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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2012, 12:27:50 PM »
They're gonna legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco. Enjoy it while you can boys. ;)

It's healthier than cigarette tobacco.  It is natural.  If we are going to make recreational medication like Viagra legal, why not something recreational that is god-created and natural?

My friend, "natural" does not mean or equal "healthy".  The mushrooms known as Destroying Angel and Death Cap are natural and God-created.  Getting high off of marijuana is not a good idea.  It's most certainly antithetical for a Christian.

More so than an 80 yr old having sex?

If he's married it's sanctioned.  Recall Abraham and Hagar.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #91 on: August 24, 2012, 12:28:42 PM »
More so than an 80 yr old having sex?

No, that is simply an abomination. 80 y.o. is supposed to be constantly in church, wrapped in clothes to the - I hesitate to say - teeth. Unless it'll be me. But I'm special and will never grow old.

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #92 on: August 24, 2012, 01:38:22 PM »
More so than an 80 yr old having sex?

No, that is simply an abomination. 80 y.o. is supposed to be constantly in church, wrapped in clothes to the - I hesitate to say - teeth. Unless it'll be me. But I'm special and will never grow old.

I think that once a person hit's 35 they should be in a monastery (30 for a woman).  Unless, of course, they rejuvenate by smoking either tobacco or marijuana. 
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #93 on: August 24, 2012, 01:43:25 PM »
I think that once a person hit's 35 they should be in a monastery (30 for a woman).  Unless, of course, they rejuvenate by smoking either tobacco or marijuana. 

I second that notion.

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #94 on: August 24, 2012, 02:58:19 PM »
I started smoking when I was 15/16 and didn't quit until I was 22 and entering seriously into the cathecumanate. It was a pack a day thing. It's a nasty expensive habit.

I also think you're wanting to smoke for the wrong reasons. Flee from the passions and embrace denial of self. You aren't James Dean or Tyler Durden. You don't need to show people you are "cool" or "wise" by smoking. These days, you certainly will do the opposite.

Actually among people his age, he probably would appear cool for smoking...anyone over thirty though will almost certainly hold him in great contempt.

Anyways, it's not really that expensive if you took three or more days to smoke a pack.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #95 on: August 24, 2012, 02:58:19 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Hope this helped, James. I dont think anyone would encourage you to smoke cigarettes. If you ask someone who smokes regularly/is addicted, im almost positive they would say dont start.


I smoked for a decade and enjoyed every single moment and every single cigarette, and I still have quite fond memories of smoking.  That being said, I haven't smoke a cigarette in five years and by the Grace of God I couldn't be happier or more blessed not to be a smoker.  Smoking is a powerful addiction, period.  I quit shortly after several of my relatives concurrently died from tobacco related cancers, and sealed the deal when taking care of my dying grandfather in the ICU for several weeks as he also died of tobacco related cancers.  In the ICU, people die every single day without pause, it is like being temporarily in the carnage and pain of a warzone . :(

Simply put, smoking is great, but it is dangerous.  Some people can smoke for decades and nothing happens, others smoke a little bit and drop dead of debilitating cancers.  It is like the opposite of Pascal's Wager, why take such a dangerous gamble, and further one which you have no control of?

For the smokers out there, this is not some kind of moral judgement against you, or some kind of condemnation.  You are not bad people for smoking, and I don't have any regrets to the years I smoked.  However, there comes a time to quit all habits for the sake of God and especially by His Grace.  After all, universally in Orthodox I understand tobacco smoking to be prohibited during Fasting seasons ;)

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Have you considered quitting the habit of paying an electric bill?  Or the habit of eating?  Or the habit of drinking water?  Or the habit of utilizing a gas-powered vehicle?
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #96 on: August 24, 2012, 02:58:19 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

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Quote from: orthonorm on Today at 03:00:41 PM


In North America, your risk for lung cancer as a non-smoker is about 1%.

For smokers, about 3%.
So lets put that into plain English, smokers are THREE TIMES more likely to get lung cancer than non-smokers right?


"Its simple Bundynomics.." ;)

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"Three times more likely," doesn't mean a thing.  I mean, people who leave their homes are probably 1,000,000 more times likely to get struck by a bus...that doesn't mean being struck by a bus is at all likely just because you leave your home.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #97 on: August 24, 2012, 02:58:19 PM »
James,

 Speaking of cigars- I like the smell of them but others don't.  For some, it triggers allergies.  If you're gonna smoke a cigar, have the courtesy of enjoying it in a humidor or where folks don't mind.  Same goes for pipes.

 Speaking of cigarettes- Where do I start?  I believe that smoking cigarettes is antithetical for Christians.  First, you're wasting money and that's not being a good steward.  Second, most cigarettes contain additives to make them addictive.  Ask any smoker and they'll tell you just how difficult quiting is.  It took me about a year to fully quit and it was hell.  Is this how you want to live your life?  Third, cigarette smoke permeates everything: your breath, your clothes, your hair.  It yellows your teeth.  There isn't one socially redeeming value with smoking cigarettes.  It's disgusting.  Most girls and women find it disgusting.  If you do become addicted, think of all the money you'll waste.  You're literally burning up your money.  Instead, with the money you'll waste on cigarettes, you'll do yourself a major favor by investing that money in an IRA.  Bottom line, James- don't start.  Don't take the chance.  

Do you pay for your internet connection?  Many would call that a waste of money.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #98 on: August 24, 2012, 03:08:07 PM »
More so than an 80 yr old having sex?

No, that is simply an abomination. 80 y.o. is supposed to be constantly in church, wrapped in clothes to the - I hesitate to say - teeth. Unless it'll be me. But I'm special and will never grow old.

And, as reflected by your chosen screen name (Pan) remain active to the end, eh?

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #99 on: August 24, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »
Mr. Rottnek, what's your point?
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #100 on: August 24, 2012, 03:19:50 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Quote
Quote from: orthonorm on Today at 03:00:41 PM


In North America, your risk for lung cancer as a non-smoker is about 1%.

For smokers, about 3%.
So lets put that into plain English, smokers are THREE TIMES more likely to get lung cancer than non-smokers right?


"Its simple Bundynomics.." ;)

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"Three times more likely," doesn't mean a thing.  I mean, people who leave their homes are probably 1,000,000 more times likely to get struck by a bus...that doesn't mean being struck by a bus is at all likely just because you leave your home.

Indeed.  I was going to say the same thing yesterday but couldn't find a way to not be coldly mechanical nor sardonic about it.  Three times is kind of misleading when you are comparing 1% to 3%.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #101 on: August 24, 2012, 03:20:44 PM »
Mr. Rottnek, what's your point?

It's not apparent? 
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« Reply #102 on: August 24, 2012, 03:23:15 PM »
And, as reflected by your chosen screen name (Pan) remain active to the end, eh?

That's because/why I'm special ;).

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« Reply #103 on: August 24, 2012, 05:24:48 PM »
Mr. Rottnek, what's your point?

It's not apparent? 
It's apparent that he has no point.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #104 on: August 24, 2012, 05:49:43 PM »
Mr. Rottnek, what's your point?

It's not apparent? 
It's apparent that he has no point.

He does, too.  Right on the top of his head.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #105 on: August 24, 2012, 05:55:14 PM »
I like my pipe.  I usually smoke a blend of cheap burley and cavendish.  I am working on making smoke rings.
PA?

PA?

Prince Albert.

Kerdy, let me update your knowledges.

Nowadays if you talk about smoking PA or Prince Albert some of the kids are going to get quite a different impression . . .

Initially I did get quite a different impression...but then I figured it out.

Not PA, just the cheap stuff that comes in a bag at Walgreens.  I buy one of cavendish and one of burley and mix them in old Peterson's tins that are lying about.  The cavendish burns nicely and the burley helps the flavour.  I have also used the burning quality of the cavendish to mix in with Captain Black from time to time as well.

My friend, we need to talk off forum about real pipe tobacco. Just the thought of all the propylene glycol in that Capt Black makes me turn green.  :D

I try not to be too much of a snob, but I'm primarily a Samuel Gawith man myself (Mmm, almost time to open up the Squadron Leader and Commonwealth tins for autumn). Murray's (and even some later Orlik) produced Dunhills were quite nice as well.
Squadron Leader..London Mixture, both nice indeed.  I'm also a fan of Ashtons Artisan Blend, but some find it irritated their throat because of the Perique.

Never had any Squadron Leader - not available locally. But I very much like Ashton's Artisans Blend and am right now puffing some Dunhill London Mixture in my favorite vintage Custombilt Bulldog.
However, I rarely smoke these expensive tinned imports preferring Cornell & Diehl's bulk English blends at 1/3 the price. Too bad if breaks forum rules to lure posters to other fora - I'm a member of three Pipe Forums - on one of which we have a new member who is starting at Holy Cross this term.
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« Reply #106 on: August 24, 2012, 06:07:42 PM »
Mr. Rottnek, what's your point?

For which post; each had it's own point.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #107 on: August 24, 2012, 07:18:33 PM »
Do not start*

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #108 on: August 24, 2012, 08:42:46 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


"Three times more likely," doesn't mean a thing.  I mean, people who leave their homes are probably 1,000,000 more times likely to get struck by a bus...that doesn't mean being struck by a bus is at all likely just because you leave your home.

What does it mean? Here is it what it means..

 125,522 tobacco related lung cancer deaths in the United States in 2008 :(

33,070 Non-Tobacco related lung caner deaths in the United States in 2008 :(

While non-tobacco related lung cancer did in fact account for approximately 1.4 % of the overall deaths in America in 2008, tobacco related lung-cancer deaths were actually about 5% of overall deaths, so it is more like FIVE TO ONE.

By the way, each one of those numbers is a human being, who sat in that same painful ICU and was part of family that also had to experience that  pain.  Again, I am not smoke Nazi by any means, but folks who smoke should seriously understand the gravity of the risk.  To belittle or even mock the risk is just plain stupid, and people should smoke for the pleasure of it, not out of woeful stupidity.

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #109 on: August 25, 2012, 04:16:53 AM »
I like my pipe.  I usually smoke a blend of cheap burley and cavendish.  I am working on making smoke rings.
PA?

PA?

Prince Albert.

Kerdy, let me update your knowledges.

Nowadays if you talk about smoking PA or Prince Albert some of the kids are going to get quite a different impression . . .

Initially I did get quite a different impression...but then I figured it out.

Not PA, just the cheap stuff that comes in a bag at Walgreens.  I buy one of cavendish and one of burley and mix them in old Peterson's tins that are lying about.  The cavendish burns nicely and the burley helps the flavour.  I have also used the burning quality of the cavendish to mix in with Captain Black from time to time as well.

My friend, we need to talk off forum about real pipe tobacco. Just the thought of all the propylene glycol in that Capt Black makes me turn green.  :D

I try not to be too much of a snob, but I'm primarily a Samuel Gawith man myself (Mmm, almost time to open up the Squadron Leader and Commonwealth tins for autumn). Murray's (and even some later Orlik) produced Dunhills were quite nice as well.
Squadron Leader..London Mixture, both nice indeed.  I'm also a fan of Ashtons Artisan Blend, but some find it irritated their throat because of the Perique.

Never had any Squadron Leader - not available locally. But I very much like Ashton's Artisans Blend and am right now puffing some Dunhill London Mixture in my favorite vintage Custombilt Bulldog.
However, I rarely smoke these expensive tinned imports preferring Cornell & Diehl's bulk English blends at 1/3 the price. Too bad if breaks forum rules to lure posters to other fora - I'm a member of three Pipe Forums - on one of which we have a new member who is starting at Holy Cross this term.
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Glad to see some other pipe smokers out there.  I can't remember the J.S. Bach quote about smoking his pipe and praying to God, but it would be choice for this.

Kerdy, Some great choices there.  Admittedly, one of the few things I have yet to make my mind up on is perique.  Latakia, that's a different story, as I love the stuff.  I'll have to revisit the Artisan's Blend. 

Αριστοκλής, C&D has some surprisingly good bulk.  I usually get pretty good prices on Gawith stuff though, so it's not too cost prohibitive.  Plus, I stockpiled a great deal of Dunhill before the prices skyrocketed.  I'm a member of one (maybe another) pipe forum (the one with very very strict posting rules).  I haven't been on there in ages, but it was pretty helpful for me during the initial stages of refining the leisure activity.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #110 on: August 25, 2012, 07:06:25 PM »
I like my pipe.  I usually smoke a blend of cheap burley and cavendish.  I am working on making smoke rings.
PA?

PA?

Prince Albert.

Kerdy, let me update your knowledges.

Nowadays if you talk about smoking PA or Prince Albert some of the kids are going to get quite a different impression . . .

Initially I did get quite a different impression...but then I figured it out.

Not PA, just the cheap stuff that comes in a bag at Walgreens.  I buy one of cavendish and one of burley and mix them in old Peterson's tins that are lying about.  The cavendish burns nicely and the burley helps the flavour.  I have also used the burning quality of the cavendish to mix in with Captain Black from time to time as well.

My friend, we need to talk off forum about real pipe tobacco. Just the thought of all the propylene glycol in that Capt Black makes me turn green.  :D

I try not to be too much of a snob, but I'm primarily a Samuel Gawith man myself (Mmm, almost time to open up the Squadron Leader and Commonwealth tins for autumn). Murray's (and even some later Orlik) produced Dunhills were quite nice as well.
Squadron Leader..London Mixture, both nice indeed.  I'm also a fan of Ashtons Artisan Blend, but some find it irritated their throat because of the Perique.

Never had any Squadron Leader - not available locally. But I very much like Ashton's Artisans Blend and am right now puffing some Dunhill London Mixture in my favorite vintage Custombilt Bulldog.
However, I rarely smoke these expensive tinned imports preferring Cornell & Diehl's bulk English blends at 1/3 the price. Too bad if breaks forum rules to lure posters to other fora - I'm a member of three Pipe Forums - on one of which we have a new member who is starting at Holy Cross this term.
My pipe time is the ONLY sane time I have outside of prayers.

Glad to see some other pipe smokers out there.  I can't remember the J.S. Bach quote about smoking his pipe and praying to God, but it would be choice for this.

Kerdy, Some great choices there.  Admittedly, one of the few things I have yet to make my mind up on is perique.  Latakia, that's a different story, as I love the stuff.  I'll have to revisit the Artisan's Blend. 

Αριστοκλής, C&D has some surprisingly good bulk.  I usually get pretty good prices on Gawith stuff though, so it's not too cost prohibitive.  Plus, I stockpiled a great deal of Dunhill before the prices skyrocketed.  I'm a member of one (maybe another) pipe forum (the one with very very strict posting rules).  I haven't been on there in ages, but it was pretty helpful for me during the initial stages of refining the leisure activity.
Unfortunately, I have not been a great fan of C&D blends.  I don't dislike them, but they aren't my go to blends.  Sort of a hit or miss thing.  What I have done over the years is take blends that don't make an impression and dump them into a larger jar.  I have a few pounds of that stuff.  Turns out pretty good.

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #111 on: October 13, 2013, 02:34:37 PM »
Thread is risen!

Are there any cigarrette-smokers? One of my friends told me today that Lucky Strike cigarrettes doesn't taste like other cigarrettes. I've assumed that all cigarrettes taste more or less the same i.e. fairly bad since I haven't noticed much variation in those that I've occasionally smoked. Are there any cigarrettes that actually taste good?
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #112 on: October 13, 2013, 02:37:00 PM »
Thread is risen!

Are there any cigarrette-smokers? One of my friends told me today that Lucky Strike cigarrettes doesn't taste like other cigarrettes. I've assumed that all cigarrettes taste more or less the same i.e. fairly bad since I haven't noticed much variation in those that I've occasionally smoked. Are there any cigarrettes that actually taste good?

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #113 on: October 13, 2013, 02:41:11 PM »
I haven't spotted any decent cigarrettes. Everything that I have taste from neutral to horrible. Also, the smell tends to be horrible.

Pipe tobacco on the other hand tends to taste rather good. Cigars are not bad either.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #114 on: October 13, 2013, 04:04:51 PM »
I haven't spotted any decent cigarrettes. Everything that I have taste from neutral to horrible. Also, the smell tends to be horrible.

Pipe tobacco on the other hand tends to taste rather good. Cigars are not bad either.

There are filtered cigarillos that look like cigarettes, but use pipe tobacco as a filler.  The ones I have tried are pretty good and have a nice scent.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #115 on: October 13, 2013, 04:41:26 PM »
Any recommendations? That sounds fairly good.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #116 on: October 14, 2013, 02:52:50 PM »
I usually stick to smoking my pipe with a cigar once in a while, but I did like one brand that's called "Sparrow."  Their "cigars" are really cigarette-sized, but use pipe tobacco as a filler and it has a nice flavor.  I had friends back in college that would just roll their own cigarettes with bulk pipe tobacco and find the one they liked.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #117 on: October 14, 2013, 02:59:19 PM »
Thread is risen!

Are there any cigarrette-smokers? One of my friends told me today that Lucky Strike cigarrettes doesn't taste like other cigarrettes. I've assumed that all cigarrettes taste more or less the same i.e. fairly bad since I haven't noticed much variation in those that I've occasionally smoked. Are there any cigarrettes that actually taste good?
these used to be produced in Chicago. The best I ever tasted. They had to close operations due to some law being passed that forbids "flavoring" cigarettes . The people in the know said that it was the big cig producers that lobbied for this ;law. They used to be cheaper than a pack of Marlboro.

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #118 on: October 14, 2013, 03:13:27 PM »
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Are there any cigarrette-smokers? One of my friends told me today that Lucky Strike cigarrettes doesn't taste like other cigarrettes. I've assumed that all cigarrettes taste more or less the same i.e. fairly bad since I haven't noticed much variation in those that I've occasionally smoked. Are there any cigarrettes that actually taste good?
these used to be produced in Chicago. The best I ever tasted. They had to close operations due to some law being passed that forbids "flavoring" cigarettes . The people in the know said that it was the big cig producers that lobbied for this ;law. They used to be cheaper than a pack of Marlboro.



Oh, man.  Those were very good.  A shame they shut down.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #119 on: October 14, 2013, 03:17:39 PM »
Then they had many blends. I remember the Earl, the Empress. I still keep the cases. I remember smoking the Oriental Rose one warm Easter night in the church courtyard with some friends . Heavenly.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #120 on: October 14, 2013, 03:24:38 PM »
Thread is risen!

Are there any cigarrette-smokers? One of my friends told me today that Lucky Strike cigarrettes doesn't taste like other cigarrettes. I've assumed that all cigarrettes taste more or less the same i.e. fairly bad since I haven't noticed much variation in those that I've occasionally smoked. Are there any cigarrettes that actually taste good?
these used to be produced in Chicago. The best I ever tasted. They had to close operations due to some law being passed that forbids "flavoring" cigarettes . The people in the know said that it was the big cig producers that lobbied for this ;law. They used to be cheaper than a pack of Marlboro.

How is menthol not a flavor?
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #121 on: October 14, 2013, 03:26:19 PM »
TBT I dunno the exact circumstances or causes of this operation's going out of business.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #122 on: October 14, 2013, 03:28:45 PM »
Sad to hear that also American goverment is filled with useful idiots supposedly protecting the customers. IIRC EU is going to forbid all menthol cigarrettes. I don't smoke them but that kind of patronizing is still annoying.

Hecma, thanks. Those Sparrows sound like what I'm looking for. I will ask whether local tobacco stores have them. I prefer pipe too but sometimes there are occasions when pipes simply aren't practical enough.
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #123 on: October 14, 2013, 03:38:22 PM »
TBT I dunno the exact circumstances or causes of this operation's going out of business.

Chicago politics.  Follow the money.  Did you ever hang out in their lounge?  It was a very cool place, very mellow.
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« Reply #124 on: December 02, 2013, 05:04:22 PM »
What was it like when indoor smoking was allowed always and everywhere? Did everybody smoke? Didn't non-smokers complain about the smell and all that?
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2013, 05:08:28 PM »
Indoor smoking is really bad*.

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2013, 06:43:02 PM »

Exposure to secondhand smoke—sometimes called environmental tobacco smoke—causes nearly 50,000 deaths each year among adults in the United States:1

Secondhand smoke causes 3,400 annual deaths from lung cancer.1
Secondhand smoke causes 46,000 annual deaths from heart disease.1,9,10
Increased Risk for Death Among Men

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/

If you delve further into these statistics (scientific studies, peer reviewed articles, etc.), they get real fishy, real fast.  For starters, it is very difficult to definitively determine what causes cancers.  Some cases can be pretty easy, whereas others aren't.  I would be shocked if I ran across a persuasive explanation for how doctors determined that heart disease was caused by Secondhand smoke.  

I don't mean to suggest that the process was as crude as 1. Diagnosing a lung cancer and/or heart disease death.  2. Checking off the box for exposure to Secondhand smoke, and 3.  Determining that the death was caused by Secondhand smoke, eliminating genetic or other factors.  But I don't think it was as sophisticated or accurate as we would like to believe.

Having researched the topic, I have very little doubt that a series of decisions was made to inflate Secondhand smoking statistics and exaggerate its threat.  Rightly or wrongly, this makes a great deal of sense.  In the hopes of attacking a demonstrably dangerous substance with costly repercussions, involving (frightening/angering) the large majority of people that smoking does not directly affect, is likely to grow and speed the opposition to it.  

Without depicting Secondhand smoking as a massive threat to all who encounter it, I don't think we see the widespread banning of a legal product within privately owned establishments.  That's another story though.
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« Reply #127 on: December 02, 2013, 06:56:21 PM »
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Without depicting Secondhand smoking as a massive threat to all who encounter it, I don't think we see the widespread banning of a legal product within privately owned establishments.  That's another story though.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you wrote, the banning of smoking in restaurants, bars and other establishments where people congregate has been in place in various countries for years now. Australia was one of the first to begin doing so, starting in the late 1980s.
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« Reply #128 on: December 02, 2013, 09:50:32 PM »
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Without depicting Secondhand smoking as a massive threat to all who encounter it, I don't think we see the widespread banning of a legal product within privately owned establishments.  That's another story though.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you wrote, the banning of smoking in restaurants, bars and other establishments where people congregate has been in place in various countries for years now. Australia was one of the first to begin doing so, starting in the late 1980s.

Varying prohibitions, including country-wide bans are quite recent though, and they moved along at a pace that should have caused anyone with cautionary inclinations against quick, widespread government bans or intrusive regulation into privately owned entities to take notice of.  Perhaps being in a vanguard country for this has affected your view.

The idea of outright smoking bans in public places is pretty recent, it moved along at a shockingly swift pace, and would have been nearly unimaginable in most of these places 10-15 years ago.  No smoking in British and Irish pubs?  No foggy haze in dingy NYC nightclubs?  No odour du Gauloises wafting from Paris cafes?  

NYC (2003), Ireland (2004), Argentina (2006) the UK (2007), France (2008), etc. The list goes on and on of countries, states, and provinces that took similar actions in a very constrained period of time. Although some significant curbing of public smoking was regulated previously, even most of the bans in Australia came about in the 2006-2009 period.
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I'm not saying that the ball wasn't rolling in that direction, but when you go from reasonable restrictions on smoking in "family" places to outright bans on smoking (a legal substance) in age 21 and up punk rock clubs such as NYC's CBGBs in a matter of a couple of years, that indicates something is awry.  
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« Reply #129 on: December 02, 2013, 11:35:34 PM »
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even most of the bans in Australia came about in the 2006-2009 period.

This is not at all correct.

Tobacco ads for Australian radio and TV were accompanied by health warnings in 1972, and banned in 1976; print ads were gradually restricted in content and placement and eventually banned outright in 1992, as were ads shown in movie theaters, smoking in buildings housing government departments, administration and hospitals was banned in 1985; smoking in other public places and places of work followed suit within about ten years in most regions. Tobacco sponsorship of sporting and cultural events were initially exempted from restrictions, but this exemption was rescinded by 1992. The two remaining international sporting events which had been exempted, the Formula 1 Grand Prix and its motorcycle sister event, lost their exemptions from the 2007 events onwards.

Warning labels on packaging was in place by 1973, with the font size increasing over the following couple of decades, and being replaced in 2004 with graphic pictures of diseased organs and tissues, and bluntly-worded warnings. The latest development is the introduction of uniform plain packaging, in late 2012, with a large graphic, and a drab, unappealing color. Only the brand name is still allowed, in a generic font, and with no logos or other designs.

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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #130 on: December 03, 2013, 08:16:37 AM »
What was it like when indoor smoking was allowed always and everywhere? Did everybody smoke? Didn't non-smokers complain about the smell and all that?

I remember non-smoking sections were ineffective.  Really, if you're going to segregate people at least put in a good filtration system.  My dad was in the Army during a time when there were no smoking restrictions and many, many people smoked indoors and outdoors and you just dealt with it.

I like to frequent a restaurant that allows indoor smoking and prohibits children under 18 from being there.  It's great, no whiny kids or parents.  They've had that policy even before our town had the whole indoor smoking ban.  The city tries every now and again to mess with them; unsuccessfully, though.
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« Reply #131 on: December 04, 2013, 11:34:21 PM »
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even most of the bans in Australia came about in the 2006-2009 period.

This is not at all correct.


My post referred to widespread bans on smoking in public places (all public places), not most of the anti-smoking campaigns you mentioned.  The quick succession of the dates of national smoking bans indicates a rapid spread of pretty significant anti-public smoking legislation (not advertising, not circumscribed prohibitions, not pictures on packs).  Nor did much of the previous history mentioned have much to do with Secondhand smoke data.

I think most of us are in agreement that smoking cigarettes is unhealthy, and now, that Australia has opposed its use for some time...


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I'm helping a friend pick out his first pipe tomorrow.  Any suggestions for new ones?  I personally think "estates" are the way to go for learning, but they don't sell well, and many shops have stopped carrying them.  I'm not sure of his price range, although I would think $80-100.  
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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #132 on: December 04, 2013, 11:45:05 PM »
Hi, James,

My father smoked a pipe when I was growing up - the smell of the tobacco was lovely.  I purchased a new interesting pipe for him every Christmas.  My sons and husband both smoke cigars on occasion.  Cigars . . . smell bad.   Cigarettes are a nasty nasty habit. . . and very very difficult to quit.

From a woman's point a view?  A man and tobacco? 

Chew is gross. I'd never ever kiss a guy who chewed.
Cigarettes are like kissing an ashtray.  Yick - gag.
Cigars are even worse as the odor of the tobacco is a million times stronger.  It's a bro-night thing. 
Pipes look very debonair and sophisticated and they smell good. . . but the breath still goes to ash tray, just not as bad.

So there you have it. 

I won't touch the health issues, there's too long a list.

I won't touch the spiritual issues, either - because that can get very mucky. 

But from a woman's point of view? 

The pipe is probably the least offensive.  A good clean mouth is wow awesome.


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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2013, 01:01:46 AM »

I recommend Беломорканал for the first time. There is no more cult brand and there is almost no chance he would enjoy them.



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Re: Smoking?
« Reply #134 on: December 05, 2013, 03:10:43 AM »
Then called them "Stalin Cigars" but I've never been able to find them in the USA.

I doubt they would be legal in the US.
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