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Offline Sorgoros

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Ancient Eastern Church "Greek" - heresy?
« on: July 24, 2012, 03:15:25 PM »
I have noticed that the 4 Apostolic Patriarchates are on the internet quite often referred to as "Greek Orthodox Churches". I was wondering, what is the justification of this i.e. is there any official documentation for such naming?

And more importantly, does this mean that it is an example of philetism?

Thanks in advance for everyone who can answer!

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Re: Ancient Eastern Church "Greek" - heresy?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 03:20:16 PM »
I have noticed that the 4 Apostolic Patriarchates are on the internet quite often referred to as "Greek Orthodox Churches". I was wondering, what is the justification of this i.e. is there any official documentation for such naming?

And more importantly, does this mean that it is an example of philetism?

Thanks in advance for everyone who can answer!

Reason 1: During the Turkokratia, the Phanar in Constantinople exported ethnically Greek bishops to Jerusalem, the Balkans, Antioch, and Alexandria.

Reason 2: In Arabic, for example, these patriarchates are known as "Roman Orthodox" patriarchates, because they were under the domain of the Eastern Roman Empire and later the Empire of Nicea and Kingdom of Constantinople before the Turks conquered those territories.

In the West, because the Eastern Roman Empire is known as "the Greeks/the Byzantines", they are often called "Greek Orthodox Patriarchates" (I.E. in English).
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Re: Ancient Eastern Church "Greek" - heresy?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 03:31:03 PM »
I have noticed that the 4 Apostolic Patriarchates are on the internet quite often referred to as "Greek Orthodox Churches". I was wondering, what is the justification of this i.e. is there any official documentation for such naming?

And more importantly, does this mean that it is an example of philetism?

Thanks in advance for everyone who can answer!

Reason 1: During the Turkokratia, the Phanar in Constantinople exported ethnically Greek bishops to Jerusalem, the Balkans, Antioch, and Alexandria.

Reason 2: In Arabic, for example, these patriarchates are known as "Roman Orthodox" patriarchates, because they were under the domain of the Eastern Roman Empire and later the Empire of Nicea and Kingdom of Constantinople before the Turks conquered those territories.

In the West, because the Eastern Roman Empire is known as "the Greeks/the Byzantines", they are often called "Greek Orthodox Patriarchates" (I.E. in English).

So, there is absolutely nothing official in that?

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Re: Ancient Eastern Church "Greek" - heresy?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 03:46:18 PM »
I have noticed that the 4 Apostolic Patriarchates are on the internet quite often referred to as "Greek Orthodox Churches". I was wondering, what is the justification of this i.e. is there any official documentation for such naming?

And more importantly, does this mean that it is an example of philetism?

Thanks in advance for everyone who can answer!

Reason 1: During the Turkokratia, the Phanar in Constantinople exported ethnically Greek bishops to Jerusalem, the Balkans, Antioch, and Alexandria.

Reason 2: In Arabic, for example, these patriarchates are known as "Roman Orthodox" patriarchates, because they were under the domain of the Eastern Roman Empire and later the Empire of Nicea and Kingdom of Constantinople before the Turks conquered those territories.

In the West, because the Eastern Roman Empire is known as "the Greeks/the Byzantines", they are often called "Greek Orthodox Patriarchates" (I.E. in English).

So, there is absolutely nothing official in that?
The Patriarchate of Antioch identifies itself on its seemingly-permanently-under-construction website as "Greek Orthodox Patriarchate Of Antioch And All The East", though it has been pointed out that in this case "Greek" is a substitute for "(Eastern) Roman". That name does serve to distinguish itself from other claimants of the title "Patriarch of Antioch" as explained in this article.

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Re: Ancient Eastern Church "Greek" - heresy?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 03:49:00 PM »
I have noticed that the 4 Apostolic Patriarchates are on the internet quite often referred to as "Greek Orthodox Churches". I was wondering, what is the justification of this i.e. is there any official documentation for such naming?

For hundreds of years, depending on the time and place, all Orthodox (including Russians, Serbians, etc) were called "Greeks" or part of the "Greek church" or "Greek Orthodox" or celebrants of the "Greek rite." That's how Westerners had referred to Orthodox since at least the 9th century, and, at various times, the Orthodox adopted the nomenclature as well. Hence why Metropolitan Platon of Moscow's book was translated into English in 1815 as "The Present State of the Greek Church in Russia."

When it comes to today's discourse on Internet, the patriarchates in question are called "Greek" because they follow "Greek," i.e. Byzantine liturgical traditions, as opposed to the other liturgical traditions that have evolved in Russia, Serbia, etc.
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