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« on: August 10, 2012, 01:56:00 PM »

"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?' which is translated, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'" (Mark 15:34)

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'" (Matt. 27:46)

Eloi Eloi vs. Eli Eli ... which is more correct, or are they both equally correct?
 
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 02:21:38 PM »

Those seem to be different spelling of the same word ("My God" in Hebrew and Aramaic). In contemporary Greek, and quite possibly already in Koine times, omikron iota is pronounced like English "ee".
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2012, 02:27:13 PM »

isn`t eloi / eli an abbreviation of some sort for "elohim" ?
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2012, 02:47:07 PM »

isn`t eloi / eli an abbreviation of some sort for "elohim" ?

El = god + i = my
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2012, 02:51:23 PM »

isn`t eloi / eli an abbreviation of some sort for "elohim" ?

El = god + i = my

what language?

the hebrew plural God word is Elohim.. If that is what it is used in there (Jesus was a hebrew) than he ment the fullness of divinity (i.e the Trinity)..
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2012, 02:52:04 PM »

isn`t eloi / eli an abbreviation of some sort for "elohim" ?

El = god + i = my

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 02:57:51 PM »

I heard a priest say that Eli/Eloi was a diminutive like "tati" .  In romanian we have the word for father - tata , and affectively we say tati, which is also taken as "my father" ..
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 04:40:11 PM »

Hebrew...or Aramaic?
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 04:49:35 PM »

I heard a priest say that Eli/Eloi was a diminutive like "tati" .  In romanian we have the word for father - tata , and affectively we say tati, which is also taken as "my father" ..
No, it's not a diminutive form.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 04:57:15 PM »

Hebrew...or Aramaic?
Mark is Aramaic, Matthew either Hebrew influenced Aramaic or Aramaic influenced Hebrew.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 05:09:23 PM »

I heard a priest say that Eli/Eloi was a diminutive like "tati" .  In romanian we have the word for father - tata , and affectively we say tati, which is also taken as "my father" ..
No, it's not a diminutive form.

Than what? The names for God beggining with E that i know are El and Elohim and none of these forms happen in there.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2012, 05:12:04 PM »

I heard a priest say that Eli/Eloi was a diminutive like "tati" .  In romanian we have the word for father - tata , and affectively we say tati, which is also taken as "my father" ..
No, it's not a diminutive form.

Than what? The names for God beggining with E that i know are El and Elohim and none of these forms happen in there.
It's a suffix meaning "my".
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 06:06:10 PM »

The best explanation I read was that Jesus more likely said "Eli" than "Eloi" because the people thought He was calling for Elijah. I think that in Hebrew, Elijah is pronounced "Elia".

"Eli" sounds more like "Elia" than "Eloi" does, so it seems more likely He said "Eli".
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2012, 06:21:26 PM »

I heard a priest say that Eli/Eloi was a diminutive like "tati" .  In romanian we have the word for father - tata , and affectively we say tati, which is also taken as "my father" ..
No, it's not a diminutive form.

Than what? The names for God beggining with E that i know are El and Elohim and none of these forms happen in there.
Think of the the change from "stea" to "stelei" or "cal" and caii"

Btw, it should be noted that we are not talking about Hebrew or Aramaic, but a Greek transcription of Hebrew or Aramaic.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 09:02:13 PM »

"Eli" is Hebrew.  "Eloi" is Aramaic.  The rest of the phrase is Aramaic.
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2012, 01:13:50 AM »

My conversational German, let's be honest, German period, has gone to hell. Do mind posting everything you write in German as well, so that I can keep up the Bahnhofdeutsch I have left?

I would be glad to help you via PN, but posting everything in 2 languages would probably disturb the other users around here.

Than what? The names for God beggining with E that i know are El and Elohim and none of these forms happen in there.
It is the name "El". Adding -i to it means "my".
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