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« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2012, 11:41:50 AM »

I'll boycott Chick-Fil-A on Sunday
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« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2012, 11:44:21 AM »

^What about the other days of the week?
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« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2012, 11:45:18 AM »

^What about the other days of the week?

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« Reply #93 on: July 30, 2012, 11:47:48 AM »


Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
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« Reply #94 on: July 30, 2012, 11:58:54 AM »

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.
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« Reply #95 on: July 30, 2012, 12:03:10 PM »


Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
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« Reply #96 on: July 30, 2012, 12:33:13 PM »

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?
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« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2012, 12:39:28 PM »

Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
I'm going Tueday.  Again.
make sure it's before vespers; also are you aware to what extent the southern baptist co venting and organizations associated with it ( to which is reasonable to think our pro-family filthy capitalist donates) is involved in proselytism in eastern Europe ? They built a very large university in Oradea ( Romania) for instance,
Yes, I'm well aware.  I also know the Baptist missionary to Romania who serves now  as priest in the Romanian Patriarchal Cathedral.  Pure Gold Fears No Fire.

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« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2012, 12:41:24 PM »

^What about the other days of the week?
I think its a joke: they are not open on Sunday.
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« Reply #99 on: July 30, 2012, 12:41:31 PM »

"$3 million in contributions that the Cathy family foundation has made to conservative organizations such as the Family Research Council."

"The Rev. Roger Oldham, spokesman for the Southern Baptist Convention, said many Christians want to support businesses owned by fellow believers, and the loyalty intensifies 'when Christians see a fellow Christian being persecuted."

LOL.

From fail news: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/27/chick-fil-sandwiches-become-political-symbol/
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« Reply #100 on: July 30, 2012, 12:48:20 PM »

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h
You know, the concept "of entry level job" isn't all that hard to grasp.
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« Reply #101 on: July 30, 2012, 12:51:37 PM »


Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
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« Reply #102 on: July 30, 2012, 01:15:25 PM »

Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.
Neither should he happening.
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« Reply #103 on: July 30, 2012, 02:44:48 PM »

^What about the other days of the week?
I think its a joke: they are not open on Sunday.

Oh, I know. I just wanted to see if the boycott would extend to when they are actually open.
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Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.
One thing I respect you for it's that you-as far as I remember, hope I'm not wrong- don't hide your dislike of "sodomites" behind smarmy pious phrases like " love the sinner., hate the sin".
You though, ignore the fact that according to the prophet Ezekiel, the label "sodomites" is more fitting to capitalists, you know those that oppress the widows, orphans, strangers and workers.
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« Reply #105 on: July 30, 2012, 02:58:21 PM »

Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to  all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.
I'm going Tueday.  Again.
make sure it's before vespers; also are you aware to what extent the southern baptist co venting and organizations associated with it ( to which is reasonable to think our pro-family filthy capitalist donates) is involved in proselytism in eastern Europe ? They built a very large university in Oradea ( Romania) for instance,
Yes, I'm well aware.  I also know the Baptist missionary to Romania who serves now  as priest in the Romanian Patriarchal Cathedral.  Pure Gold Fears No Fire.

Better them than the socialists and the secularists.
That's a very rare exception. Met that priest a couple of times, he even preached in his baptist days in my hometown, I found out.
He's so rare a phenomenon that even the local newspaper ("Adevarul" back then) wrote about it when it happened.
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« Reply #106 on: July 30, 2012, 03:28:44 PM »

Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.
Neither should he happening.

And many homosexuals who have gotten married are now divorced.

"Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize he was last month's life partner." I can imagine the conversations.
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« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2012, 04:32:48 PM »

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.  Wink


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And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.
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« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2012, 04:32:48 PM »

Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.

Just not true unless you buy false definitions. If a Gay person is Married  there are no separate requirements.


Only when they attempt to form a faux Marriage to each other are there extra requirements, but the whole thing is a sham to begin with.

I have known many couples over the years where one of them is Homosexual ( most often the man). Sometimes they can work it out, sometimes not. Marriage is a rough game.

This entire political issue focuses only on one segment of the Homosexual community as if that is all there is. Gay people marry the opposite sex have children and lead a normal life all the time. .. None of them count.  How many RCC Priests are Gay? Only one Gay culture counts it seems.

So many things to say...
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They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list.



Because we all know that if you stay at Chik-Fil-A for 365 days, you get promoted to regional supervisor.
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« Reply #110 on: July 30, 2012, 05:08:21 PM »

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
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Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
You know, in Chicago you cannot live on that pay. You can precariously subsist and sleep on friends' sofas or  in the CTA  cars etc. Just took a friend in that makes something short of $9/h. The sabbath was made for man and all that. I know there is no solution for this within the current system. It's still annoying that this Cathy scumbag thinks he's a paragon of Christianity. No, his and his ilk's sins cry out to heavan for vengeance.
You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.

Really?  Ezekial might disagree (read 16:49,50).  Oh, I forgot for a moment; the only sin in Sodom was that all the guys were gay, not any of those things the prophets mention...
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« Reply #112 on: July 30, 2012, 08:10:29 PM »

If all the guys were gay, it makes you wonder why it was worth destroying. Only scenario I can think of is that a lot of people were moving into the city and all the guys were catching gay germs.
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« Reply #113 on: July 30, 2012, 09:23:13 PM »

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...

Impossible to live on?  You're making a lot of assumptions with this.  First, you assume that everyone who works there lives by him/herself that there is no spouse or that they are youngsters who don't live with parents/guardians.  Second, it's amazing what people in poverty have in their possessions (see below).  Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 

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« Reply #114 on: July 30, 2012, 09:48:39 PM »

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list.



Because we all know that if you stay at Chik-Fil-A for 365 days, you get promoted to regional supervisor.

She worked her way up. I'm pretty sure that's how it's supposed to be done.. Nice woman. I don't think she went Harvard.
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« Reply #115 on: July 31, 2012, 02:04:19 AM »

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...

Impossible to live on?  You're making a lot of assumptions with this.  First, you assume that everyone who works there lives by him/herself that there is no spouse or that they are youngsters who don't live with parents/guardians.  Second, it's amazing what people in poverty have in their possessions (see below).  Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 



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« Reply #116 on: July 31, 2012, 05:32:49 AM »

I would get a Chick Fil A if I lived in america solely to support them against those who want to boycott them from gasp, holding a non politcally correct opinion.

Quite frankly I think government should stay out of marraige totally.
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« Reply #118 on: July 31, 2012, 09:51:29 AM »


Augustin, you have no idea about economics.  What should he hire a cashier for?  $10/hr?  $15/hr?  What?  Shouldn't the pay be measured against the skill one is employed for?  Are you saying that a person who works at a cashier should have the same hourly wage as say myself who works as a Nodal Voice Services Manager for AT&T?  I'd love to hear your "justification" on that.
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You are confused.  He's against the sodomites.

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Read Jude 7 (and the first half of Ezekial 16, all that sexual immorality stuff).

And look up the traditional lists of "sins that cry out to heaven": they include promotion of homosexual behavior.  They don't include failure to promote socialism.
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« Reply #119 on: July 31, 2012, 10:00:05 AM »

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).
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They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text? 
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).

On the other hand, I don't think the central tenet of Christianity is "Every Man For Himself"

I read somewhere that there are two camps. There are the American Evangelical types who beleive in the above. Rugged individualism vs  emphasis on Community, helping others..caring about others before yourself.

Individual salvation vs. we are all in it together.
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If Chick-Fil-A wants to say that, I say let them. It doesnt matter. If you're angry about it, dont eat there.

I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

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I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

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I think you make a fair point. I was in a conversation with a few folks that were praising the mayors of Boston and Chicago, as well as those on collage campuses that seem to be attempting to put Chick-Fill-A out of business. (a couple locations or future contracts @ collages have already been closed or cancelled)

I asked how that differs from say a 'right wing Christian extremest hate group' that attempts to interupt the business of someone that promotes gay marriage.
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A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.
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« Reply #126 on: July 31, 2012, 10:08:00 PM »

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job.  

 
http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?


They are all the same. But, at least, the others don't rub their Christianity in your face like this.

Is that what really happened? They close on Sunday's and the CEO said he is against Homosexual Marriage.

But if a company stays open on Sunday and the CEO says he is for Gay Marriage is that rubbing a secular agenda in your face?

Do Restaurants owned by Orthodox Jews that close on Friday Saturday rubbing Judaism in your face?

Well Cathy did say that Chik-Fil-A is run on Biblical principles...one wonders which part of the Bible paying-people-a-wage-that-is-impossible-to-live-on values comes from...
Third, why do people like you who think that the Bible should not be read as a scientific text should/must be read as an economics text?  
What part of the Bible dictates that any and every job must pay enough to live off of year after year?

And no job is better?  It might come as a shock to you, but people open businesses to be in business, not to provide jobs (though they do that).

On the other hand, I don't think the central tenet of Christianity is "Every Man For Himself"

I read somewhere that there are two camps. There are the American Evangelical types who beleive in the above. Rugged individualism vs  emphasis on Community, helping others..caring about others before yourself.

Individual salvation vs. we are all in it together.

You set up a false dichotomy.  You can, and many do, be a rugged individualist and build up the community, help others and care about others before yourself.  In fact, most American Evangelical types I know manage to do all of the above.  Augustine's favorite parish, full of former Evangelicals continue to do all of the above.  Evidently that is how they earn his envy.

as for every man for himself: nearly every job I've been offered told me how much I'd be paid for it.  It it wasn't enough, I didn't accept it.  It didn't come as a surprise.  If I offered my services, I told them how much it would be up front.  Sometimes I offered them for free, and was given something anyways.  I don't find such things hard market principles to grasp.
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for those interested, here is a blog that an Anglican priest i know posted.  i thought he had some good thoughts, particularly the last paragraph...

http://thefatherbrown.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/chick-fil-a-and-my-sanctification/
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« Reply #128 on: July 31, 2012, 10:43:53 PM »

for those interested, here is a blog that an Anglican priest i know posted.  i thought he had some good thoughts, particularly the last paragraph...

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A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

I know a homosexual who feels the same way about both topics and gets odd looks when people find out he is a conservative.
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Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.
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« Reply #131 on: August 01, 2012, 12:09:13 AM »

I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

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I will add that this whole episode says alot about those who constantly bark ,"tolerance" all the time. Seems to me these same folks are pretty tolerant only of folks who share their opinions.

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I think you make a fair point. I was in a conversation with a few folks that were praising the mayors of Boston and Chicago, as well as those on collage campuses that seem to be attempting to put Chick-Fill-A out of business. (a couple locations or future contracts @ collages have already been closed or cancelled)

I asked how that differs from say a 'right wing Christian extremest hate group' that attempts to interupt the business of someone that promotes gay marriage.

I wish ASU would remove the Chick-Fill-A franchise from the student union, and replace it with something reasonably priced, like McDonald's, or Wendy's.
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A gay friend has voiced his annoyance with the 'gay agenda' for lack of a better term here. What's more, he has on more than one occasion stated that 'societies around the world from the beginning of time understood marriage to be one man, one woman'.

He's wrong; a vast portion, if not nearly all, societies understood marriage to be one man and however many women; others understood it to be one woman and one or more men.
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Yeah one man and a woman or one man an multiple women.

Or one woman and multiple men.
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