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Offline Pan Michał

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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #90 on: August 06, 2012, 11:38:05 AM »
How do you know he was called Yeshoua?

Is Christianity magic? That is, when you spoke the name or incantation sounding not quite the same as the original, will not the magic work, or will the magical deity get upset?

If someone would call you not, say "John", but "Janek", but meant you, wouldn't he be calling you and would you not answer his call? Would you be upset if he's calling you with his mother's tongue?
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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #91 on: August 06, 2012, 11:39:39 AM »
^Also, ONLY the Orthodox Church prays in the name of the Lord as given in Rev. 19.13:  Μονογενὴς Υἱὸς καὶ Λόγος τοῦ Θεοῦ

"The Word of God".

You are right the EO church does pray to this.
But you are wrong many other Christian faiths pray to this.

The "Word became flesh".
The "fleshes name" was Yeshua.
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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #92 on: August 06, 2012, 11:42:23 AM »

The "Word became flesh".
The "fleshes name" was Yeshua.

Do you know what does "logos" mean in ancient Greek and what "fields" does it cover, thus why was He called "Logos"?

Was the "fleshes name" Yeshua? Or was the person's name Yeshua? Was He a person, a spirit, or a flesh, or both? If both, how was He called before He became Yeshua? If flesh, how was the Spirit called? Was there two persons in Yeshua?

St. John the Theologos knew exactly what he was doing, when he wrote about Yeshua's name.
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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #93 on: August 06, 2012, 12:50:04 PM »

I believe my points bother many Eastern Orthodox Christians because they know there IS validity to what I am saying, but in order to say it would work somewhat against "how the EO church does things".   "The church is the church, and the church is right, period no matter what".

It's like "God forbid you want to actually call him by his correctly pronounced name".

No one's saying that calling the Word of God Yeshua is wrong. It's just not the ONLY name to ascribe to him.

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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #94 on: August 06, 2012, 12:51:17 PM »
The man in the video pronounces everything in a heavy American accent. He even gets the ח at the end of משיח wrong. ח is a heavy (and very noticable) h sound, equivalent to the Arabic ح, yet this guy omits it altogether, saying "Mashia" rather than "Mashiaḥ". In other words, this guy clearly hasn't got a clue about the pronunciation of Semitic languages, and citing him as an authority doesn't exactly help your argument.
The fact that he warns against saying "Jesus" because "sus" sounds like "Zeus" is beyond stupid, and only vaguely works in English. This guy is clueless.
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the Classical pronunciation of the name of Zeus with the diphthong Zeh-oos, was long gone by Jesus' time, in Koine Greek, Zeus was pronounced as Zeh-fs, the cluster -eu in Koine Greek had shifted pronunciation and was pronounced the same way we pronounce it in Modern Greek, as the devoiced ev sound.
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Ἰησοῦς ≠ Ζεῦς
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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #95 on: August 06, 2012, 12:56:54 PM »
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you want, use the accents or not, written or not... whatever.  It doesn't matter to me.  The name of Yeshua is incredibly close if not exact to what he was called.  The transliteration of "Jesus" is phonetically VERY far from what he was called from his mother.
Several people here have already acknowledged that he was probably called Yeshua.

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I believe my points bother many Eastern Orthodox Christians because they know there IS validity to what I am saying, but in order to say it would work somewhat against "how the EO church does things".   "The church is the church, and the church is right, period no matter what".
Why does it seem like that almost every time we don't agree with you, it's because we are "scared" of going againts the Church. Could it be that most of us just don't agree that pronouncing Christ's name as it was done 2000 years ago is such an important issue as you think it is.
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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #96 on: August 06, 2012, 01:49:46 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


So would Our Lord mind if I call Him Josh ;)

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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #97 on: August 06, 2012, 06:48:18 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


So would Our Lord mind if I call Him Josh ;)

stay blessed,
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Exactly my point.   :)

I'm NOT calling people wrong for saying Jesus.  I personally see it as a weaker transliteration.  That's all.
I just thought it was ironic that somebody would use the name in a bad manner, and its not even his name.  I hear people say it all the time - "Jesus Christ".   I think "If you only knew his real name, you'd be educated not to take it in vain".   

It's just irony folks.  I do not think you are incorrect, but just using a weaker translation.

I don't know if it matters to God.  I know we were commanded to pray in his name. 

Please forgive if I've offended in this thread.  Wasn't my intent, I just saw irony.  It is also my opinion that saying "Jesus" is a weaker translation.  Of course, I won't budge from this, but I don't think people are wrong who say it.

The question that would remain is if I believe EO Christians should say "Yeshua" rather than "Jesus".   I believe that the English speaking churches should under the guidance of their bishops.  But if not - I guess they just don't, its up to them. 

But please brothers & sisters, there are bigger fish to fry than my opinion on this matter.  I very well could be wrong as I am a fallible person.   I try my best to seek truth in the mind that God created me with. 

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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #98 on: August 06, 2012, 06:52:33 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!



So would Our Lord mind if I call Him Josh ;)

stay blessed,
habte selassie

Exactly my point.   :)


My brother, you may have missed mine  :-X

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God bless.

Amen!

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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2012, 07:00:52 PM »
I am sorry for an overly-emotional tone in my posts, yeshuaisiam.

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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #100 on: August 06, 2012, 07:12:18 PM »
I am sorry for an overly-emotional tone in my posts, yeshuaisiam.

Please forgive me.    Sometimes I get caught up in things and its just delves too far into stuff.

We are all trying to achieve the same target & goal, salvation.  Please everybody else forgive me.  I should have restrained my quick tongue ... um.... fingertips blurting out opinions.
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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #101 on: August 06, 2012, 07:16:08 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Please everybody else forgive me. 
Even though there is no need, please consider it kindly done my brother :)



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Re: The name "Jesus Christ" used pejoratively.
« Reply #102 on: August 06, 2012, 07:17:11 PM »
Please forgive me.    Sometimes I get caught up in things and its just delves too far into stuff.

We are all trying to achieve the same target & goal, salvation.  Please everybody else forgive me.  I should have restrained my quick tongue ... um.... fingertips blurting out opinions.

We all do this, eventually, it's nothing :). Good night, for in the Realm Of Everlasting Unspeakable Heat, which is politely called Summer Time In The Republic Of Poland, it's 01:18 am, and I have to get up quite early - so, as Romanians say, ceau!