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« on: August 13, 2012, 02:51:10 PM »

hello, instead of saying the Traditional Jesus prayer I like to say -

Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen Theotokos pray for me, a sinner. With blue prayer rope  Wink
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 03:11:20 PM »

Rejoice, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, O Virgin Theotokos. Blessed are thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou has borne the savior of our souls.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 03:12:29 PM »

Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen Theotokos, pray for me - a sinner.  angel
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 05:05:23 PM »

Aside from your apparent devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, do you have a problem with praying to God, following traditions, etc.? What gives?

Why mess with what we've got?
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 09:00:14 PM »

Pray unto God for me, O holy St. Justin, well pleasing to God, for a fervently flee unto thee, the speedy helper and intercessor for my soul!
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 09:33:11 PM »

Holy God, holy mighty, holy immortal, have mercy on us!
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 10:12:18 PM »

hello, instead of saying the Traditional Jesus prayer I like to say -

Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen Theotokos pray for me, a sinner. With blue prayer rope  Wink

Why blue?
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2012, 10:22:44 PM »

Oh Lord, how manifold are Thy works, in wisdom Thou hast made them all!
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 01:58:48 AM »

hello, instead of saying the Traditional Jesus prayer I like to say -

Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen Theotokos pray for me, a sinner. With blue prayer rope  Wink

Why blue?

Blue is the liturgical color associated with the Mother of God in many Orthodox traditions. By liturgical color, I mean that on feast days dedicated to the Virgin, such as the Annunciation, the Dormition, her Nativity, etc, the clergy's vestments, those of the altarboys, and the drapes in the church (curtain across the Royal Doors, drapes on the icon stands, etc) are blue.

Other seasons or feasts use different colors.
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 03:38:30 PM »

Would you rather have Mary praying for you, or God having mercy upon you for your sins?

If I was going to pray either, I'd go with the original.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2012, 03:58:20 PM »

Would you rather have Mary praying for you, or God having mercy upon you for your sins?

If I was going to pray either, I'd go with the original.

Why not both, in proper proportion?

Most of the time I spend praying is spent praying to God, not Mary or the saints or angels. However...

"The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." (James 5:16)

I'm not righteous. Mary is. So I'll gladly accept her prayers to God on my behalf.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2012, 04:19:27 PM »

Would you rather have Mary praying for you, or God having mercy upon you for your sins?
With respect, the question cannot be answered as there is no precedent for an either/or in Orthodoxy.  Along with prayers to God, there are many beautiful Theotokian prayers.  I suspect that given the season, WPM is simply honoring our Holy Mother.
 
If I was going to pray either, I'd go with the original.
Me as well, but if his priest OK's this prayer I wouldn't want to stifle his/her prayer life.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2012, 04:37:33 PM »

"New Idea" and "Orthodox" within the same sentence doesn't really sound that good idea.
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2012, 04:41:43 PM »

Would you rather have Mary praying for you, or God having mercy upon you for your sins?

If I was going to pray either, I'd go with the original.
The same could be asked of any protestant that asks someone to pray for them.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2012, 04:44:09 PM »

"New Idea" and "Orthodox" within the same sentence doesn't really sound that good idea.

New Idea +/- Orthodoxy= Heresy.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2012, 05:25:10 PM »

"New Idea" and "Orthodox" within the same sentence doesn't really sound that good idea.

New Idea +/- Orthodoxy= Heresy.
Not necessarily though.  As Metropolitan Kallistos has said, "The Holy Spirit is not stagnant."
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2012, 09:09:26 PM »

I don't dislike the prayer itself, but I'm nervous about the preface. "Instead of the Jesus Prayer"?
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2012, 09:14:23 PM »

I don't dislike the prayer itself, but I'm nervous about the preface. "Instead of the Jesus Prayer"?

I agree.  I would not use it as a replacement, but perhaps as an additional prayer.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2012, 09:18:12 PM »

I don't dislike the prayer itself, but I'm nervous about the preface. "Instead of the Jesus Prayer"?

Yeah this was my concern too. As long as one doesn't throw aside regular prayers for an original/novel prayer, I don't see an issue. I think it would be a decent devotion to the Theotokos.

It seems too many people in this thread are decrying novelty for novelty's sake alone (i.e. "anything new is bad!"), which would leave us with the Lord's Prayer and the Psalms and nothing else.
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2012, 11:27:02 PM »

"New Idea" and "Orthodox" within the same sentence doesn't really sound that good idea.

New Idea +/- Orthodoxy= Heresy.
Not necessarily though.  As Metropolitan Kallistos has said, "The Holy Spirit is not stagnant."

new saints require new hymns and such which is the work of the Spirit.  However, to make something completely new which is alien to the consensus patruum, that is heresy.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2012, 12:00:41 AM »

However, to make something completely new which is alien to the consensus patruum, that is heresy.
I don't see how making up an ejaculatory prayer to use privately constitutes heresy.
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