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Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:38:01 AM »
http://youtu.be/epwznxJ8zaE

What in the world was the Priest thinking? It is good to at least see Putin retracting his hand recognizing that was a wrong gesture.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2012, 11:57:58 AM »
http://youtu.be/epwznxJ8zaE

What in the world was the Priest thinking? It is good to at least see Putin retracting his hand recognizing that was a wrong gesture.

Perhaps the priest is a monarchist and would like to hear this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWY-9UihgYg

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2012, 12:04:03 PM »
http://youtu.be/epwznxJ8zaE

What in the world was the Priest thinking? It is good to at least see Putin retracting his hand recognizing that was a wrong gesture.

Perhaps the priest is a monarchist and would like to hear this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWY-9UihgYg

I think you are right.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2012, 12:06:29 PM »
I called it a while ago.  Mark my words.  There will be a sizable contingent that will seek to glorify Putin once he dies.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2012, 12:09:50 PM »
A true monarchist would recognize Russia's rightful Empress and not accord royal honors to Putin.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2012, 12:11:12 PM »
I love the look on Putin's face

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2012, 12:22:26 PM »
I called it a while ago.  Mark my words.  There will be a sizable contingent that will seek to glorify Putin once he dies.

Like those that have made icons of Josef Stalin and tried to have him glorified as a saint of the Orthodox church.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2012, 12:54:47 PM »
I called it a while ago.  Mark my words.  There will be a sizable contingent that will seek to glorify Putin once he dies.

Not saying I would support it, but what would be the difference between glorifying him and glorifying Constantine or Vladimir the Great? Sure those men did terrible things, but they also did a lot for the Church. While it seems ridiculous to most of us, there is definitely precedence for it.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2012, 12:57:30 PM »
And what has Putin done for the Church?

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2012, 01:08:29 PM »
Not saying I would support it, but what would be the difference between glorifying him and glorifying Constantine or Vladimir the Great?
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2012, 01:10:13 PM »
And what has Putin done for the Church?

Not saying he himself has done a lot, but some people could make the argument (whether right or wrong) that he was partially responsible for the resurgence of the Church & the reconstruction/construction of thousands of Churches in Russia.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2012, 01:11:02 PM »
Not saying I would support it, but what would be the difference between glorifying him and glorifying Constantine or Vladimir the Great?
They were gentiles.

I don't really understand what you are saying, they both were baptized during their lives, and were Orthodox Christians.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2012, 01:17:13 PM »
I don't really understand what you are saying, they both were baptized during their lives, and were Orthodox Christians.
There is a difference between Orthodox Russia and Pagan Rome or Pagan Kiev, even counting in Communism.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2012, 01:19:05 PM »
I don't really understand what you are saying, they both were baptized during their lives, and were Orthodox Christians.
There is a difference between Orthodox Russia and Pagan Rome or Pagan Kiev, even counting in Communism.

That is very true... Like I said, I'm not in support of that cause, but I'm saying it isn't entirely impossible, especially when it is the Russian Church alone which would be responsible for canonizing him.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2012, 01:55:44 PM »
A true monarchist would recognize Russia's rightful Empress and not accord royal honors to Putin.

You are right of course. But, will that stop Putin or his supporters?

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2012, 02:02:05 PM »
Maybe the priest was taking a fool-for-Christ track and was actually making an anti-Putin statement. Either way, I enjoy the look of horror on Putin's face.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2012, 02:22:59 PM »
This has increased my respect for Putin by 10%.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2012, 02:35:30 PM »
A true monarchist would recognize Russia's rightful Empress and not accord royal honors to Putin.

You are right of course. But, will that stop Putin or his supporters?

Does the pope poop in the woods?

Of course it will not stop us!

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2012, 02:40:37 PM »
Maybe the priest was taking a fool-for-Christ track and was actually making an anti-Putin statement. Either way, I enjoy the look of horror on Putin's face.

Yes, that would be the most probable option.

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2012, 03:58:00 PM »
Does he look pissed off or embarrassed? I can't tell.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2012, 04:14:31 PM »
And what has Putin done for the Church?

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The vast construction and restoration of churches, started in 1990s, continued under Putin, and the state allowed the teaching of religion in schools (parents are provided with a choice for their children to learn the basics of one of the traditional religions or secular ethics). His approach to religious policy has been characterised as one of support for religious freedoms, but also the attempt to unify different religions under the authority of the state.[155]
Putin meeting with religious leaders of Russia in 2001

Putin regularly attends the most important services of the Russian Orthodox Church on the main Orthodox Christian holidays. He established a good relationship with Patriarchs of the Russian Church, the late Alexy II of Moscow and the current Kirill of Moscow. As President, he took an active personal part in promoting the Act of Canonical Communion with the Moscow Patriarchate, signed 17 May 2007 that restored relations between the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia after the 80-year schism.[156]

Putin and United Russia enjoy high electoral support in the national republics of Russia, in particular in the Muslim-majority republics of Povolzhye and the North Caucasus.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2012, 04:15:14 PM »
He looks freaked out to me, like he's almost visibly shaking from being wierded out.  
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2012, 07:19:05 PM »
He looks freaked out to me, like he's almost visibly shaking from being wierded out.  

Right; that hand-kissing was entirely too early in Putin's timeline.

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2012, 07:19:58 AM »
And what has Putin done for the Church?
What  :o how can you even say that. As of right now he's got them pesky cutie Pussy Riot punk group on trail for there acts done in the Church. Isn't that enough for you right there Michal :P

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2012, 09:38:07 AM »
And what has Putin done for the Church?
What  :o how can you even say that. As of right now he's got them pesky cutie Pussy Riot punk group on trail for there acts done in the Church. Isn't that enough for you right there Michal :P

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2012, 01:49:12 PM »
Hopefully they are on a trail of tears ending in Siberia.

Does that mean WASPs should send all EO converts to Guantanamo? Are you packed already?

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2012, 01:53:39 PM »
Hopefully they are on a trail of tears ending in Siberia.

Does that mean WASPs should send all EO converts to Guantanamo? Are you packed already?

Even leaving aside the important distinction between true and false religions, converting to a different faith is not on a level with entering a holy site and committing gross sacrilege and blasphemy.

Do you honestly think my not being Catholic is the same sort of thing as if I walked into a Catholic church, marched up to the altar, and began insulting the Catholic religion and calumniating the holy figures of Catholicism?
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2012, 02:08:28 PM »
Do you honestly think my not being Catholic is the same sort of thing as if I walked into a Catholic church, marched up to the altar, and began insulting the Catholic religion and calumniating the holy figures of Catholicism?

Those women did not march in the altar, did not insult the Orthodox Church and did not calumniate the holy figures of Orthodoxy.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2012, 02:09:12 PM »
Maybe the priest was taking a fool-for-Christ track and was actually making an anti-Putin statement. Either way, I enjoy the look of horror on Putin's face.

I sincerely hope so.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2012, 02:21:48 PM »
Do you honestly think my not being Catholic is the same sort of thing as if I walked into a Catholic church, marched up to the altar, and began insulting the Catholic religion and calumniating the holy figures of Catholicism?

Those women did not march in the altar, did not insult the Orthodox Church and did not calumniate the holy figures of Orthodoxy.

Is Archbishop Cranmer's statement in the third paragraph of this post (http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2012/08/free-pussy-riot.html), which I would reproduce except that these are the public forums and I don't know the rules about profanity here, inaccurate, then? Admittedly, they were at least (from what I can tell) on the people's side of the iconostasis, but if they sang what it appears Cranmer said they sang (his wording is not the clearest), they insulted Patriarch Kyrill and the Mother of God, and, of course, committed an act of extreme disrespect by staging their performance (its content aside) in the Cathedral at all, much less immediately in front of the iconostasis, and (though correct me if I've misapprehended), if I'm not mistaken, the Royal Gates themselves.

In any case, one can hardly claim a "right" to enter a church and perform any kind of music against the wishes of church authorities, can one?
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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2012, 02:40:43 PM »
They did not insult Theotokos. And Patriarch Cyrill is not "a holy figure of Orthodoxy".

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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2012, 02:56:47 PM »
Hopefully they are on a trail of tears ending in Siberia.

Does that mean WASPs should send all EO converts to Guantanamo? Are you packed already?

Non sequitor.  EO converts are not Rioting Cats

Besides, there really aren't that many WASPs left.  I am a WIGO, for instance.

And no, I am not packed yet.  I am going on vacation tomorrow morning, so thanks for reminding me.
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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2012, 03:24:27 PM »
And what has Putin done for the Church?
Bravo!  It is the Church that has done too much for Putin.

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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2012, 03:25:28 PM »
They did not insult Theotokos. And Patriarch Cyrill is not "a holy figure of Orthodoxy".
Again we need to be reminded that their performance was seconds in length.  Was there even a service going on at the time?

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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2012, 03:50:26 PM »
Was there even a service going on at the time?

No, it wasn't. The Church was opened for tourists.
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2012, 04:02:29 PM »
I don't see what the problem is. So he showed a gesture of respect to a political leader who is an Orthodox Christian. What's the big deal? The Russian Orthodox Church has always been overly dependent and too close upon the national leaders. Plus, how is this any different than St. Constantine or St. Vladimir who each did some pretty crappy things yet are still recognized as Saints?
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2012, 04:26:30 PM »
I don't see what the problem is. So he showed a gesture of respect to a political leader who is an Orthodox Christian. What's the big deal? The Russian Orthodox Church has always been overly dependent and too close upon the national leaders. Plus, how is this any different than St. Constantine or St. Vladimir who each did some pretty crappy things yet are still recognized as Saints?

I think Putin is a crypto-Protestant.
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2012, 04:36:24 PM »
I don't see what the problem is. So he showed a gesture of respect to a political leader who is an Orthodox Christian. What's the big deal? The Russian Orthodox Church has always been overly dependent and too close upon the national leaders. Plus, how is this any different than St. Constantine or St. Vladimir who each did some pretty crappy things yet are still recognized as Saints?

I think Putin is a crypto-Protestant.

Hey!  I see what you're doing!   :police:
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2012, 04:55:09 PM »
I don't see what the problem is. So he showed a gesture of respect to a political leader who is an Orthodox Christian. What's the big deal? The Russian Orthodox Church has always been overly dependent and too close upon the national leaders. Plus, how is this any different than St. Constantine or St. Vladimir who each did some pretty crappy things yet are still recognized as Saints?

I think Putin is a crypto-Protestant.

Hey!  I see what you're doing!   :police:

I have no idea what you're talking about. ;)
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2012, 05:26:59 PM »
I don't see what the problem is. So he showed a gesture of respect to a political leader who is an Orthodox Christian. What's the big deal? The Russian Orthodox Church has always been overly dependent and too close upon the national leaders. Plus, how is this any different than St. Constantine or St. Vladimir who each did some pretty crappy things yet are still recognized as Saints?

I think Putin is a crypto-Protestant.

So was Peter the Great but the Russian Orthodox Church still had close ties to him.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2012, 06:43:11 PM »
I don't see what the problem is. So he showed a gesture of respect to a political leader who is an Orthodox Christian. What's the big deal? The Russian Orthodox Church has always been overly dependent and too close upon the national leaders. Plus, how is this any different than St. Constantine or St. Vladimir who each did some pretty crappy things yet are still recognized as Saints?

I think Putin is a crypto-Protestant.

So was Peter the Great but the Russian Orthodox Church still had close ties to him.

Which did the Church a great deal of harm.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2012, 08:46:07 PM »
I don't see what the problem is. So he showed a gesture of respect to a political leader who is an Orthodox Christian. What's the big deal? The Russian Orthodox Church has always been overly dependent and too close upon the national leaders. Plus, how is this any different than St. Constantine or St. Vladimir who each did some pretty crappy things yet are still recognized as Saints?

I think Putin is a crypto-Protestant.

Hey!  I see what you're doing!   :police:

I have no idea what you're talking about. ;)

Don't try to pull the wool over my eyes!  I am way too perceptive for that!   8)
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2012, 09:49:15 PM »
His expression looks like he is thinking, "What are you doing?" followed by a successful attempt not to hit him.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2012, 06:16:17 PM »
They did not insult Theotokos. And Patriarch Cyrill is not "a holy figure of Orthodoxy".

Oh, then I misunderstood Cranmer's words. And my point with the Catholic example was not to make a 1:1 correlation, but to show the difference between disrespecting and/or insulting a religion in its own holy places and merely not belonging to that religion.

If Cranmer's explanation of what they said, or my interpretation of the same, was inaccurate, I will temporarily withhold criticism (although I am prejudiced against "punk" anything in front of the altar) until such time as I can ascertain what it was their "prayer" said (I don't speak Russian, so any help here would be much appreciated.)
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2012, 07:00:55 PM »
Brother Nathanael may kiss Putin's hand.  He loves that guy. 

I like this monk.  Very entertaining to watch and interesting ideas he has.
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2012, 01:51:06 AM »
Maybe the priest was taking a fool-for-Christ track and was actually making an anti-Putin statement. Either way, I enjoy the look of horror on Putin's face.

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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2012, 02:03:47 AM »
Quote from: Pravmir.com
A monk at the Valaam Monastery in northwestern Russia explained why he had kissed Vladimir Putin’s hand during the Russian president’s visit, the monastery’s spokesman Mikhail Shishkov said on Tuesday.


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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2012, 02:52:34 AM »
Putin is immortal!
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Re: Orthodox Priest kisses Putin's hand... What was he thinking?
« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2012, 09:13:22 AM »
Hopefully they are on a trail of tears ending in Siberia.

Does that mean WASPs should send all EO converts to Guantanamo? Are you packed already?

I don't get this ^^ comparison. The group in question isn't on trial for converting from Orthodoxy to a different denomination.
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