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What is this work about? Why did Dionysius write it? How is this work viewed in the OO Communion? Did he believe the Armenians were un-Orthodox in faith? 

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Re: Dionysius Bar Salibi's Polemical Work "Against the Armenians"
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 04:03:11 PM »
What is this work about? Why did Dionysius write it? How is this work viewed in the OO Communion? Did he believe the Armenians were un-Orthodox in faith? Can this work be read online somewhere?

Link to a legal electronic copy:

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Vol. 1-4 reprinted from the Bulletin of the John Rylands Library, v. 11 (1927)-15 pt. 2 (1931)

Vol. 1. Barsalibi's Treatise against the Melchites; Genuine and Apocyphal works of Ignatius of Antioch; A Jeremiah Apocryphon; A new life of John the Baptist; Some uncanonical Psalms.- Vol. 2. Timothy's Apology for Christianity; The Lament of the Virgin; The Martyrdom of Pilot.- Vol. 3. Vision of Theophilus; Apocalypse of Peter.- Vol. 4. The work of Dionysius Barsalibi Against the Armenians.- Vol. 5. Commentary of Theodore of Mopsuestia on the Nicene Creed.- Vol. 6. Commentary of Theodore of Mopsuestia on the Lord's Prayer and on the Sacraments of Baptism and the Eucharist.- Vol. 7. Early Christian mystics

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Re: Dionysius Bar Salibi's Polemical Work "Against the Armenians"
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 04:21:19 PM »
Herre you go: https://www.escholar.manchester.ac.uk/api/datastream?publicationPid=uk-ac-man-scw:1m1295&datastreamId=POST-PEER-REVIEW-PUBLISHERS-DOCUMENT.PDF

The first 3 pages says what the whole thing is about.

Off topic but ah, geez...

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"The Armenians say : "From whom  do  you  descend-you  who are Syrians by race ?" - Against them we will say:

Neither  you  know  from  whom  you descend.  The  name "Armenian" is  derived from "Armenia" which  is  the  name  of  a country (and not  of  a  person). It is we  (Syrians)  who have  enlightened your  authors and  revealed  to them that  you  are descending from  Toganna, who was  from  the  children of Japhet. As to us Syrians we  descend racially from  Shem, and  our father is Kemuel son of Aram,'  and from this name of  Aram we are also called sometimes in the Books by the name of " Arameans." We are called "Syrians" after the name  of  "Syrus" who built  Antioch with its banlieue; and the country was called after him, "Syria."

Even then we didn't know where or how we got our name it looks like...

It sure wasn't from "Syrus who built Antioch".
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The Tur Abdin Timeline - A timeline of Tur Abdin (Syriac for "the Mountain of the Servants [of God]"), the heartland of the Syriac Orthodox Christians, a hilly region located in upper Mesopotamia, between the Tigris and Euphrates.

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Re: Dionysius Bar Salibi's Polemical Work "Against the Armenians"
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 12:55:57 AM »
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"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -Jesus Christ

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"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -Jesus Christ

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Lord, protect Egypt, Syria, Lebanon & Iraq.

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Re: Dionysius Bar Salibi's Polemical Work "Against the Armenians"
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 04:41:18 PM »
What are the opinions of the Armenian posters here on this polemical work?
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Re: Dionysius Bar Salibi's Polemical Work "Against the Armenians"
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2012, 08:01:52 PM »
I haven't been able to pull it up on my computer.  I don't know why.   

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2012, 09:17:10 PM »
I haven't been able to pull it up on my computer.  I don't know why.   

What seems to be the problem?
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Re: Dionysius Bar Salibi's Polemical Work "Against the Armenians"
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2012, 10:51:39 PM »
I guess it won't load, or something.  My computer has been slow lately and I guess I'm too lazy to take it to someone.   :)