here it comes again!
and this time this same argument almost sounded like something that lady justice herself would say, just before executing her blind justice.
Now let us go back and read what you said and the context of which you said it.
The topic of discussion: Christians released and deported after months of being incarcerated and brutalized by Islamic theocracy for no other reason than practicing their Christian faith in private
A. The Saudis are more pragmatic than vindictive,
This in the face of what they have done to those Christians and many others like them for no other crime than having a Christian faith and practicing it private.http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/01/30/saudi-arabia-christians-arrested-private-prayer
And the have a multi billion investments in Ethiopia to protect
This knowing full well that to the Ethiopian government those prisoners mean nothing.that business has and will continue as usual, nor was any attempt ever made by the Ethiopian government to appeal for the case of those prisoners. Still you pitched their release and deportation to the benevolent interference of Ethiopian government which will use its trade negotiations to appeal for the prisoners, in truth does not give a hoot about them…. Interesting this is not the first time you argued about the Saudi’s trade investments as if it is tied to their nicety to Ethiopians who work in Saudi or that the dictatorial regime cares enough about those workers to negotiate for the protection of their human rights. You know the facts on the ground are not that way, yet you keep on arguing this same argument over and over again. Even now when we know who was the force behind the release and deportation of the Ethiopians, and it is not even remotely the Ethiopian government’s influence of any sort. Yet you still go on and on about the trade and its none existing human right respecting preconditions.
the point being made : peaceful Christians are being persecuted by Islamic Theocracy for no other reason than practicing their faith.
B. there are well over three dozen political prisoners in Ethiopia today are Orthodox Christians, so it goes both ways.
Religious persecution of Orthodox Christians goes both ways as in Saudi so in Ethiopia? Or the politicians in prison for their political conviction and fight with the government are imprisoned for their orthodox Christian faith?
This is a lie, why? because it is not true lol . That at least you have admitted that there is no religious persecution in Ethiopia that one will be imprisoned for purely worshiping the god and religion of one’s choice.
now we have cleared that up, You have said that you mentioned the political prisoners to pray for them. This would have been wonderful! Truly a beautiful thing a Christian thing to do! And I am more than willing to join that prayer if it was that
kind of prayer. Yet in your initial point B you only prayed for Christians that are persecuted, had your intent was only to pray for all those political prisoners because injustice to one is injustice to all, and to remind all of us that we need to do more to fight against injustice from every angel , then you would have prayed for the Animists, for the atheists, for the Catholics, For the Protestants for the Muslims who are political prisoners same as the Orthodox Christian politicians. Yet your point was not to shine light over one type of injustice that was being done by a politicaly dictatorial government in Ethiopia, no you want to insinuate that Christians are being persecuted for their orthodox Faith in Ethiopia , so the only political prisoners that were mentioned by you in that statement were orthodox Christians. Why ? because following your ‘’ it goes both ways’’ speech we are invited to say oh Orthodox Christians are being persecuted for their faith in Ethiopia too! If you were thinking of the injustice for all then why exclude the rest from that prayer for political prisoners hmm?
The political prisoners in Ethiopia are Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Animist, atheists etc. If you are indeed praying for ALL political prisoners as you later on
claimed, then let us pray for all of them as political prisoners, not persecuted Christians for the sake of Christianity
since that will make liars out of us. Regardless of your denial the Orthodox Church makes the differentiation between those who are martyred for the faith and those for politics as what unites them is their politics not their religion. so your insinuation that they are the same kind of persecution is a blatant distortion of truth.
still all the same, for credible fight against injustice you need to name what is being done and by whom it is being done, so show the same curtsey that you would show the political prisoners in naming who is doing the persecution of Christians for their Christianity.
Are the politicians persecuted, to use your definition regarding Christian persecution; are they all also being persecuted by only one person i.e. Satan. Or are there humans out there operating as governments with ideologies such as militant Islam or is this also in our hateful folk’s imagination?
These peaceful Christian men and women all over the world who show us what it means to live one’s faith under deprivation, humiliation, and torture even to the point of death, are being told by their brethren that their case is the same as political agitators of various cause. They are told, what makes you different from the politician over there who is in prison for political opposition of his counterpart from the other party, who are both baptized orthodox Christians. So oh well don’t make a big deal about your religious persecution, we got politicians imprisoned unjustly who also happen to be baptized orthodox Christians in here so our politicians here can claim both political and religious persecution. you don’t agree? Well too bad! The sun will rise in the west before we say islamists are persecuting Christians, we rather say the only person
persecuting Christians is THE DEVIL SATAN, and he is usually in their heads and hearts.
So now, you claim you initially prayed for all political prisoners, as being Christians facing persecution a very elegant play of words, yet my friend, we cannot forget that all political prisoners are not Christians, if all political prisoners were Christians then and only then perhaps we might have said , there is a religious persecution of the political prisoners, yet that is neither happening nor are they facing their persecution for being Christians.
Which begs the question why the purposeful distortion of meaning here? Point B argues, there are political prisoners who are orthodox Christians, which makes what the Saudis have done the same thing, and in that it goes both ways, then addressing point B you pray still insinuating Christian persecution for the Christian faith, which in your later argument have elevated to being for All political prisoners of all religions, but we all can see in the initial statement it was not so. In fighting injustice none here will contradict you that injustice to one is injustice to all, that political prisoners and all those who hunger and thirst for justice matter. Yet each case is unique in its nature, and here we are addressing Islamic persecution of Christians specifically. Your insistence in preaching to the choir in the nature of injustice while you create an unrealistic identicalness of religious persecution of Christians with the political persecution politicians of a country; All for the sake of diversion that you finally succeeded in claiming , IT ALL HAPPENS EVERYWHERE IN THE SAME MANNER Ethiopians do it, Saudis do it, and you noble sir, are happy to say anything as long as it takes the attention from the main issue this event brought to light i.e. Islamic brutality that is going on all over the world where Islam feels free to be itself. That part will never get discussed the facts never analyised with the precise focus they require, the suffering endured by the victims never fully appreciated, because there are those among us , who do what you do.
Bravo! That’s how far your zeal for justice stretches and I am astounded by it.
This Ethiopian who have known firsthand what islamists have done to my countrymen and my Christian brethren all over the world, have followed your argument for a while now concerning your stance on radical Islam and its persecution of Christians, and I do understand you very well. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,41642.0.html
I have not assumed anything; I simply read what you wrote.
on a side note regarding this issue... real life for those who face the religious persecution is very real than the internet, and it is not an issue that only Ethiopian Christians are dealing with , it is something that can no longer be ignored, it makes sure it is not ignored, that it must be seriously debated, for what it really is, not for the fabricated mask of peace and love some put on it. the sooner everyone takes on a serious look at it , the sooner we figure out a right and enduring way of dealing with the issue and perhaps even one that includes the participation of moderate Muslims who value peaceful coexistence , individual freedom, and most importantly who know first hand what Islamic government is.