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Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« on: August 19, 2012, 01:11:18 PM »

An 11-year-old Christian girl has been arrested after being accused of desecrating pages of a book containing Islamic text.

She was detained for blasphemy after an angry mob demanded her arrest and threatened to burn down Christian homes outside of the capital, Islamabad, Pakistani media say.

The girl is known to have learning difficulties, officials say.

Police have taken her parents into protective custody following threats.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19311098

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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2012, 02:05:09 PM »
Lord have mercy. Through the prayers of the Theotokos, may she and her family be preserved from all harm.
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 03:23:41 PM »
Lord have mercy.   :(  Read this to my 10 and six year olds to remind them, next time they feel like complaining about fasting or prayers, that they have it easy.
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 01:05:54 AM »
Here's a page for St. Mary's Coptic Orthodox Church outside of Islamabad proper.  They're trying to gain a bit of publicity (and protection) regarding this.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/StMarys-Coptic-Orthodox-ChurchIqbal-TownIslamabadPakistan/332989913397331

New details are emerging, but none the change the reality that this was a mentally handicapped girl.
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 01:13:35 AM »
Lord have mercy!!!
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 01:44:32 AM »
Barbarians. Lord have mercy.
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 02:17:22 AM »
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 03:48:31 AM »
A couple more links from another thread, some with the ability to donate.  Does it directly help this situation? Probably not.  Still, better than just being angry and apathetic.  I'll report back with any more info I get from the actual area.  Bit dicey at the moment.

http://orthodoxpakistan.org/

and another...

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/02/russian-orthodox-church-opens-in-pakistan/

If looking through the pictures doesn't inspire you a bit...

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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 07:48:40 AM »
Nothing new in Allah's desert! Soon they will officially identify Christians as people with Down syndrom, and exterminate them like their spiritual brothers did in Nazi Europe. "Give a dog a bad name and hang him!" Poor girl!

I met a Pakistani businessman in Brussels a couple of years ago who talke enthusiastically about Hitler. He told me he loves him so much....I pitty the fool who cultivates freindship with such Muslims.  :o
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 03:32:43 PM »
Breaking news regarding this case: A local Imam, Khalid Chisti, has been arrested on charges of blasphemy for planting the burned pages of the Qur'an among the items carried by the prosecuted girl in order to force local Christians to flee the area in the ensuing violence. Watch the BBC report here.

Mr. Chisti has been reported as saying ""We are not upset the Christians have left and we will be pleased if they don't come back" (source)

Now there is the possibility that he may have to fear for his life, being prosecuted under the same blasphemy law that he conspired to have the poor young girl prosecuted under. I am still against the blasphemy law (specifically because we know that such abuses of it do go on; here is finally evidence that the authorities cannot ignore!), but in this case I have to say, it couldn't be happening to a more deserving guy.
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2012, 03:50:58 PM »
Watch the BBC report here.

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Mr. Chisti has been reported as saying ""We are not upset the Christians have left and we will be pleased if they don't come back".

This is nearly what I always thought when I heard people talk about the rapture.
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2012, 05:19:59 PM »
I am still against the blasphemy law (specifically because we know that such abuses of it do go on; here is finally evidence that the authorities cannot ignore!), but in this case I have to say, it couldn't be happening to a more deserving guy.

There may be a great deal more to the story than has come out...  ;)

Edit: But yeah, you're right.  Dude's a scumbag, regardless.
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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2012, 09:44:40 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Breaking news regarding this case: A local Imam, Khalid Chisti, has been arrested on charges of blasphemy for planting the burned pages of the Qur'an among the items carried by the prosecuted girl in order to force local Christians to flee the area in the ensuing violence. Watch the BBC report here.

Mr. Chisti has been reported as saying ""We are not upset the Christians have left and we will be pleased if they don't come back" (source)

Now there is the possibility that he may have to fear for his life, being prosecuted under the same blasphemy law that he conspired to have the poor young girl prosecuted under. I am still against the blasphemy law (specifically because we know that such abuses of it do go on; here is finally evidence that the authorities cannot ignore!), but in this case I have to say, it couldn't be happening to a more deserving guy.

I'm sure the Imam is banking on the reality that no one in Pakistan courts has ever actually been executed under the blasphemy laws, they are realistically more like a political pandering tool for the Pakistani government.  The real problem with the blasphemy laws is they do in fact encourage extremists and hatemongers to form lynch mobs and execute vigilante justice similar in vein to the KKK of olde.  While the Pakistani courts have yet to execute a single person under the laws, it is estimated by several NGOs that several hundred people have been murdered by lynch mobs or vigilantes.  Some of them have been accused Christians, others minority sect Muslims, and quite often just personal vendettas having little to do with any semblance of Islam.  This is also partly what fueled some of the racial lynching in the US, sometimes folks were taking advantage of the community's prejudices to pursue more personal vendettas, which is what some studies about blasphemy laws in Pakistan have also suggested.

For instance, I recall another thread about a Christian boy who was murdered after being accused by the blasphemy laws, but one of our posters pointed out that later evidence revealed that the boy wasn't killed because he was a Christian at all, but rather even worse was raped and killed by   pedophile :(

We must pray for ALL peoples whose safety and security is threatened by both these unjust and dangerous laws but more so the vitriolic prejudices which allow whole communities to allow vigilantism and lynch mob mentalities to continue unabated.

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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 10:08:58 PM »
Nothing new in Allah's desert! Soon they will officially identify Christians as people with Down syndrom, and exterminate them like their spiritual brothers did in Nazi Europe. "Give a dog a bad name and hang him!" Poor girl!

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Imam Framed Disabled Girl In Pakistan
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2012, 10:10:11 PM »
Pakistani police arrested an Imam on Sunday over accusations he had planted evidence on a Christian girl accused of burning a Koran, allegedly to frame her. Witnesses say the cleric tore pages from the Koran and planted them in the girl’s bag.

­Imam Khalid Chishti had previously presented police with evidence that Rimsha Masih – a Christian girl believed to be 11 to 14 years old who may also be mentally disabled – had committed blasphemy by burning pages of the Koran. He was arrested on Sunday after witnesses claimed he had falsified the evidence.

“The imam was arrested after his deputy Maulvi Zubair and two others told a magistrate he added pages from the Koran to the burnt pages brought to him by a witness,” AFP quoted police official Munir Hussain Jafri as saying.

“They protested that he should not add something to the evidence and he should give the evidence to the police as he got it and should not do this," Jaffri said.

Chishti allegedly responded by saying, “You know this is the only way to expel the Christians from this area.”




http://rt.com/news/pakistan-girl-imam-evidence-168/

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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2012, 01:56:16 AM »
This is a positive development:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/09/christian-girl-hailed-as-daughter-of-nation-by-senior-pakistani-cleric/

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Chairman of All Pakistan Ulema Council vows to guarantee safety of girl accused of blasphemy if she is released from prison.

The Christian girl who was allegedly framed for blasphemy by her local mullah has been hailed as a “daughter of the nation” by one of Pakistan’s most senior Islamic clerics, who also vowed to guarantee her safety if she is eventually released from prison.

The heavyweight support for Rimsha Masih from the chairman of the All Pakistan Ulema Council, a grouping of Islamic clerics, is being seen as a remarkable turn of events in a country where individuals accused of insulting Islam are almost never helped by powerful public figures.

In a fiery press conference at a central Islamabad hotel, Hafiz Mohammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi, flanked by other senior clerics, demanded all the organs of the Pakistani state come together to investigate the circumstances surrounding the arrest last month of a girl who it is claimed has Down’s syndrome.


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Re: Christian Child Arrested in Pakistan For Blasphemy
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 10:52:52 AM »
This is a positive development:

http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/09/christian-girl-hailed-as-daughter-of-nation-by-senior-pakistani-cleric/

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Chairman of All Pakistan Ulema Council vows to guarantee safety of girl accused of blasphemy if she is released from prison.

The Christian girl who was allegedly framed for blasphemy by her local mullah has been hailed as a “daughter of the nation” by one of Pakistan’s most senior Islamic clerics, who also vowed to guarantee her safety if she is eventually released from prison.

The heavyweight support for Rimsha Masih from the chairman of the All Pakistan Ulema Council, a grouping of Islamic clerics, is being seen as a remarkable turn of events in a country where individuals accused of insulting Islam are almost never helped by powerful public figures.

In a fiery press conference at a central Islamabad hotel, Hafiz Mohammad Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi, flanked by other senior clerics, demanded all the organs of the Pakistani state come together to investigate the circumstances surrounding the arrest last month of a girl who it is claimed has Down’s syndrome.

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