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« on: July 17, 2012, 09:07:12 AM »

In the USA there is a law against all forms of female circumcision performed on females under 18. When a female turns 18 she has the right to choose to get circumcised if she wants just as at that age she has the right to get a tattoo if she wants one. However the situation is different for men in America. Males can be forcibly circumcised against their will when they are infants, babies, and toddlers. The most common form of female circumcision practiced in the world is identitical to the form of male circumcision practiced in America. In this form of circumcision the prepuce is removed. Both males and females have a prepuce. In males this is known as the foreskin and in females this is known as the clitoral hood.

 The only way to achieve gender equality in America is through one of two avenues. Either female circumcision of female infants where the clitoral hood is removed should be made legal, therebye granting males and females equal genital protection under the law…. or male circumcision should be made illegal.

 I prefer if circumcision was illegal for both males and females until they turn 18 when they can decide on their own to get a body modification operation. If when a man turns 18 he decides he wants to have his foreskin removed then he should have the right to do that just as at that age he could decide to get a tattoo if he wants.

 There are more extreme forms of female circumcisions practiced however these are rare. However these forms of female circumcision are most often used as examples by activists who oppose female circumcision. However the form of circumcision where the clitoral hood is removed is barbaric enough to justify being made illegal(just as the form of circumcision where foreskin is removed should be made illegal).

 Similarly there are very extreme versions of male circumcision practiced in the world that are as brutal as those very extreme forms of female circumcision. It is so barbaric that I don’t feel comfortable describing although if you do a search with the words “australian aborigines circumcision” you will find information on it.

 Some activists oppose both male and female circumcision. Some activists only oppose female circumcision and this is a form of sexist bigotry.

 Opposition to male circumcision does not oppose religious freedom. In judaism there is a way of welcoming a baby boy in to the world called a Bris Shalom. This ritual does not involve circumcision and welcomes boys into the world without torturing them. If you have any doubt about circumcision being torture look up videos of baby boys being circumcised and watch the tears roll down their cheeks and their cries of pain and agony.

 There is also a jewish group opposed to circumcision called Jews Against Circumcision. At their websie you can learn about the ritual known as Bris Shalom.

 http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

 Similarly there is no circumcision requirement in islam. Although circumcision has grown to be associated with islam there is no requirement to be circumcised and so a man can be fully muslim without being circumcised.

 Other cultural groups which practice male circumcision are various tribes in Africa, although many tribes in Africa do not engage in circumcision. About half of all the men in Africa are circumcised. Africans, both males and females, have a right to determine what happens to their genitals. But the same is true for those of us in America. We are in the same boat as Africa when it comes to circumcision.

 Similarly about half of baby boys born today in America are circumcised, although the percentage did used to be higher. As people are learning about the pain such a ritual puts a boy through they opt out of it, especially since it is unnecessary and cruel.

 Outside of America and Africa male circumcisions generally only occur among religious groups that practice circumcision. The majority of men in the world are not circumcised.

 His body his choice.

 http://www.circumstitions.com/

 Some men who were circumcised at birth are resorting to non-surgical techniques to restore their foreskin. These techniques involve applying gentle pressure to the remaining skin on the penis over a extended period of time. This pressure encourages cell division to occur which results in stimulating the growth of skin. After about a period of six month the penis looks and functions like a penis that was never circumcised.

 If one wishes to learn about foreskin restoration one can visit this website.

 http://www.norm.org/regimen.html

 If one is interested in more specifics one can look here.

 http://www.norm.org/devices.html

 And for a forum to interact with people involved with restoration one should go here.

 http://foreskin-restoration.net/forum/index.php

 Another forum is here.

 http://www.restoringforeskin.org/

 And below is a link to the exact wording of the law that bans all forms of female circumcision however it does not include males under the same protections.

 http://mgmbill.org/usfgmlaw.htm
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 03:22:28 PM »

Well there is definitely a difference between male and female circumcision. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I know that female circumcision makes sexual enjoyment almost impossible for the female and actually agonizing painful her first time as her partner has to tear it open on penetration. So brutal. However, I would not be so sure about male circumcision--at least in its modern form. While it is definitely painful and a big decision, it is actually beneficial in some ways and could prevent future problems. One of these problems being tight foreskin or intercourse being painful for the male because his penis tip was too sensitive and wasn't used to having the foreskin pushed back when penetrating the vagina. Yeah, the man could have the circumcision done when he is an adult to fix these problems, but, I think that it will be a lot more miserable for the man to do this at an older age than if his parents just did it for him as a baby to save him the memory of the pain. I'm uncircumcised, but I personally wish that my parents had gotten me circumcised since the tip of my penis is extremely sensitive with the foreskin pulled back and I fear how this will affect me when I have intercourse for the first time.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 04:01:06 PM »

Well there is definitely a difference between male and female circumcision. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I know that female circumcision makes sexual enjoyment almost impossible for the female and actually agonizing painful her first time as her partner has to tear it open on penetration. So brutal. However, I would not be so sure about male circumcision--at least in its modern form. While it is definitely painful and a big decision, it is actually beneficial in some ways and could prevent future problems. One of these problems being tight foreskin or intercourse being painful for the male because his penis tip was too sensitive and wasn't used to having the foreskin pushed back when penetrating the vagina. Yeah, the man could have the circumcision done when he is an adult to fix these problems, but, I think that it will be a lot more miserable for the man to do this at an older age than if his parents just did it for him as a baby to save him the memory of the pain. I'm uncircumcised, but I personally wish that my parents had gotten me circumcised since the tip of my penis is extremely sensitive with the foreskin pulled back and I fear how this will affect me when I have intercourse for the first time.

There are different forms of female genital mutilation.  You are just mentioning the most drastic one.

As for your last concern...don't worry.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter as the topic of chopping people's junk up, male or female, makes me queasy...and not a lot of things out there make me queasy.  Maybe rotting stuff.  But other than those two...
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 04:04:01 PM »

Gender equality? What's that?
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 04:07:52 PM »

Similarly about half of baby boys born today in America are circumcised, although the percentage did used to be higher. As people are learning about the pain such a ritual puts a boy through they opt out of it, especially since it is unnecessary and cruel.

Only half? This is horrible news! What happened to giving guys pizzazz and personality?
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 04:40:58 PM »

Is there also a thread with a theological discussion on this issue? I cannot find one, and this is probably not the right place to post what St. Paul and the Church Fathers have to say on, or rather against that practice.
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