as in the case of a foreigner. Hence the process of enjoyment depends on the alternating interaction with the external items or situations in this world. Hence, any continuous interaction with the same item or situation gives unhappiness, whereas the change in the interaction gives happiness. God is the Father of the souls and hence arranges the life cycles of the souls with alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes.

Even though you have done sins continuously for some long span of time and good deeds continuously in another long span of time, God does not arrange the life cycles with the continuous misery and continuous happiness proportionally in corresponding long spans of time.

God neglects this continuous span of time and arranges the life cycle in such a way so that every life cycle is fixed with alternating fruits of sins and good deeds. The re-arrangement of the good and bad fruits in alternating fashion by drawing good and bad fruits from both these span is done by God, who is omnipotent.

You may expect God to cancel all the sins due to His omnipotent nature. If it is done like that, you will not enjoy since continuity of anything leads to misery. Hence even in such case, misery is inevitable. Therefore, if you do not pray God for removing the miseries, God has already arranged the life cycles in best way to give you continuous enjoyment. You are praying God to remove the difficulties, which are the fruits of your bad deeds. The law of justice does not accept the cancellation of the fruit of any deed. Hence, due to your prayers the difficulties are postponed to later births by God along with compounded interest. You also pray God to give continuous happiness. For this God, draws the good fruits from the future births with reduced interest to the present life cycle. Due to such continuous enjoyment of good fruits, you are again bored with misery.

Hence, you are totally foolish in disturbing the already designed life cycles of God. As a result of this foolishness your future births will be full of continuous miseries. The continuity of the misery gives you unhappiness just like the continuity of happiness. Therefore, pray God always attracted by your love to His divine personality and not for disturbing the already best designed life cycles by God due to His paternal affection. Therefore, you will be continuously happy by enjoying the alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes of life and by not asking anything from God.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 07:57:29 AM »

I want to be reincarnated as dattaswami in the next life.

This is bordering on Time-cube level stuff. Keep the incoherent wall of text psuedo-philosophical BS coming, nothing but straight wisdom coming from a nutjob.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2012, 08:03:04 AM »

I want to be reincarnated as dattaswami in the next life.

This is bordering on Time-cube level stuff. Keep the incoherent wall of text psuedo-philosophical BS coming, nothing but straight wisdom coming from a nutjob.
Kindly analyse my posts..we will discuss...
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 08:04:29 AM »

So...what's your favorite hot dish. Recipes?
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 08:07:00 AM »

So...what's your favorite hot dish. Recipes?

One kind of chilly in India.Bajji is a special item of tiffen, which is prepared with the flour of pulses with internal chilly.  It is the hottest dish.  There are three types of chilies.  The chilies from Ballari region (a place in India)are mild.  The chilies from other regions are of normal intensity of burning sensation for the tongue.  The chilies from Guntur region (a place in India)are of the top hottest taste. The bajjies prepared from these three types of chilies represent misery of mild, normal and high intensities.  Some people weep even for mild difficulties.  Some people weep for difficulties of average intensity.  All the people weep for the top most difficulty, which is the time of death while leaving this gross body cutting the bonds with every thing and every body.  Thus, death can be compared to the bajji of Guntur chilly. 

Gita says that if one remains in bliss even in the state of the death, such person is in the permanent state of God (Esha Brahmi Sthitih….Gita). Lord Krishna was with smile, narrating the future of this world in the coming Kali age to the sage Narada in the last stage of life, while the leg was bleeding!  Jesus did not fear or weep even on the cross and He was preaching about God even in that last state by assuring salvation to another neighbor who was also crucified and surrendered to Him.  Rama jumped into the river of Sarayu with the smiling face.

Hanuman tore His chest with His own nails without any trace of sorrow on the face.  Therefore, if you can enjoy the bajji of Guntur chilly also (death), you are sure to have continuous enjoyment. I belong to the region of Guntur! While eating the hot dish, you will respire much, tears will be flowing from your eyes and your tongue will be vibrating.  All these are external symptoms of misery and the internal enjoyment is not indicated by these external symptoms.  Such equal enjoyment of good and bad results is called as Yoga (Samatvam Yoga…Gita), which means the attainment of the possible state of God.  Without attaining this yoga, there is no meaning if an Advaita philosopher says that he is God stating that his soul and God are the same pure awareness. All the other meanings attributed to Yoga like physical and mental exercises are misinterpretations of the word Yoga.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2012, 08:07:51 AM »

Give us your opinions on sex, I'd like to hear it.

Oh and the orgasm too.
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2012, 08:20:21 AM »

Give us your opinions on sex, I'd like to hear it.

Oh and the orgasm too.
The gross body is inert and is like a cloth of the soul. Sex is the momentary happiness that is experienced by the physical touch of the two inert gross bodies. People use the word ‘love’ for sex. Love is the quality of subtle body (the inner item), which is made of qualities. Sex is the physical action of the gross body, like hunger, thirst etc., which is a biological function. Sex (kama) is related to body and love (Prema) is related to mind.

Body and mind are mutually linked. Both sex and love are created by God for the divine work of reproduction of souls (dharma) which is the essential basis of His divine drama. All this is the issue between two souls only. After death, both sex and love disappear because even the recognition of the other soul does not exist any more. The love towards God is called as Bhakti, which is eternal, because the bond with God is eternal. Love is not eternal as it is limited to this birth only.
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2012, 08:33:44 AM »

Aww I'm disappointed you didn't say something like having an orgasm is the key to enlightment on the next stage in dharma or whatever.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2012, 08:41:31 AM »

Aww I'm disappointed you didn't say something like having an orgasm is the key to enlightment on the next stage in dharma or whatever.
I think he is a hindu, not a trantric buddhist.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2012, 08:44:07 AM »

Pasadi and dattaswami return within a day of each other... the end is nigh?
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2012, 11:04:36 AM »

Scientists are investigating the cause for mass of the fundamental particle of matter. This is only the research pertaining to the conversion of energy into matter. The word Universe used by scientists is the materialized phase. Before the production of such Universe, the cosmic energy exists. Therefore, it is related only to the materialization of the particles of matter from the energy. The word Universe in the spiritual knowledge means the very cosmic energy itself associated with the subsequent materialized part of the Universe. In fact, even the space is the first subtle form of energy.

Therefore, the word Universe in philosophy means the space or energy and the subsequent materialized energy. In philosophy, the production of Universe means the generation of space or energy. This requires the enquiry about the cause of space or energy and the mechanism of process of generation of space or energy from that cause. Here, in science, the cause is space or energy and the process of generation of matter from the space or energy is the generation of Universe. Our Universe means space or energy and matter. The Universe referred by scientists in this research is only matter. The research of scientists does not touch the cause of space or energy. We are not much interested in this research because it does not touch the cause of the first item of the Universe, which is space or energy. The present research deals only with the generation of the second item, which is matter.

 Discovery is Fundamental Particle of Matter but not God Particle

The scientists think that the energy itself is the root cause or God. The scientists stop at the imaginable cause only. They do not agree with the existence of the unimaginable cause, which is the generator of space or energy. The generator of anything should be beyond its boundary. If you are in a cloud of gas and if you travel to the boundary of the cloud, you will find the generator of that cloud of gas. Similarly, if you travel up to the boundary of the Universe, you will certainly find the cause or generator of this Universe. The boundary of the Universe is infinite, which is unimaginable. The unimaginable boundary of the Universe suggests that the generator of the Universe must be also unimaginable. The characteristic property of the space is volume, which is the product of length, width and height. These three are the spatial dimensions. Space means the spatial dimensions only. The generator of the space must not have space in it. If space exists in the generator, the pre-existence of space is to be accepted before the generation of space itself. This is impossible. Hence, the generator of space should not have any space or spatial dimensions in it. It means the cause of space is beyond space or spatial dimensions. ‘Beyond space’ means that the cause exists after the boundary of space. Our intelligence can imagine only anything which has spatial dimensions. Our intelligence can never imagine anything, which is beyond space and which does not have spatial dimensions. This experience proves that the generator of space is beyond our imagination. When the cause is unimaginable, the process of generation of imaginable space or energy from the unimaginable cause must be also unimaginable. In this world, the process of an imaginable item from another imaginable cause can be imaginable and hence, can be explained.

The cause (God) and the process of generation of this Universe are unimaginable and only the product (Universe) is imaginable.

The big bang theory is an imaginable process because it deals with the process of generation of imaginable matter from the imaginable energy. But, the process of generation of imaginable energy from the unimaginable God is unimaginable unlike the big bang theory. The logic, which I have exposed here, is purely scientific and cannot be denied by anyone. Therefore, the God-particle must be in God only. It means that the God-particle must be also unimaginable. This name given to the fundamental particle of the matter as God-particle is absolutely wrong. It can be called as the first or fundamental particle of matter, which is the cause of the materialized Universe.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2012, 11:07:31 AM »

Enjoy Unhappy Scene Immediately When it Comes

O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,

Several devotees are posing a problem on the concept of equally enjoying the happy and unhappy scenes in the life like the sweet and hot dishes in the meals or like the happy and unhappy scenes in a cinema. The enjoyment of the scenes in the cinema may be different from the enjoyment of the sweet and hot dishes in the meals. In the cinema, the happy and unhappy scenes roll alternatively, but, those are related to the story of somebody else. In the case of meals, you are directly eating the sweet and hot dishes. The enjoyment of sweet and hot dishes can be the exact simile to the enjoyment of happy and unhappy scenes in one’s own life. The reason is that in both these cases, the enjoyer is directly involved. In the case of cinema, the enjoyer is not directly involved because the scenes are related to somebody else in the story.

Therefore, as you have grown, you have become capable of enjoying sweet and hot dishes in the meals. In the childhood, which is the beginning stage of the life, you might have felt difficulty in enjoying the hot dishes and you enjoyed the sweet dishes only. The elders start giving hot dishes to the child in the childhood itself so that the child will not be bored by sweets in course of time if only sweets are continued. In the case of continuing the sweets, the child will never like any sweet in its life even after becoming adult. In course of time, you have started tasting the hot dishes introduced by elders with great reluctance and inconvenience. But, as time proceeded, you have overcome the reluctance and inconvenience in tasting the hot dishes. After sometime, you have developed the taste for hot dishes also and slowly you have started enjoying the hot dishes like the sweets.


The concept in our issue arises from this simile itself. The concept is that you may develop reluctance and inconvenience to the unhappy scenes in the beginning, but, in course of time, this reluctance turned into liking and the inconvenience turned into attraction. Not only the hot dishes, any worst material like the sour tobacco, sour wine etc., also develop reluctance and inconvenience in the beginning. But, after sometime, people become addicted to these materials to such extent that they cannot live without tasting these materials! Therefore, coming to the actual concept, you may have reluctance and inconvenience to the unhappy scenes in the beginning for sometime as you had the same to hot dishes in your childhood. But, after sometime, you will enjoy the unhappy scenes also in the life. The continuous happy scenes will certainly bore you and lead to permanent unhappiness.

If you eat the sweets continuously for sometime, you will never taste the sweet again in your life time! Without tasting anything, you will get bored and such state itself is the state of unhappiness. Hence, the unhappiness is inevitable. Instead of developing reluctance to the inevitable situations, it is better to enjoy the inevitable situation. By avoiding the unhappy scene always, you cannot get rid of it since continuous happiness also results in unhappiness only. Since the unhappiness is inevitable, better to enjoy it so that you can maintain the state of continuous happiness in the life. This continuous happiness is called as bliss, which is the divine state of God. In fact, God is continuously enjoying the unhappy and happy scenes by involving Himself directly by coming to this world as human incarnations continuously.
The Gita says that you can achieve anything by practice (Abhyasena tu…). This practice can be implemented in the beginning stage of facing the unhappy scenes so that in course of time, you will start enjoying the unhappy scenes also. Anyway, you have to start tasting the unhappy scene one day or other. In such case, why to postpone? If you face the unhappy scene now itself, start facing it and try to enjoy it, instead of trying to avoid it by praying God.

 Realized souls never pray God to avoid the problems and difficulties in the life. The unhappy scene acts as interval between two happy scenes. An unhappy scene is like tasting the sour pickle between two sweets. The sour pickle tasted in the interval gives you the real taste of the sweet once again. If you taste the second sweet after the first sweet, the second sweet cannot be enjoyed. This is the reason for the elder people eating the sweet and hot items alternatively in the meals. After facing some unhappy scenes in your lifetime, you will certainly develop the taste of enjoying the unhappy scenes so that you will enjoy both the sweet and hot scenes in the life alternatively without any inconvenience and reluctance.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2012, 11:11:39 AM »

Weren't you supposed to post these things in this thread? Maybe they'll unlock it for you...
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2012, 11:12:20 AM »

What is the secret of Soylent Green?
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2012, 11:28:48 AM »

What is the secret of Soylent Green?
Meaning? i did not follow you..
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2012, 11:29:47 AM »

I mean, what's the secret ingredient? Why does it taste so good?
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2012, 11:31:46 AM »

I mean, what's the secret ingredient? Why does it taste so good?

MSG and duck fat.  Wink
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2012, 11:32:24 AM »

Why did Richard Kelly cut this from Donnie Darko?
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2012, 11:36:27 AM »

Instrumental love and ultimate love on God
All the worldly bonds are thus, selfish only




God is always associated with bliss. Everybody approaches God to get that bliss just like you approach the fire to get the heat. You love God only to get happiness, benefits and protection from God. Such love is instrumental love and not the ultimate love. Instrumental love means that you love somebody or something because that person or that thing is the instrument to give you happiness. This is stated by the sage Yajnyavalkya in Bruhadaaranyakopanishat. He says that anybody loves anything or anybody to fulfill his desire for happiness from that person or that thing (Atmanah kamaya sarvam priyam bhavati…).

One loves his wife because she gives him happiness. One loves his son because he serves him in the old age. One loves money because it gives all sorts of comforts in the life. If the wife or son or money gives problems and misery, one throws away these. From the childhood, the human being is habituated to love anything or anybody for the sake of its happiness only. The child loves its mother because she gives milk when it is hungry. All the worldly bonds are thus, selfish only. Nobody loves anybody for the sake of that person. Therefore, the human being is trained from the childhood with such selfish love only.
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Devotion with selfishness should be avoided

Therefore, when the human being loves God, naturally such selfish love only flows towards God. The human being thinks that its devotion to God is very pure and of very high level. No doubt, it is of very high level, but the entire love is impure only. The magnitude of anything with minus sign is to be condemned more and more only as its value becomes more and more. You should not appreciate the intensity of the devotion of a demon because such intensity of devotion is directly proportional to the intensity of his selfishness only.

In this aspect, there is no difference between a human being and demon. This concept of the devotion is not known to the human being and hence, it thinks that it is the greatest devotee. In fact, it is not even one percent devotee because its devotion is with negative sign. This point should be clarified to the devotee. Therefore, God gives difficulties and miseries to the devotee. In such case, the devotion vanishes away. Then the devotee will realize that his devotion is only instrumental but not ultimate. The devotee should not try to increase his devotion because the devotion is in negative sign.
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2012, 11:38:57 AM »

The purpose of God giving misery to the devotee

Therefore, the first step is to transform the devotion from negative sign to positive sign. The positive sign is to love God without aspiring any benefit or happiness in return. For this purpose, God gives misery to the devotee. By this, one should not misunderstand that God is not associated with bliss and is associated with misery only. The context here is to preach the devotee to purify his devotion. This should not be mixed up with the other context that God is always associated with bliss. The very fact that God is associated with bliss spoils the devotees to get attracted for getting bliss from God. The root meaning of the word Durga is that the God is to be gained through misery (Duhkhena gamyate iti Durga). The meaning of this word contains all the above analysis.
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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2012, 11:40:51 AM »

I love how the post starts with "therefore"  Cheesy
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Devotion with selfishness should be avoided

Therefore, when the human being loves God, naturally such selfish love only flows towards God. The human being thinks that its devotion to God is very pure and of very high level. No doubt, it is of very high level, but the entire love is impure only. The magnitude of anything with minus sign is to be condemned more and more only as its value becomes more and more. You should not appreciate the intensity of the devotion of a demon because such intensity of devotion is directly proportional to the intensity of his selfishness only.

In this aspect, there is no difference between a human being and demon. This concept of the devotion is not known to the human being and hence, it thinks that it is the greatest devotee. In fact, it is not even one percent devotee because its devotion is with negative sign. This point should be clarified to the devotee. Therefore, God gives difficulties and miseries to the devotee. In such case, the devotion vanishes away. Then the devotee will realize that his devotion is only instrumental but not ultimate. The devotee should not try to increase his devotion because the devotion is in negative sign.


I am unclear, are you "His Holiness Shri Datta Swami"?

I get my Dattaswamis confused.

If anyone is interested in a longer discussion on the above by "His Holiness", you can read it here:

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Selfish Love is the Essence in Worldly Bonds

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Shri Anil Antony asked “why the lives of devotees are always full of difficulties and miseries? Does this mean that God is always associated with misery and not bliss"?

Swami replied: God is always associated with bliss. Everybody approaches God to get that bliss just like you approach the fire to get the heat. You love God only to get happiness, benefits and protection from God. Such love is instrumental love and not the ultimate love.

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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2012, 11:44:45 AM »

I love how the post starts with "therefore"  Cheesy

Google and you will find the context.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2012, 11:48:50 AM »

The purpose of God giving misery to the devotee

Therefore, the first step is to transform the devotion from negative sign to positive sign. The positive sign is to love God without aspiring any benefit or happiness in return. For this purpose, God gives misery to the devotee. By this, one should not misunderstand that God is not associated with bliss and is associated with misery only. The context here is to preach the devotee to purify his devotion. This should not be mixed up with the other context that God is always associated with bliss. The very fact that God is associated with bliss spoils the devotees to get attracted for getting bliss from God. The root meaning of the word Durga is that the God is to be gained through misery (Duhkhena gamyate iti Durga). The meaning of this word contains all the above analysis.

dattaswami, you're starting to flood our forum again with new threads. Please post your insights into one and only one thread as we told you to do the last time you were here. This thread that I started as a way to consolidate your latest new threads is a a great place to start.
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2012, 11:58:42 AM »

The purpose of God giving misery to the devotee

Therefore, the first step is to transform the devotion from negative sign to positive sign. The positive sign is to love God without aspiring any benefit or happiness in return. For this purpose, God gives misery to the devotee. By this, one should not misunderstand that God is not associated with bliss and is associated with misery only. The context here is to preach the devotee to purify his devotion. This should not be mixed up with the other context that God is always associated with bliss. The very fact that God is associated with bliss spoils the devotees to get attracted for getting bliss from God. The root meaning of the word Durga is that the God is to be gained through misery (Duhkhena gamyate iti Durga). The meaning of this word contains all the above analysis.

dattaswami, you're starting to flood our forum again with new threads. Please post your insights into one and only one thread as we told you to do the last time you were here. This thread that I started as a way to consolidate your latest new threads is a a great place to start.

Hi, kindly comment on the content of my posts...
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2012, 12:01:53 PM »

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2012, 12:08:22 PM »

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Both chicken and egg are imaginable items and are part of creation only. But God is not like that. God is imaginable and beyond creation.
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2012, 12:09:26 PM »

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Both chicken and egg are imaginable items and are part of creation only. But God is not like that. God is imaginable and beyond creation.

So which, chicken or egg, came first?
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2012, 12:11:38 PM »

The purpose of God giving misery to the devotee

Therefore, the first step is to transform the devotion from negative sign to positive sign. The positive sign is to love God without aspiring any benefit or happiness in return. For this purpose, God gives misery to the devotee. By this, one should not misunderstand that God is not associated with bliss and is associated with misery only. The context here is to preach the devotee to purify his devotion. This should not be mixed up with the other context that God is always associated with bliss. The very fact that God is associated with bliss spoils the devotees to get attracted for getting bliss from God. The root meaning of the word Durga is that the God is to be gained through misery (Duhkhena gamyate iti Durga). The meaning of this word contains all the above analysis.

dattaswami, you're starting to flood our forum again with new threads. Please post your insights into one and only one thread as we told you to do the last time you were here. This thread that I started as a way to consolidate your latest new threads is a a great place to start.

Hi, kindly comment on the content of my posts...
Let me also remind you, lest you've forgotten, that when I or another moderator posts in green like this, I am giving a moderatorial directive with which I expect your compliance without public argument or questions.
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2012, 03:41:41 AM »

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Both chicken and egg are imaginable items and are part of creation only. But God is not like that. God is imaginable and beyond creation.

So which, chicken or egg, came first?

Creation is created by God. For God it is immaterial whether, chicken or egg, since all are creation and energy is the first created item. From energy all other forms are created thus both chicken and egg are created simultaneously. But GOd is unimaginable, He is beyond creation and such logic.
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2012, 03:42:17 AM »

The purpose of God giving misery to the devotee

Therefore, the first step is to transform the devotion from negative sign to positive sign. The positive sign is to love God without aspiring any benefit or happiness in return. For this purpose, God gives misery to the devotee. By this, one should not misunderstand that God is not associated with bliss and is associated with misery only. The context here is to preach the devotee to purify his devotion. This should not be mixed up with the other context that God is always associated with bliss. The very fact that God is associated with bliss spoils the devotees to get attracted for getting bliss from God. The root meaning of the word Durga is that the God is to be gained through misery (Duhkhena gamyate iti Durga). The meaning of this word contains all the above analysis.


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dattaswami, you're starting to flood our forum again with new threads. Please post your insights into one and only one thread as we told you to do the last time you were here. This thread that I started as a way to consolidate your latest new threads is a a great place to start.

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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2012, 04:02:01 AM »

How to bring the unity in the religions, which is the basis for world peace?

The quarrel between the religions comes due to the fixed notion that the God found by a religion is the absolute truth and hence, the entire humanity should accept that [God] so that, that religion alone must exist. No religion has found the absolute original form of God because it is beyond the imagination of any human being. The unimaginable God can charge any imaginable medium and in such case, such medium gets identified with the God. Every religion found by a specific human being believes that a specific imaginable medium is God. Up to this point, the religion is correct because, such imaginable medium might have been charged and is identified with God. In this way, Krishna is God, Jesus is God, Mohammed is God, Buddha is God and so on. Sometimes a religion may select a visible medium as God even if it is not charged by God. One religion says that fire is God. Another religion says that the cosmic energy, which is all pervading, is God. Based on the merits of the media, such medium can also be treated as God because any visible medium can be treated as the representative model for God in the light of the specific merit of the medium. The fire burns everything as God burns all types of the ignorance. God is all pervading like the cosmic energy. Based on these merits, fire and cosmic energy can be treated as God. You must not forget that these representing media are not actually the God due to their defects.

Fire cannot burn water and cosmic energy is inert. In any case, the imaginable item can never be the actual unimaginable God.
The metallic wire is charged by current. This does not mean that the metallic wire itself is current. The national flag, which is a stick and a piece of colored cloth, can be a representative model of the nation. Obviously, the flag is the not the nation. The whole problem comes when the followers of the religions feel that the selected imaginable item itself is God and that alone is God. Every metallic wire charged by current can be treated as current. You cannot say that a specific wire alone should be treated as current and other electrified wires should not be treated as current. Even if you don’t differentiate the current and wire, it does not matter much. It may be correct also due to the inseparable current from the electrified wire. But, you should say that every electrified wire is current. Similarly, the representative model can be also believed as God directly for the development of faith and devotion on God. But, every representative model should be treated as God in similar way. You accept the process of identification in one place and reject the same process of identification in another place. This is due to lack of development of analytical faculty in the human being. This is the defensive way of bringing unity in the religions.
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2012, 05:25:46 AM »

dattaswami, you were also instructed the last time you were here to post a link to your source in each and every one of your posts if you are copying and pasting from somewhere else, even if the material you're copying and pasting is stuff you created for your own blog page. Since you've been gone for so long, I'm posting this merely as a reminder, but  if you keep copying and pasting text here without posting a link to your sources, your posting privileges on OC.net will be restricted severely. This forum does NOT exist to be your personal blog.

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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2012, 05:33:15 AM »

dattaswami, you were also instructed the last time you were here to post a link to your source in each and every one of your posts if you are copying and pasting from somewhere else, even if the material you're copying and pasting is stuff you created for your own blog page. Since you've been gone for so long, I'm posting this merely as a reminder, but  if you keep copying and pasting text here without posting a link to your sources, your posting privileges on OC.net will be restricted severely. This forum does NOT exist to be your personal blog.

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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2012, 08:33:50 AM »

I believe that what dattaswami is doing is against the following general policy. Therefore, I am locking this topic indefinitely. Thanks, Carl Kraeff, Moderator

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