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« on: August 18, 2012, 03:01:20 PM »

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Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites—including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now—reported that people were being “crucified.”

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In reality, there is little reason to doubt this crucifixion story. Militant Muslims crucifying their opponents is a regular feature of the Islamic world—recent cases coming from the Ivory Coast, where two Christian brothers were crucified, similarly by supporters of a Muslim president who ousted a Christian; Indonesia, where Islamic separatists crucified a fellow Muslim for being a military informant; and in Iraq, where Muslim militants crucified Christian children.

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For the complete story:
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/16/muslim-brotherhood-crucifies-opponents-attacks-secular-media/

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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 03:09:18 PM »

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Be patient and perseverant, you children of Light! The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is going to defeat the false moon god of Mecca. ELOHIM akbar!
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 03:55:25 PM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 09:11:13 PM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

Truly, indeed.

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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 09:19:12 PM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 10:11:06 PM »

I was ready to post this:

“Crucifixion is a hadd punishment, stipulated in the Quran, Sura 5:33, and therefore an obligatory part of Shariah,” Lopez said. “It’s been a traditional punishment within Islam since the beginning, even though it’s not exclusively Islamic. The Romans used it too.
 
“So, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood haven’t the option to not include crucifixion within their legal code. It’s obligatory to comply with Shariah. And yes, it’s for shock value also to be sure,” Lopez said.
 
Lopez includes a warning for Egypt’s Christians and compares the coming treatment of the Christians to the Jews in Germany.

 
“The Copts must get out of Egypt as soon as possible – for the many millions who will not be able to get out, I expect things will continue to deteriorate – just as they did for Germany’s and Europe’s Jews from the 1930s onward,” Lopez said....

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/arab-spring-run-amok-brotherhood-starts-crucifixions/
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 10:20:12 PM »

The great Christian leader Vlad Tepes knew how to deal with people like this.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2012, 12:36:10 AM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

And, if we read the rest of that section, it says in Sura 5:35 "[5:35] O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD and seek the ways and means to Him, and strive in His cause, that you may succeed." Love, hope.

We can't cherry pick the Koran, just like we can't cherry pick the Bible.
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2012, 12:54:07 AM »

Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

And, if we read the rest of that section, it says in Sura 5:35 "[5:35] O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD and seek the ways and means to Him, and strive in His cause, that you may succeed." Love, hope.

We can't cherry pick the Koran, just like we can't cherry pick the Bible.

I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Huh
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 12:54:37 AM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

And, if we read the rest of that section, it says in Sura 5:35 "[5:35] O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD and seek the ways and means to Him, and strive in His cause, that you may succeed." Love, hope.

We can't cherry pick the Koran, just like we can't cherry pick the Bible.

"His messenger" = Muhammad. Those who fight "God and his messenger" are non-Muslims who deserve crucifying, maiming, banishment, humiliation, etc. Exempt from this are those non-Muslims who repent of fighting "God and his messenger". That's kind of a crucial qualifier for mercy. I can't gather the relevance of the third verse you quoted, as that is pretty clearly talking to Muslims, not shirktastic Christians.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 12:59:43 AM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

And, if we read the rest of that section, it says in Sura 5:35 "[5:35] O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD and seek the ways and means to Him, and strive in His cause, that you may succeed." Love, hope.

We can't cherry pick the Koran, just like we can't cherry pick the Bible.

"His messenger" = Muhammad. Those who fight "God and his messenger" are non-Muslims who deserve crucifying, maiming, banishment, humiliation, etc. Exempt from this are those non-Muslims who repent of fighting "God and his messenger". That's kind of a crucial qualifier for mercy. I can't gather the relevance of the third verse you quoted, as that is pretty clearly talking to Muslims, not shirktastic Christians.
It is a critical qualifier for mercy, but at the same time, mercy exists.

I quote the third verse to refute Maria, saying there is no hope, which, for Muslims, there is.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2012, 01:11:22 AM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

And, if we read the rest of that section, it says in Sura 5:35 "[5:35] O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD and seek the ways and means to Him, and strive in His cause, that you may succeed." Love, hope.

We can't cherry pick the Koran, just like we can't cherry pick the Bible.

"His messenger" = Muhammad. Those who fight "God and his messenger" are non-Muslims who deserve crucifying, maiming, banishment, humiliation, etc. Exempt from this are those non-Muslims who repent of fighting "God and his messenger". That's kind of a crucial qualifier for mercy. I can't gather the relevance of the third verse you quoted, as that is pretty clearly talking to Muslims, not shirktastic Christians.
It is a critical qualifier for mercy, but at the same time, mercy exists.


A stark contrast from the words of our Lord instructing us to turn the other cheek, bless those who persecute you (bless and do not curse!), love your enemies, etc. Giving "mercy" to those you've strong-armed into agreeing with you strikes me more as manipulation than altruism.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2012, 01:58:47 AM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

I wonder if these Iraqi Christian children repented before being crucified:

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Muslim militants are crucifying children to terrorize their Christian parents into fleeing Iraq, a parliamentary committee studying the persecution of religious minorities heard yesterday.

Since the war began in 2003, about 12 children, many as young as 10, have been kidnapped and killed, then nailed to makeshift crosses near their homes to terrify and torment their parents.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=e7649576-0ebe-4b4f-b803-9a2c64449c41
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2012, 02:10:19 AM »

Lord have his mercy!
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2012, 02:26:07 AM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

I wonder if these Iraqi Christian children repented before being crucified:

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Muslim militants are crucifying children to terrorize their Christian parents into fleeing Iraq, a parliamentary committee studying the persecution of religious minorities heard yesterday.

Since the war began in 2003, about 12 children, many as young as 10, have been kidnapped and killed, then nailed to makeshift crosses near their homes to terrify and torment their parents.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=e7649576-0ebe-4b4f-b803-9a2c64449c41


...  Shocked

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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2012, 02:44:46 AM »

Crucifying kids???

The wonders of US-backed "regime change." Boy, (secular) Sadaam was bad, wasn't he?

Gearing up for more US-forced "Change" in Syria against big bad (secular) Assad next?

Maybe then we will hear more horror stories if the millions of Christians there start getting persecuted. Or maybe not, just like we don't hear on the news about the 110,000 civilians killed in Iraq since the war started in 2003. http://www.iraqbodycount.org

Isn't it ironic that my tax dollars somehow keep functioning to persecute Christians in the Middle East (Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan) for the sake of "democracy"?

Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2012, 09:58:28 AM »

Maybe then we will hear more horror stories if the millions of Christians there start getting persecuted. Or maybe not, just like we don't hear on the news about the 110,000 civilians killed in Iraq since the war started in 2003

The horror stories of violence against Christians are already reported daily, only not on any major news outlets...  Undecided
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2012, 01:16:21 PM »

It is important to point out that their Holy Scriptures prescribe such horrific deaths. Truly the religion of peace, isn't it?

I wonder how they would have received Christ had He decided to come 700 years later?
Since Christ stopped the stoning of the woman caught in adultery, they would have accused Him of not following sharia.

Islam = No mercy, no love, no hope.

Lord have mercy on them and save them.
Aye, it does say that in Sura 5:33 "The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

But also, in the proceeding verse, Sure 5:34, it says "[5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." Mercy

And, if we read the rest of that section, it says in Sura 5:35 "[5:35] O you who believe, you shall reverence GOD and seek the ways and means to Him, and strive in His cause, that you may succeed." Love, hope.

We can't cherry pick the Koran, just like we can't cherry pick the Bible.

"His messenger" = Muhammad. Those who fight "God and his messenger" are non-Muslims who deserve crucifying, maiming, banishment, humiliation, etc. Exempt from this are those non-Muslims who repent of fighting "God and his messenger". That's kind of a crucial qualifier for mercy. I can't gather the relevance of the third verse you quoted, as that is pretty clearly talking to Muslims, not shirktastic Christians.
It is a critical qualifier for mercy, but at the same time, mercy exists.

I quote the third verse to refute Maria, saying there is no hope, which, for Muslims, there is.

Talk about a strained reading. Quite obviously their mercy is reserved for those who "repent" via conversion to Islam.
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2012, 06:18:55 PM »

Crucifying kids???

The wonders of US-backed "regime change." Boy, (secular) Sadaam was bad, wasn't he?

Gearing up for more US-forced "Change" in Syria against big bad (secular) Assad next?

Maybe then we will hear more horror stories if the millions of Christians there start getting persecuted. Or maybe not, just like we don't hear on the news about the 110,000 civilians killed in Iraq since the war started in 2003. http://www.iraqbodycount.org

Isn't it ironic that my tax dollars somehow keep functioning to persecute Christians in the Middle East (Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan) for the sake of "democracy"?

Lord have mercy.

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2012, 07:23:20 PM »

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Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites—including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now—reported that people were being “crucified.”

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In reality, there is little reason to doubt this crucifixion story. Militant Muslims crucifying their opponents is a regular feature of the Islamic world—recent cases coming from the Ivory Coast, where two Christian brothers were crucified, similarly by supporters of a Muslim president who ousted a Christian; Indonesia, where Islamic separatists crucified a fellow Muslim for being a military informant; and in Iraq, where Muslim militants crucified Christian children.

Lord have mercy.

For the complete story:
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/08/16/muslim-brotherhood-crucifies-opponents-attacks-secular-media/


Considering the source, The David Horowitz Freedom Center, I have some doubts as to the veracity of this story.

In regard to your "little reason to doubt" story, one could use the same reasoning to to trash Romanian and Serbian Orthodoxy.

The Freedom Center probably cares little about Christians. If you did not support the war against Saddam Hussein, you were a North Korean-style communist in their eyes. http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=10421

I am particularly tired of seeing blatantly political opinion pieces being sold as news sources.

I would appreciate the original news sources in the future.

Salpy, if you are reading this, I do no deny the truth of this article, it is that I will just not accept this truth from a source I personally consider satanic.
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2012, 09:15:33 PM »

Considering the source, The David Horowitz Freedom Center, I have some doubts as to the veracity of this story.

In regard to your "little reason to doubt" story, one could use the same reasoning to to trash Romanian and Serbian Orthodoxy.

The Freedom Center probably cares little about Christians. If you did not support the war against Saddam Hussein, you were a North Korean-style communist in their eyes. http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=10421

I am particularly tired of seeing blatantly political opinion pieces being sold as news sources.

I would appreciate the original news sources in the future.

Salpy, if you are reading this, I do no deny the truth of this article, it is that I will just not accept this truth from a source I personally consider satanic.
Yeah, I would like to disbelieve it, and I have a basis for doing so.
The supposed movie of a Christian being cut for being Christian, either in Syria or Tunisia, which was discussed alot on this forum and elsewhere turned out to be actually a rehashed video of a fundamentalist rebel group in Syria killing someone, like a government supporter, much earlier. As mentioned earlier, the media appears to be backing the rebels against the Syrian government.

Regarding the OP, the claim I think was originally reported in Sky News, and Sky News has taken down its own article that reported this. The story was reported virally all over the web, and I would note it doesn't involve killing for apostasy, but killing supporters of the brutal army. It's still very bad of course, but you need to know what is being reported.

For me, the best proof of the story is that it was reported on 3 Egyptian/ Arab stations too. But the problem is that when I translated one of these, it just turned out to say the same quote as the removed Sky News video.

One of the articles on the Horowitz "Freedom" website even discussed seriously whether it was a made-up story.

Anyway, the few other stories mentioned, like of kids getting crucified, are pretty bad, assuming they are true, which I assume they are (and could be wrong about).
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There are people of The Lord, Jesus Christ, and those who belong to the devil. There are those who are blessed with The Holy Spirit, and have Angelic guidance and protection, and there are those who are possessed with unholy spirits, and are guided by the beast and the fallen angels. Those who accept The Lord care about others, and those who don't accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob DON'T CARE, so they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods.
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Those who accept The Lord care about others, and those who don't accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob DON'T CARE, so they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods.
 

That is a very narrow-minded statement and I would like to see you prove it.

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That is a very narrow-minded statement and I would like to see you prove it.



What proof? The proof is out there, can't you see it?

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2012, 09:23:58 AM »

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That is a very narrow-minded statement and I would like to see you prove it.



What proof? The proof is out there, can't you see it?


I see no proof. Your coment suggest that non-christians are somehow unable to show empathy for others. I see non-christians doing horrible things around the world all the time, but I also see christians doing the same. It is only a couple of weeks ago since I was volunteering in Africa where I worked together with a nigerian muslim.
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Those who accept The Lord care about others, and those who don't accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob DON'T CARE, so they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods.
 

That is a very narrow-minded statement and I would like to see you prove it.



What proof? The proof is out there, can't you see it?


I see no proof. Your coment suggest that non-christians are somehow unable to show empathy for others. I see non-christians doing horrible things around the world all the time, but I also see christians doing the same. It is only a couple of weeks ago since I was volunteering in Africa where I worked together with a nigerian muslim.

Dear Ansgar,

Please pardon my words, but, frankly speaking, I am sick and tired of sentences like: "I have/know Muslim freinds, they are the most generous and wonderful individuals I ever meet" blabla. We hear these sorts of words quite frequently, lately here in the West. I have never heard words like, "Not all blacks are criminals, I have black freinds who are the most generous and wonderful individuals" etc. Many in the West have become coward hypocrites, they only behave "humanly" possible when they detect some kind of aggressive threatening behaviour towards them. Stockolm syndrome?

Have you told your Nigerian Muslim freind that Boko Haram will take you to hell, and there is no salvation except through Jesus Christ?

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2012, 10:58:16 AM »

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Those who accept The Lord care about others, and those who don't accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob DON'T CARE, so they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods.
 

That is a very narrow-minded statement and I would like to see you prove it.



What proof? The proof is out there, can't you see it?


I see no proof. Your coment suggest that non-christians are somehow unable to show empathy for others. I see non-christians doing horrible things around the world all the time, but I also see christians doing the same. It is only a couple of weeks ago since I was volunteering in Africa where I worked together with a nigerian muslim.

Dear Ansgar,

Please pardon my words, but, frankly speaking, I am sick and tired of sentences like: "I have/know Muslim freinds, they are the most generous and wonderful individuals I ever meet" blabla. We hear these sorts of words quite frequently, lately here in the West. I have never heard words like, "Not all blacks are criminals, I have black freinds who are the most generous and wonderful individuals" etc. Many in the West have become coward hypocrites, they only behave "humanly" possible when they detect some kind of aggressive threatening behaviour towards them. Stockolm syndrome?

Have you told your Nigerian Muslim freind that Boko Haram will take you to hell, and there is no salvation except through Jesus Christ?


Huh I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to make between Muslims and Black Americans. The way you worded it makes it seem that you think all Black Americans are criminals. But I highly doubt that since you're Ethiopian Orthodox. Tongue
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2012, 11:24:37 AM »

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Those who accept The Lord care about others, and those who don't accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob DON'T CARE, so they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods.
 

That is a very narrow-minded statement and I would like to see you prove it.



What proof? The proof is out there, can't you see it?


I see no proof. Your coment suggest that non-christians are somehow unable to show empathy for others. I see non-christians doing horrible things around the world all the time, but I also see christians doing the same. It is only a couple of weeks ago since I was volunteering in Africa where I worked together with a nigerian muslim.

Surely there is a difference between these two statements:

"non-christians are somehow unable to show empathy for others."

and

"they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods."

The second statement does not rule out the first, and the first does not invalidate the second.

My position is that Muslims are capable are doing horrific things not only because of the fallen human nature, just as Christians do, but because their Holt Scriptures exhort them to do so. I have no doubt that the vast majority of Muslims would be reluctant to carry out Sura 5:33 but that does not make this particular Sura just disappear. Indeed, if you look at it from the major premise if Islam, that of "submission to God," those Muslims who would not carry out Sura 5:33 would be bad Muslims. I thank God for bad Muslims.
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2012, 12:48:54 PM »

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Those who accept The Lord care about others, and those who don't accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob DON'T CARE, so they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods.
 

That is a very narrow-minded statement and I would like to see you prove it.



What proof? The proof is out there, can't you see it?


I see no proof. Your coment suggest that non-christians are somehow unable to show empathy for others. I see non-christians doing horrible things around the world all the time, but I also see christians doing the same. It is only a couple of weeks ago since I was volunteering in Africa where I worked together with a nigerian muslim.

Dear Ansgar,

Please pardon my words, but, frankly speaking, I am sick and tired of sentences like: "I have/know Muslim freinds, they are the most generous and wonderful individuals I ever meet" blabla. We hear these sorts of words quite frequently, lately here in the West. I have never heard words like, "Not all blacks are criminals, I have black freinds who are the most generous and wonderful individuals" etc. Many in the West have become coward hypocrites, they only behave "humanly" possible when they detect some kind of aggressive threatening behaviour towards them. Stockolm syndrome?

Have you told your Nigerian Muslim freind that Boko Haram will take you to hell, and there is no salvation except through Jesus Christ?


You are missing my point. You claimed that that people who do not accept Christ don't care about other people, I am telling you about non-christians who clearly have made an effort to help those in need, thereby disproving your theory.
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2012, 01:21:24 PM »

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Surely there is a difference between these two statements:

"non-christians are somehow unable to show empathy for others."

and

"they are capable of doing anything to satisfy the needs of their bloodthirsty gods."

The second statement does not rule out the first, and the first does not invalidate the second.
Yes, but he also said:
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Those who accept The Lord care about others, and those who don't accept the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob DON'T CARE

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My position is that Muslims are capable are doing horrific things not only because of the fallen human nature, just as Christians do, but because their Holt Scriptures exhort them to do so. I have no doubt that the vast majority of Muslims would be reluctant to carry out Sura 5:33 but that does not make this particular Sura just disappear. Indeed, if you look at it from the major premise if Islam, that of "submission to God," those Muslims who would not carry out Sura 5:33 would be bad Muslims. I thank God for bad Muslims.
I agree. As a christian, I naturally believe that Islam is a false religion. But I also feel obligates to try to love other people and to see the good in them, even if they are not christian.
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