It’s fine with me to do this again here if you insist on making an issue over which thread I answer in.I’ll just re phrase it a little so I am not violating any forum rules about cross posting.
If you define “Murder” as the deliberate taking of a human life then of course, I think that is what an abortion is, the deliberate taking of a human life.
I accept on faith, that life begins at fertilization.
But as I have said a couple dozen times here, it is a very bad idea to use the term. Within the context today’s American Culture and Laws the accusation of murder quickly hits a logical dead end and therefore does nothing but cause confusion and probably turns people away from any further Pro Life message.
Here is why. If you insist on using that sort of language people will rightly ask for clarification. If it is murder, then which kind of murder?
In what may have been the worst thought out post yet, J Michael said it was “Manslaughter” or as he put it “Voluntary Manslaughter”. No it isn’t. Manslaughter is when you intend to wound or physically hurt someone but unexpectedly the wounding kills him. For example, if you beat someone up in order to rob them but they have a heart attack and die, that is Manslaughter.
No one goes to an abortionist and tells him just to “rough up” the fetus but not kill it. If it wasn’t so dark, this would be funny. But it shows you how poorly thought through J Michaels arguments are.
When you think about it, if abortion is murder, then it would have to be first degree murder. Murder in the first degree is like when a man kills his wife to collect on her life insurance. Either he does it himself or hires someone to kill her. That is first degree murder.
Abortion has all of the elements of first degree murder. It is intentional, planned out, a human life is taken and someone is hired to do the deed.
However, no sane person is willing to apply the penalties for first degree murder to women who have an abortion. Therefore, there must logically be some difference and here it is.
Not everyone agrees that a human life has been taken, maybe half the population at least .J Michael has said several times that people who don’t think abortion is murder are stupid. That is a big mistake. People are not stupid. An ordinarily prudent person can disagree on when life begins and not be crazy or a Nazi or stupid. In fact, if you look at a picture of a zygote it is understandable how a person could conclude that it is not yet fully human and that no human life is being taken.
In order to accept that a zygote is a fully human person with a “soul” you must accept several rather complicated religious doctrines that are not readily discernible on the face of it. They cant be seen or measured. They must be taken on faith.
I don’t think it is productive to call people murders. Hypothetically, if it could be shown (with studies and focus groups etc.) that using that language turned people off to the extent that it increased the rate of abortion by 10% would you find another way talk about it? I hope you would. The goal should be to reduce the rate of abortion and not drive people away.
Let me know if that is still not good enough..