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« on: November 22, 2004, 02:19:01 PM »

Another rigged election, this time in Ukraine.  At this moment, 150,000 to 200,000 people are on the streets in Kiev protesting the fraud.

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Ukraine election rigged by Govt: top US observer
17:45, 22/11/2004, AFP


Senator Richard Lugar, the senior US observer of the Ukrainian presidential elections says that the incumbent Government helped rig the vote in favour of the pro-Moscow Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovich. "It is now apparent that a concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of governmental authorities," Mr Lugar, the chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told reporters.

"I believe that President (Leonid) Kuchma has the responsibility and the opportunity for producing, even at this point, an outcome which is fair and responsible."

With votes counted from 99.14 per cent of polling stations, Mr Yanukovich, had secured 49.42 per cent of the vote, compared with the 46.69 per cent of Western-leaning Opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko.

Mr Yushchenko has protested the results, which have also been condemned as undemocratic by observers from the Organisation of Security and Cooperation in Europe.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 03:22:48 PM »


I see that the pro UGCC  Yuschenko has lost.  Isn't he the one who was supposed to be the instrument that would pass laws favorable to the UGCC over the Orthodox & set the way for the establishment of a UGCC Patriarchate within Ukraine?   And start the eventual dismise of Orthodoxy in Ukraine?

From a post by a Ukrainian nationalist from the 'other' forum posted a few months ago .  It kind of says it all -

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 Here is the Here likely senario for the eventual establishment of a Patriarchate in Kyiv / Kiev:

(1) Elect a Ukrainian president who is pro-Greek Catholic Patriarchate in the 2004 elections (ie; Victor Yustchenko and his wife Katia who is a UGCC member).

(2) The UGCC hierarchy seeks support and immediate recognition by foreign churches for the Patriarchate when it is declared (ie: line them up).

(3) New Ukrainian president seeks support and immediate recognition by foreign governments for the new Patriarchate when it is declared.

(4) Once comprehensive support is attained, UGCC hierarchs declare a Patriarchate. Crowing takes place at St-Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv.

(5) UGCC hierarchs in tanden with Ukrainian government request official recognition by Vatican of Patriarchate.

(6) SUM (Ukrainian Youth Association) members chain themselves to Vatican Embassies around the world with 'protest camps' until Rome makes declaration official.

(7) Declaration is made by Rome.    
   
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Could it be that the Ukrainians aren't as pro Rome anti Russian  as some claim?  

Looks like the above scenaro will not happen in the near future by the will of the Ukrainian people.

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 04:11:47 PM »

It appears the will of the Ukrainian people may not be decided yet.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/22/cities.shtml

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/22/victory.shtml

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/11/22/rada.shtml
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 05:49:10 PM »

Orthodoc,

They're more pro-independence and pro-Ukrainian language and culture than anything else.  Except for the ethnic Russian populations residing mostly along the eastern border with Russia and the Crimea, the people of Ukraine don't want their country run from Moscow.  The religion issue isn't a factor in the politics, as far as I can tell.  Don't forget it was Kuchma who invited the Pope to Ukraine, and yet he's trying to get the vote rigged for his pro-Moscow prime minister.  (Caution: I'm not a Ukraine specialist.)  For myself, I'd rather not resort to vote fraud and a dictatorship because it favors my religion.  While I sympathize with the MP's efforts to ward off religious cranks pouring in from the West, they need to do so through legal, non-violent means rather than illegal ones, and they need to have greater respect for the cultural and political sensitivities of Ukraine and Belarus.

DeaconLance,

Yep, I'm following the events.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 06:54:05 PM »

Like Strelets this is not an area over which I have any real knowledge or expertise. Nevertheless I do feel cautious about jumping to conclusions having seen the manipulated breakup of Yugoslavia by the western powers.

After all tampering with elections and the electoral base is not confined to eastern Europe or the 'third' world.......................?

May the resolution be brought about by men and women of goodwill acting for the common good.
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