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Offline Mor Ephrem

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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #180 on: January 10, 2014, 06:08:40 PM »
Look, James, this is not a more-downtrodden-than-thou contest. Straighten up and fly right, or give up and live without rules. Just quit whining and sniveling like a toddler who isn't getting his way.

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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #181 on: January 10, 2014, 06:10:11 PM »
James, keep in mind it is fair.  You will not be called into account for their souls.  You will be judged for your own.  If you want to screw around I will be the last to judge you, if that.  And don't do good because you are afraid of God's judgement.  Think about Christ's sacrifices in this world and if you think they were worth while then do good out of love for Him.  If you are anything like me you'll probably not even scratch the surface of paying Him back, but who cares?  It was better to have fought and lost than not have fought at all.
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #182 on: January 10, 2014, 06:11:31 PM »
If you really believe that, why talk so much about how unfair it is and instead just give it up?

Because then I'd be like the cradles.

But I thought you wanted to live like them.  Is it now beneath you to live like them?  

In an odd way, yeah.

It's a strange thing.

I want the freedom and fun, but at the same time, I don't want the dishonor and lack of dignity that I ascribe to cradles, because then I'd be a hypocrite.
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #183 on: January 10, 2014, 06:12:29 PM »
James, keep in mind it is fair.  You will not be called into account for their souls.  You will be judged for your own.  If you want to screw around I will be the last to judge you, if that.  And don't do good because you are afraid of God's judgement.  Think about Christ's sacrifices in this world and if you think they were worth while then do good out of love for Him.  If you are anything like me you'll probably not even scratch the surface of paying Him back, but who cares?  It was better to have fought and lost than not have fought at all.

I suppose it is better to stick with what I started. I'm not a man that changes his mind much.
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #184 on: January 10, 2014, 06:29:29 PM »
I wish I could just take a break from this Orthodoxy and live with no rules for at least a couple days; that'd be nice. It's unfair that the cradles can break all the rules and sin, but we converts are expected to be perfect.

Why can't you take a break?  Plenty of Orthodox, cradle and convert, do so, living with no rules for longer than one or two days (whether or not it's "nice").  Does your priest follow you around with a bamboo cane and beat you when you start breaking rules?  

Well he emails me whenever I miss Church

And my priest sends me text messages saying "We haven't seen you in a long time. We hope you will be with us again soon." He knows that i, like you, have non-Orthodox family and sometimes I need to leave the state to go visit them (like around Western Christmas/now). Are you sure you're not reading something into his concern that is more judgmental than he may mean it? Perhaps there are communication problems due to differing backgrounds, e.g., him not being an American teenager? :) I think it's good to give priests, and everybody, the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.

I mean...no priest or parishioner is perfect, but I have always assumed that abouna leaves the judgment for when I get back, and I have yet to be proven wrong.

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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #185 on: January 10, 2014, 07:19:31 PM »
If you really believe that, why talk so much about how unfair it is and instead just give it up?

Because then I'd be like the cradles.

But I thought you wanted to live like them.  Is it now beneath you to live like them?  

In an odd way, yeah.

It's a strange thing.

I want the freedom and fun, but at the same time, I don't want the dishonor and lack of dignity that I ascribe to cradles, because then I'd be a hypocrite.

It's not strange at all.  It's called pride. 
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #186 on: January 10, 2014, 07:23:44 PM »
If you really believe that, why talk so much about how unfair it is and instead just give it up?

Because then I'd be like the cradles.

But I thought you wanted to live like them.  Is it now beneath you to live like them?  

In an odd way, yeah.

It's a strange thing.

I want the freedom and fun, but at the same time, I don't want the dishonor and lack of dignity that I ascribe to cradles, because then I'd be a hypocrite.

It's not strange at all.  It's called pride. 
Or maybe just the struggle that all Christians deal with.
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #187 on: January 10, 2014, 07:25:25 PM »
Or maybe just the struggle that all Christians deal with.

Like I said, pride.  :)
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Of course, OC.net is not reflective of the Church, but is rather a surreal bubble. I have visited a lot of different parishes around the world and have listened to many hours of AFR...

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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #188 on: January 10, 2014, 07:40:01 PM »
I'm not a man that changes his mind much.

Aren't you?
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #189 on: January 11, 2014, 10:04:16 AM »
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #190 on: January 11, 2014, 02:56:31 PM »
If you really believe that, why talk so much about how unfair it is and instead just give it up?

Because then I'd be like the cradles.

But I thought you wanted to live like them.  Is it now beneath you to live like them?  

In an odd way, yeah.

It's a strange thing.

I want the freedom and fun, but at the same time, I don't want the dishonor and lack of dignity that I ascribe to cradles, because then I'd be a hypocrite.

It's not strange at all.  It's called pride. 
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #191 on: January 12, 2014, 05:44:27 PM »
Be a normal 18 year old American male, then come back when you are older and take the Orthodox thing seriously.


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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #192 on: January 12, 2014, 05:46:31 PM »
LOL!
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Re: Relationalships
« Reply #193 on: January 12, 2014, 11:00:44 PM »
Be a normal 18 year old American male, then come back when you are older and take the Orthodox thing seriously.



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