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Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« on: November 22, 2004, 05:06:51 PM »
Well this person has told me that "Orthodox" are in union with Eternal Rome.
http://p079.ezboard.com/flecatecombefrm7.showMessage?topicID=28.topic
Nota bene: Eternal Rome- This is the Rome of the last 2000 years- that is all the Dogma and doctrine that "Rome" has believed and taught in the last 2000 year such as The Trinity, the Incarnation, Filioque, Papal Infallibality, Immaculate Conception of MARY, and et cetera. Also this is waht the SSPX uses to justifiy its battle against modernists.  If an orthodox could better explain this,please do.

Oh yes, this poll is only for Orthodox- Pravoslawnie
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 05:15:35 PM »
A proper link would be nice.
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 07:33:20 PM »
Perhaps this is the forum Catholic Eagle was trying to link to:
http://p202.ezboard.com/btheyorkforum
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 07:43:45 PM »
Perhaps this is the forum Catholic Eagle was trying to link to:
http://p202.ezboard.com/btheyorkforum
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http://p079.ezboard.com/flecatacombefrm7
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 09:15:20 PM »
Is it the Rome of the past 2000 years, or the Rome of the past 2000 minus ~40 years?  "Eternal Rome" seems to be nothing more than a concept, and a lame one at that.  

Don't worry about "eternal Rome"; be in union with Christ.
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2004, 11:27:44 PM »
Is it the Rome of the past 2000 years, or the Rome of the past 2000 minus ~40 years?  "Eternal Rome" seems to be nothing more than a concept, and a lame one at that.  

Don't worry about "eternal Rome"; be in union with Christ.  
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2004, 03:07:19 AM »
We are in the new Jerusalem, what need have we for secular attachments to Rome?

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2004, 09:09:41 AM »
We are in the new Jerusalem, what need have we for secular attachments to Rome?

Or to Constantinople.

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 10:22:27 AM »
CatholicEagle:

The person who claimed that the Orthodox were in communion with Eternal Rome on that thread is a) not Orthodox and b) speaking hearsay.

Not only that, but the concept of "Eternal Rome" is a philosophical one.  The simple fact is that the Orthodox are not in communion with Rome, period.
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 10:25:52 AM »
Or to Constantinople.

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 10:28:00 AM »
Doesn't the phrase "Eternal Rome" pre-date Christianity by about 300 years? Seems like hyperbole from the days of the Republic.

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 11:49:13 AM »
The term "Eternal Rome" was used by the early "ceasars" of the Republic of Rome.  

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 03:25:37 PM »
Or to Constantinople.
Constantinople just happens to have a certain position by custom.  It's no more the head of the Church than Rome is.  Each local bishop sits on the throne of St. Peter.
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 04:13:33 PM »
Constantinople just happens to have a certain position by custom.  It's no more the head of the Church than Rome is.  Each local bishop sits on the throne of St. Peter.

They sit on the throne of the perticular Apostle they received Apostolic Succession from.  Peter does not have a monopoly on Apostolic Succession.

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 04:16:13 PM »
^That depends on who you ask.  St. Cyprian thought that he did, but gave it to all the bishops, rather than just the one at Rome; other saints would say otherwise.  Either way, each bishop is fundamentally equal.
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2004, 04:19:50 PM »
Either way, each bishop is fundamentally equal.

Agreed  :)

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2004, 05:24:26 PM »
CatholicEagle:

The person who claimed that the Orthodox were in communion with Eternal Rome on that thread is a) not Orthodox and b) speaking hearsay.

Not only that, but the concept of "Eternal Rome" is a philosophical one.  The simple fact is that the Orthodox are not in communion with Rome, period.  
This person said that Fr.John Matusiak of the OCA supported this.. and then he said  all Orthodox and Old Catholics support this theory.

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2004, 05:31:35 PM »
[This person said that Fr.John Matusiak of the OCA supported this.. and then he said  all Orthodox and Old Catholics support this theory.]

Perhaps either yourself or the person can get a confirmation from Fr Matusiak by emailing him at -

tocmed@hotmail.com

Explain the circumstances behind this claim

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2004, 05:35:32 PM »
i have already given a link to the website in the thread above. See for yourself

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2004, 06:40:37 PM »
Rome tragically fell away and became puffed up with pride, taking on all the trappings of a secular and ambituous power. One cannot be a Christian and a Papalist.
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2004, 07:27:57 PM »
Rome tragically fell away and became puffed up with pride, taking on all the trappings of a secular and ambituous power. One cannot be a Christian and a Papalist.
puffed up with pride and takings the secualr power's powers?
what is that supposted to mean?

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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2004, 08:58:58 PM »
Exactly what is says, CatholicEagle.........

The titles and pretensions of Rome need no setting out, others have already done that. The trappings of a secular power, even in its present reduced state include a bank, foreign service with diplomatic accreditation in many countries, an intelligence service, a gendarmarie, etc., etc. That is all the trappings of a state.

To borrow from the writing of Blessed Father Justin Popovich - which just happend to be on hand - "....Roman Catholicism or Protestantism, because the latter are forms of Christianity after the pattern of the proud European being, and not of the humble God-human being." (The Inward Mission of Our Church, in Divine Ascent, pages 21-27, Great Lent 1997).

The essay I have quoted from is not a polemic against Rome, or anyone else but a challenge to us, the Orthodox. Rome's pride has laid at the root of its every innovation and it's pretensions to universal 'jurisdiction' over all other churches throughout the world. To be a Christian is to answer the call to be showing all meekness unto all men (Titus, 3:2), the undertake the ascetic struggle following Christ's exhortation, be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father is perfect (Matthew, 5:48), following the precept They that are Christians have crucified the flesh together with the passion and lusts (Galatians, 5:24).

All this something very different from what Rome has become, she who produced so many martyrs, confessors and teachers. She was again and again a light shining in darkness has become the father and mother of the proud European mind-set, and quite distant from that mind-set of her early forbears.
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2004, 10:41:57 PM »
All this something very different from what Rome has become, she who produced so many martyrs, confessors and teachers. She was again and again a light shining in darkness has become the father and mother of the proud European mind-set, and quite distant from that mind-set of her early forbears.
Are you suggesting that there is something specifically "European" about pride, or that European civilization is more given to pride than any other?  'Cause I would have more than a little bit of a problem with that...
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2004, 10:59:30 PM »
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All this something very different from what Rome has become, she who produced so many martyrs, confessors and teachers. She was again and again a light shining in darkness has become the father and mother of the proud European mind-set, and quite distant from that mind-set of her early forbears.

So how do you explain the condition of modern-day Greece? Blame the Turks? Blame the West? Both? Neither?
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Re:Do you believe you are in Union with "Eternal" R
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2004, 01:10:17 PM »
I have something of crisis unravelling here, so will need to get back to this.
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