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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 01:10:05 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Not sure about the others. But in Islam you will endure very grotesque physical torments for eternity. There is even one account in the Quran, AFAIK, where God taunts the hell-bounded Christians for believing in the Trinity. |
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 01:11:53 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Not sure about the others. But in Islam you will endure very grotesque physical torments for eternity. There is even one account in the Quran, AFAIK, where God taunts the hell-bounded Christians for believing in the Trinity. Whoa seriously? Can you quote specific verses from the Quran? |
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“Without music, life would be a mistake.”
“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”
"Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are."
"We see at once that the words absolute, divine, eternal, and so on do not express what is implied in them.
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Not sure about the others. But in Islam you will endure very grotesque physical torments for eternity. There is even one account in the Quran, AFAIK, where God taunts the hell-bounded Christians for believing in the Trinity. Whoa seriously? Can you quote specific verses from the Quran? Lots of the Quran is on hell. The Hadith reports go into much more detail on that. |
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 01:16:11 AM » |
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In Buddhism and Hinduism you'd just be reincarnated. In Judaism you'd go to Heaven as it's more or less universalist.
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“Without music, life would be a mistake.”
“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”
"Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are."
"We see at once that the words absolute, divine, eternal, and so on do not express what is implied in them.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 01:28:35 AM » |
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In Odinism you could get into the Golden Hall if you kill a bunch of b****es bravely. Or perhaps you'd get chosen by Freyja to 'keep her company'. Either way, if this weren't a false heathen religion I could definitely get behind the Norse afterlife.
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It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 02:01:29 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Buddhism: Wheel of tortures for 20,000 years in Naraka Islam: Probably some sort of People of the Book pardon. Hinduism: Reborn as a barnacle, because Arjuna is jealous of me and has connections. Greek Mythology: Prometheus's punishment. Folk Taoism: Bagua furnace until obliterated. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 02:06:07 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Islam: Probably some sort of People of the Book pardon. The Quran disagrees with this assessment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjytT49ZyXY |
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2012, 02:25:29 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Islam: Probably some sort of People of the Book pardon. The Quran disagrees with this assessment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjytT49ZyXYThe Quran disagrees with the concept of the People of the Book? |
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2012, 03:22:46 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Islam: Probably some sort of People of the Book pardon. The Quran disagrees with this assessment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjytT49ZyXYThat's a very... "physical" hell. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2012, 03:25:24 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Islam: Probably some sort of People of the Book pardon. The Quran disagrees with this assessment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjytT49ZyXYThat's a very... "physical" hell. Quotes went too fast for me to read, and I wasn't pausing it every 2 seconds... (though Christian hell is physical as well  ) |
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(though Christian hell is physical as well ) Now you've had it all wrong. You're supposed to point out how awfully physical Western notions of Hell are and then offer a catchy quote from the River of Fire. |
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2012, 03:44:26 AM » |
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In Judaism there is no Heaven or Hell. You just obey God and in return enjoy a peaceful life on Earth. When you die you go to the place of the dead like everyone else and that is it. Your life on Earth is really the only thing that your decisions affect. In Islam, you can go to Hell, but Hell is not considered eternal. In the end it is believed that everyone will be united to Allah. In Hinduism, you would just keep getting reincarnated and I do not know what comes after that. In Buddhism you will keep being reincarnated until you achieve enlightenment and enter into Nirvana. As to what Nirvana exactly is, no one really knows. Buddhism is a pretty obscure, confusing religion that is very mysterious about these types of things.
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2012, 03:54:36 AM » |
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In Judaism there is no Heaven or Hell.
While there is disagreement whether there is a hell, there clearly is a heaven. Judaism teaches "All Israel has a share in the World to Come". The World to Come, or Olam Haba in Hebrew, clearly is a concept of heaven. It is for all Jews, as well as righteous non-Jews. |
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In Judaism there is no Heaven or Hell.
While there is disagreement whether there is a hell, there clearly is a heaven. Judaism teaches "All Israel has a share in the World to Come". The World to Come, or Olam Haba in Hebrew, clearly is a concept of heaven. It is for all Jews, as well as righteous non-Jews. That 'world to come' is the Christian state of Heaven that Jesus brought along. But since Jews deny Jesus, they do not believe that this 'world to come' has arrived yet, therefore, they are still subject to Sheol, or 'the place of the dead' until this 'world to come' comes. |
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The Jews believe that in the end of the days, there will be a World to Come. It is not related to the Jewish concept of the Messiah, whose actin circle will be this world. Also, the Jews believe that each of them has his place in the World to Come, so the don't see a need for a Redeemer, as we have in Christ.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2012, 07:34:41 AM » |
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In Odinism you could get into the Golden Hall if you kill a bunch of b****es bravely. Or perhaps you'd get chosen by Freyja to 'keep her company'. Either way, if this weren't a false heathen religion I could definitely get behind the Norse afterlife.
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2012, 09:03:35 AM » |
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But reincarnated into what? A frog?
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2012, 09:05:20 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Not sure about the others. But in Islam you will endure very grotesque physical torments for eternity. There is even one account in the Quran, AFAIK, where God taunts the hell-bounded Christians for believing in the Trinity. My favorite part is where Allah says he will burn the skin off of the people in hell with scalding hot water. But when that's over, he will give each person new skin and do it all over again... and again. OUCH. |
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"Our mind is pure and simple, so that when it is stripped of every alien thought, it enters the pure, simple, Divine light and becomes quite encompassed and hidden therein, and can no more meet there anything but the light in which it is." -- St Simeon the New Theologian
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2012, 09:12:10 AM » |
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In Buddhism you will keep being reincarnated until you achieve enlightenment and enter into Nirvana. As to what Nirvana exactly is, no one really knows. Buddhism is a pretty obscure, confusing religion that is very mysterious about these types of things.
http://www.vipassana.com/resources/nutshell_nibbana.phpThe Pali word Nibbana is formed of Ni and Vana. Ni is a negative particle and Vana means lusting or craving. "It is called Nibbana, in that it is a departure from the craving which is called Vana, lusting." Literally, Nibbana means non-attachment.
It may also be defined as the extinction of lust, hatred and ignorance, "The whole world is in flames," says the Buddha. "By what fire is it kindled? By the fire of lust, hatred and ignorance, by the fire of birth, old age, death, pain, lamentation, sorrow, grief and despair it is kindled."
It should not be understood that Nibbana is a state of nothingness or annihilation owing to the fact that we cannot perceive it with our worldly knowledge. One cannot say that there exists no light just because the blind man does not see it. In that well known story, too, the fish arguing with his friend, the turtle, triumphantly concluded that there exists no land.
Nibbana of the Buddhists is neither a mere nothingness nor a state of annihilation, but what it is no words can adequately express. Nibbana is a Dhamma which is "unborn, unoriginated, uncreated and unformed." Hence, it is eternal (Dhuva), desirable (Subha), and happy (Sukha). |
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2012, 10:19:22 AM » |
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Not sure about the others. But in Islam you will endure very grotesque physical torments for eternity. There is even one account in the Quran, AFAIK, where God taunts the hell-bounded Christians for believing in the Trinity. My favorite part is where Allah says he will burn the skin off of the people in hell with scalding hot water. But when that's over, he will give each person new skin and do it all over again... and again. OUCH. That's a very physical hell Is there a... "spiritual" hell/punishment in Islam ? Like, deprived of God's love, etc ? |
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“Without music, life would be a mistake.”
“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”
"Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are."
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i always thought Native American spirituality was like Abrahamic faiths..on eGreat Spirit. I'm not sure about the Happy Hunting ground though. I'd rather go to a Happy Dog Park and spend eternity with a couple of schnauzers.
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But reincarnated into what? A frog?
That would depend on how skillfully you use this human life. I'll stop this now before I sin. Obligatory Asteriktos icon: |
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“Without music, life would be a mistake.”
“The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.”
"Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are."
"We see at once that the words absolute, divine, eternal, and so on do not express what is implied in them.
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2012, 11:35:31 AM » |
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That's a very physical hell Is there a... "spiritual" hell/punishment in Islam ? Like, deprived of God's love, etc ? Is there any particular reason that you think the "deprived of God's love" thing is more spiritual and less physical? Faith ? |
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Faith is something spiritual, no ? I mean, God's love comes by faith too (but not only, I mean, you need to have faith to "feel" God's love) ? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (I'm still learning )
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Before anyone says "But only Orthodoxy is true, who cares what they believe about you after death", I just think this would be a little interesting to me.
So being an Orthodox Christian, how well does my afterlife forecast look in other religions? Like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.? Because I don't see any other religion "dooming people to Hell" like Christianity. (I know that's a grotesque observation but for the sake of discussion...)
Islam: Probably some sort of People of the Book pardon. The Quran disagrees with this assessment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjytT49ZyXYThe Qur'an agrees and disagrees with nothing. It is a book; it has no mind. It can merely state; it is up to human beings to interpret the Qur'an and many a Muslim say quite different things about the afterlife. |
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