Gay Marriage, Testament laws, and Chick-Fil-A

[Shanghaiski]

In the alternate universe of culture warrior ism it,s heterosexuals that are discriminated most often by homosexuals.

Alternate? Like San Francisco?

[Shiny]

I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And how do you define "anti-gay rhetoric?" Would simply stating that homosexuality is a disorder or that the acts involved are sins be deemed by you "anti-gay rhetoric," even if there is no condemnation of persons or fomenting of violence or discrimination?

But see you are condemning homosexuals because you classify how they act as sinful. I don't think that's the right approach. but meh.

Look all I'm saying is CFA should be focused on running their business instead of using it as a platform to promote their beliefs.

Oh

"I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage... I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-gay-marriage-201108120--finance.html

When asked whether his company had an established position against marriage equality, Cathy said, "guilty as charged."

http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/07/17/chick-fil-coo-dan-cathy-officially-comes-out-antigay

Also Cathy is basically saying that "pro-family" doesn't involve families that are raised by gay couples, which is a ridiculous statement.

[Kerdy]

Chick-fil-a rocks!

[Kerdy]

I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And their anti-cow/anti-beef campaign is pure hate at its very core.  The audacity of some people!

[augustin717]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

[ialmisry]

I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And how do you define "anti-gay rhetoric?" Would simply stating that homosexuality is a disorder or that the acts involved are sins be deemed by you "anti-gay rhetoric," even if there is no condemnation of persons or fomenting of violence or discrimination?

But see you are condemning homosexuals because you classify how they act as sinful. I don't think that's the right approach. but meh.

Look all I'm saying is CFA should be focused on running their business instead of using it as a platform to promote their beliefs.

Oh

"I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage... I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-gay-marriage-201108120--finance.html

When asked whether his company had an established position against marriage equality, Cathy said, "guilty as charged."

http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/07/17/chick-fil-coo-dan-cathy-officially-comes-out-antigay

Also Cathy is basically saying that "pro-family" doesn't involve families that are raised by gay couples, which is a ridiculous statement.

oh, a study just recently slipped through substantiating the statement.

You did notice that Cathy "when asked" answered, not dodged, the question.

That the gay agenda has to hide what it is up too, much like abortion promoters, should serve as a warning.  "Marriage equality"-that's a lie.  I've seen them deny that they are for polygamy, and I doubt that they are for common law marriage.

[Shiny]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

I'm with you 100%. But you know with these types of Christians a reinterpretation of the verse in your sig, "easier for a camel in the eye of a needle". and all that. I once had a member from the same church Cathy belongs to explaining that the camel/needle verse is the most misinterpreted verse in the Bible and doesn't condemn at all rich people and that more money is a good thing.

But we will see how Cathy will buy his way into heaven with all his millions while his workers can't even live off of their own wages.

[Kerdy]

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week. 


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

It isn't homosexuals people have a problem with, its stupid homosexuals that get under peoples skin.  I, for instance, know several homosexuals and get along with them splendidly.  The militant, agenda pushing, over the top nuts jobs, however, hate me.

[Shiny]

But you know what, much like Christianity, you are free to interpret your sandwich in any way you want. Tangy barbecue (southern baptist), mayonnaise (methodist), ketchup (catholic), or even honey mustard (church of god). Or mix them all up in one horrible amalgamation.

[ialmisry]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

Can you point to a revolution that didn't "take care" of the hoi polloi first, and in greater numbers?  More peasants, for instance, were served up on the guillotine in the French Revolution (72%, i.e. almost a full three fourths, compared to 8% aristocrats, 6% clergy and 14% bourgeoisie), than the aristocrats (who could afford to just leave).

And there are plenty of of meaningful Christian millionaires, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Monaghan

[ialmisry]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

I'm with you 100%. But you know with these types of Christians a reinterpretation of the verse in your sig, "easier for a camel in the eye of a needle". and all that. I once had a member from the same church Cathy belongs to explaining that the camel/needle verse is the most misinterpreted verse in the Bible and doesn't condemn at all rich people and that more money is a good thing.

But we will see how Cathy will buy his way into heaven with all his millions while his workers can't even live off of their own wages.

what is with this idea that ALL jobs, not matter what, must pay enough to live off of?  Does that include the Lemonade stand the 10 year olds had that I frequented this week (imagine, capitalism in Manhattan)?

[Fr. Deacon Daniel]

I respect Mr. Cathy for standing up for what he believes in and promoting Christian values. Growing up in Atlanta and having met Mr. Cathy I can testify personally that he is a kind and loving person. One of the companies I freelance for provides audio/visual equipment and technical support for their conferences. I have never worked a conference, and believe me I have worked many, that promoted and maintains the level of Christian values that Chik-fil-A does.  

Honestly, the attack on Chick-Fil-A is typical of the anti-christian agenda, which dominates our media. Here is an article from WSJ. The company really does a lot to help the less fortunate. I also like the simple fact that they are closed on Sunday's. Obviously, Southern Baptist ideology and practices are not in line with traditional Christianity but nonetheless I admire the company for at least trying to do what they believe is right.

ATLANTA—Long before Chick-fil-A chief executive Dan Cathy's recent remarks regarding gay marriage, the Cathy family has been open and active supporters of Christian traditional marriage.

Through their WinShape Foundation, created in 1984, the owners of Chick-fil-A have donated millions to various causes, including Christian organizations dedicated to preserving traditional heterosexual marriages.

"They are very loving and caring people that want to serve others and help them move toward a healthy marriage," said Mark Pyatt, co-president of the National Institute of Marriage, a Branson, Mo.,-based Christian group that works with the WinShape Foundation, including holding monthly couples retreats at the foundation's center at Berry College, a Rome, Ga., Christian college. Chick-fil-A often refers workers, franchise owners and staff who are having problems with their marriage to the institute and other Christian groups focused on marriage.

The rest of the article can be read by here:  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577553341868014390.html



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[JamesRottnek]

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week. 


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them.  It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!

Evidently they shall dictate to you, what with how you choose to do things based on what the gays say.

[JamesRottnek]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

[Cognomen]

I don't know what this thread is about, but I'm on Chick-Fil-A's side.

[JamesRottnek]

Nobody should ever eat at Chick-Fil-A; it's mediocre food at expensive prices.

I ate there in grad school. They had an outlet in the cafeteria--perhaps it's been shut down by kiss-ins, I don't know now. But part of my job in the cafeteria was working there and in proximity to the place and after that, I didn't eat there because of cross-contamination issues. Perhaps real Chick-Fil-As not staffed by students are better run.

You know, the only Chik-Fil-A I've eaten at was also at a university, maybe that explains it (of course, nearly every other food establishment I've eaten at at ASU had perfectly fine food).

[JamesRottnek]

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week. 


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

It isn't homosexuals people have a problem with, its stupid homosexuals that get under peoples skin.  I, for instance, know several homosexuals and get along with them splendidly.  The militant, agenda pushing, over the top nuts jobs, however, hate me.

Kind of like the people who will go eat at Chik-Fil-A, when they've never before been there, just because the gays said not to...

[JamesRottnek]

nonetheless I admire the company for at least trying to do what they believe is right.

Do you admire Hitler and Stalin and Mao as well, for trying to do what they believe is right?  I see no reason to ever respect someone just because they try to do what they think is right.

[StGeorge]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

The juxtaposition of Cathy with Hitler and white supremacists is a bit extreme.  Cathy reiterated what is and has been the standard of the Judeo-Christian West for the past two millenia.  He moreover stated his views positively, without expressing any vitriol toward opposing views.

The liberal response, on the other hand, has been over the top.  Even Mayor Bloomberg, no conservative, has spoken against fellow liberal  mayors for banning Chick-fil-A from their cities on the basis of an owner's personal views.  

In my opinion, the liberals not only are showing their disapproval, but are actively seeking to punish those who disagree with them into moral submission.        

[Shiny]

edit to politics this goes.

[Shiny]

In my opinion, the liberals not only are showing their disapproval, but are actively seeking to punish those who disagree with them into moral submission.        

Exactly.

[Marc1152]

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week. 


Selam

I think if you check you may find this has nothing to do with being Liberal or Conservative. Some of the strongest opponents of Homosexual Marriage are the predominantly Black Church's which are also very much on the side of the Democratic Party.

[Fr. Deacon Daniel]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

The juxtaposition of Cathy with Hitler and white supremacists is a bit extreme.  Cathy reiterated what is and has been the standard of the Judeo-Christian West for the past two millenia.  He moreover stated his views positively, without expressing any vitriol toward opposing views.

The liberal response, on the other hand, has been over the top.  Even Mayor Bloomberg, no conservative, has spoken against fellow liberal  mayors for banning Chick-fil-A from their cities on the basis of an owner's personal views.  

In my opinion, the liberals not only are showing their disapproval, but are actively seeking to punish those who disagree with them into moral submission.        

That juxtaposition is not extreme it is totally nonsensical. Anyway, I'm not interested in debating or arguing. I do pray that Chick-Fil-A continues to hold to Christian values and not fall victim to the spirit of our times.

[Opus118]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

[Fr. Deacon Daniel]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.

[mersch]

What I don't understand is  why all the hoopla now over it. Mr Cathy has always let his beliefs known. It is no surprise, its old old news.

[scamandrius]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

[Marc1152]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 

[ialmisry]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?

No, elected officials (mayors) have called for banning the chain from doing business in their cities and in general drive them out of business, with not so veiled threats if its CEO doesn't change and get with the program.  Rahm Emmanuel can kiss my ****: my family was in Chicago for the fire and I'll be going to the Chicken-Fil-A Tuesday (Wednesday is a fast) to show "Chicago values."  Rahm seems to think he and Hussain and Rezko and Blago represent "chicago values."  One would think he'd be busy with stopping the killing going on in the city rather than preaching on the morality of fast food CEO's.



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[ialmisry]

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week. 


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them.  It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!

Evidently they shall dictate to you, what with how you choose to do things based on what the gays say.

This is our Stonewall.  This shall not stand.

[Kerdy]

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week. 


Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

It isn't homosexuals people have a problem with, its stupid homosexuals that get under peoples skin.  I, for instance, know several homosexuals and get along with them splendidly.  The militant, agenda pushing, over the top nuts jobs, however, hate me.

Kind of like the people who will go eat at Chik-Fil-A, when they've never before been there, just because the gays said not to...

How is this "kind of like" what I said?

[Kerdy]

nonetheless I admire the company for at least trying to do what they believe is right.

Do you admire Hitler and Stalin and Mao as well, for trying to do what they believe is right?  I see no reason to ever respect someone just because they try to do what they think is right.

So...respect no one?

[Kerdy]

But you know what, much like Christianity, you are free to interpret your sandwich in any way you want. Tangy barbecue (southern baptist), mayonnaise (methodist), ketchup (catholic), or even honey mustard (church of god). Or mix them all up in one horrible amalgamation.

Or plain (Orthodox), because it was the first version.

[ialmisry]

But you know what, much like Christianity, you are free to interpret your sandwich in any way you want. Tangy barbecue (southern baptist), mayonnaise (methodist), ketchup (catholic), or even honey mustard (church of god). Or mix them all up in one horrible amalgamation.

Or plain (Orthodox), because it was the first version.

But extra crispy.

[JamesR]

Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.

[ialmisry]

Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.

And....?

[JamesRottnek]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.

If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.

[JamesRottnek]

What I don't understand is  why all the hoopla now over it. Mr Cathy has always let his beliefs known. It is no surprise, its old old news.

As I understand it, there have been some people who have taken issue with him for quite some time; however, he did an interview for (I believe) Baptist News, earlier this month, and other news agencies picked up on the interview and this whole situation kind of blew up.

[podkarpatska]

This entire boycott business trend is a slippery slope when you have to add in the international nature of most large corporations doing business in the US. Many of them engage in actions which are violative of either US law or policy (i.e. setting up side companies to do business with say, Cuba or Iran or North Korea) or partnering or being supportive of governments like China or Pakistan whose law's are often the subject of international outrage - forced abortions, limits on the number of children, support of terrorism etc..etc..etc... Mr. Cathy is surely entitled to his beliefs as are we all (for the most part unless you are a Hitler or Mao or mass murderer acting on 'voices' from within - just to name a few....). Egregious examples of corporate policy being the basis of a proper and effective business boycott are probably few - the Woolworth lunch counter and southern bus examples of the 1950's and 1960's come to mind or Ghandi and salt - and the tactic should be sparingly recommended - hence it loses its ability to make an example out of something or someone. If I need to parse the personal opinions and beliefs of corporate CEO's before buying, watching, eating etc...I would never get anything done.

A great example is the connection between NewsCorporation, the Murdochs and political conservatives here and in the UK. The entertainment division of the company panders to the lowest common demoninators in order to prosper (just check out the drivel this summer masquerading as entertainment on the Fox Network as an example) while at the same time the news division constantly extolls the conservative cause and promotes values based commentators. Hypocrisy knows no bounds when it comes to making money.

I am not saying that making money is inherently evil or 'bad', just that you have to take stuff like this with a big grain of salt.

[Marc1152]

Hetero people can marry and divorce a week later but homosexuals who have been living together for years can't marry.

Just not true unless you buy false definitions. If a Gay person is Married  there are no separate requirements.


Only when they attempt to form a faux Marriage to each other are there extra requirements, but the whole thing is a sham to begin with.

I have known many couples over the years where one of them is Homosexual ( most often the man). Sometimes they can work it out, sometimes not. Marriage is a rough game.

This entire political issue focuses only on one segment of the Homosexual community as if that is all there is. Gay people marry the opposite sex have children and lead a normal life all the time. .. None of them count.  How many RCC Priests are Gay? Only one Gay culture counts it seems.

[katherineofdixie]

I am increasingly puzzled by the notion that having a different opinion about something is being phobic or spiteful or oppressive.

Btw, my 85-yr-old mother and her 90-yr-old friend plan to eat at Chick-fil-A on Wednesday. Neither one is doing it to spite anyone.

[StGeorge]

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

How have liberals showed intolerance for free speech?  Was anyone demanding the CEO be put in jail over his comments, or were people just expressing disgust at what he said?  If he had said "I really wish Hitler was still around," would you think everyone who boycotted him was intolerant of free speech, or merely showing their disapproval of the ideals the man has?  Your comment is as absurd as college newspapers that print ads for white supremacists, because the white supremacists have freedom of speech.

Thank you James. I still do not know what this thread is about. I do not know who said what and what is being argued against. As far as I know there is no central and accepted voice for the LGBTQ community to justify the tenor of this thread. I am willing to learn if someone wants to start including names of who I should pay attention to. If you go back through this thread and not see a mob-like hysteria with no finger pointing to particular people and instead settling on a whole group of people, please let me know what post I missed.

And yes, without additional and specific facts that are currently lacking I find this thread appalling .

Greetings Opus,

If you would like to read an article regarding the Orthodox Christian view on homosexuality this one is pretty good. There are many others out there as well.

http://www.antiochian.org/node/17905

There are voluminous examples of the uproar in the media regarding Dan Cathy's comments. I am sure you can use Google or any other search engine and see for yourself. The point is, Christian values are eroding at an alarming rate in this country and anyone who is the public eye, who stands up for Christ's commandments will be attacked. Whether you call those who attack them liberal, democrat, etc. these terms miss the mark. The spirit of the times we live in is attacking Christian morality at every opportunity it can. Let us pray that the Lord blesses those who resist this spirit and follow in the footsteps of Christ's commandments no matter what denomination they belong.

If only people would stand up for what they believe in without engaging in a culture war; as I've said before, war makes an abstraction out of human beings.

It would be great if there were no culture war, yet I do not see the war as something which can be ended easily.  The foundational views, even on what is truth, for the opposing groups are different, and when people of one belief stand up for what they believe is true, people of another disposition often see this action as a heinous attack on (or misuse of) freedom, an impediment to (or reversal of) progress, and so actively seek to stop the other side.

I agree that Christian values are eroding, yet I think it important to note that what is seen as Christian erosion by one side is Christian progress for the other.  Many churches which are "liberal" see themselves as true followers of Christ's commandments.  They focus much on the love and acceptance of Christ, and consider anti-homosexuality verses as coming from a less sophisticated society (which practiced slavery, the patriarchal subjugation of women, etc.) and so without application for today.          

[Marc1152]

I am increasingly puzzled by the notion that having a different opinion about something is being phobic or spiteful or oppressive.

Btw, my 85-yr-old mother and her 90-yr-old friend plan to eat at Chick-fil-A on Wednesday. Neither one is doing it to spite anyone.

Here is what I think is going on. If you uphold the Judeo Christian form of Marriage and oppose it's redefinition, you are ipso facto a bigot.

They are trying to tie any opposition to redefining marriage to the former Civil Rights Movements in this country.  The problem is that many people who fought for Civil Rights for Blacks also oppose re defining marriage. But that's the angle.

[augustin717]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 

http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

[Marc1152]

They can go to fill in the blanks for hat I care. We should first be outraged at the cra@'y salaries they probably pay their workers. Frankly I do not have a stronger antipathy for any other sort of businessmen than for thOse parading their supposed Christianity. As if it's possible to be Christian In any meaningful sense and be a billionaire or millionaire in the first place; hopefully the revolution will take care of this sort first.

What evidence do you have (assertion is not evidence) that CFA's employees receive crappy salaries/wages?  And if they are, why are you not donating your money to supplement their income?

BTW, I'm eating CFA right now. Mmm, mmm!

We had a parishioner who was a regional manager for them. She thought she had a good job. 

 

http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Chick-fil-A-Hourly-Pay-E5873.htm
That's where his values  are:$7. 65/h

I didnt see Regional Supervisor on that list. How does the pay there compare with McDonalds and Burger King?

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