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« on: August 10, 2012, 07:44:09 PM »

Many modern critics of Saint Athanasius claim he used violence and persecution to achieve victory over his enemies and for personal gain. Is there any truth to this? Could someone produce primary sources concerning his personality and conduct towards his enemies?
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 07:54:42 PM »

Though it is by St. Athanasius himself, Apologia de Fuga (Defense of His Flight) might be of some interest to you regarding this topic...
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 12:29:45 AM »

Historians from not long after St. Athanasius that discuss him (d. 373)...

Sulpitius Severus (finished c. 403) - Sacred History, 2, 36-39
Socrates Scholasticus (finished c. 439) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 1-4
Sozomen (finished c. 443) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 2-6
Theodoret (finished mid-5th century) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 1-4
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 01:03:14 AM »

Many modern critics of Saint Athanasius claim he used violence and persecution to achieve victory over his enemies and for personal gain. Is there any truth to this? Could someone produce primary sources concerning his personality and conduct towards his enemies?
Many of his admirers say the same thing, at least the "victory over his enemies" part.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2012, 01:20:33 AM »

Historians from not long after St. Athanasius that discuss him (d. 373)...

Sulpitius Severus (finished c. 403) - Sacred History, 2, 36-39
Socrates Scholasticus (finished c. 439) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 1-4
Sozomen (finished c. 443) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 2-6
Theodoret (finished mid-5th century) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 1-4
Could you condense what they had to say about him into an easy-to-appreciate post? Thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2012, 01:25:28 AM »

Historians from not long after St. Athanasius that discuss him (d. 373)...

Sulpitius Severus (finished c. 403) - Sacred History, 2, 36-39
Socrates Scholasticus (finished c. 439) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 1-4
Sozomen (finished c. 443) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 2-6
Theodoret (finished mid-5th century) - Ecclesiastical History, Books 1-4
Could you condense what they had to say about him into an easy-to-appreciate post? Thanks.

I don't remember Socrates or Sozomen well enough to just do it off the top of my head (and the other two I've only read excerpts of). Let me bookmark this thread and I'll go over them a bit at a time, and I'll post back here anything that seems relevant. Do you need it sooner or can it be a bit later?
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2012, 01:27:04 AM »

It can be later. Don't worry, no rush...

Maybe I'll decide to not be so lazy and read them myself. Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2012, 08:25:45 PM »

Well, I didn't really see a lot about what you are asking about, it was mostly just history about the Arian controversy, condemnations, interference from emperors, exiles, and so forth as it was done to St. Athanasius and those who supported him. Not a lot about how St. Athanasius acted when he would have had the power to return the favors. I mean, they clearly favored St. Athanasius (Sulpicius, just thirty years after the death of St. Athanasius, was already calling him "a holy man" [SH 2.36] and a great man [SH 2.37]), but there isn't a lot about St. Athanasius as a person in there.
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